Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Eagles were not as invested in Hurts as we are in Trey. That story still isn't written yet either. They might've known what they had and Hurts screwed them with a fluke season. He won't always have the best Oline and all those weapons, so we'll see how it goes for them

Going into year 3, anything less than "Trey is the starter" means he has not lived up to expectations. The last pick in the draft (with a f**ked up elbow) should not take his place if he's meeting expectations behind the scenes (we know he's not on the field). I'd have more hope if they didn't bring Darnold in, but that gives you an idea of where Trey is at. They did not load up with a bust because they might need him for a SB run lol. The plan is to trade Trey and have Sam as the backup

If I read you correct your post implies, Eagles 'knew what they had' in Hurts, and it wasn't good. They put him out there as QB1 anyway. He has a 'fluke' season screwing Philly all the way to the SB. Eagles, who again don't really believe him, pay him record money.

something about the above feels off, maybe all of it

They have no choice now. They have a loaded roster, they can't just let him go and say "sorry guys" to the rest of their players.

Last year was a fluke year in my mind and I think he screwed them long term. Easy schedule and even easier playoffs for them. They'll be contenders as long as they are loaded, but Hurts isn't all that and you could tell the Eagles know this. They got screwed though

He was an MVP candidate……

Wonder if TL will screw us next by setting NFL records and a trip to the SB

I can promise you that would upset more than a couple who post in here. Why it would is anyone's guess.

Cam Newton went to a SB and won an MVP. Would you tie your franchise to him? I wouldn't

During the first 7 years of his career? I absolutely would have.

He was more intriguing than Hurts but with the hindsight of knowing he never developed into a passer he's an easy pass for me

We have 1 4k passing season as a franchise in like 80 years. Newton checked that off the list, year 1. He had 35 TD passes his MVP season. Imagine TL throwing for 4k, and 35 pass TDs, and how thrilled we would be.. you may be underselling Newton here.

He was really good, not saying he wasn't. I don't wanna tie my franchise to really good

Fantasy: I don't want really good I want elite HOF the next Brady/Mahomes
Reality: Sam Darnold is taking QB1 reps

we are tied to three question marks

I agree. We were stuck marching our team to it's own demise starting Trey because of our investment. It's a hard situation to get out of, and I even said I'd be stuck unless I had a Brock to save me.

Even if Brock doesn't become elite, saving us from wasting 5+ years on Trey was worth the last pick of the draft

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
You'd be wrong, of course. The reason Lance is doubted, or questioned, is because there hasn't been a return on the investment to this point (for a multitude of reasons). If he had played well, or showed real promise to the people you're talking about, they'd be excited. There isn't a resume, even a small one, of success people are rejecting here at this point.

On the other hand there are a small minority of fans who are willing to reject or doubt the success Purdy has had, and are willing to turn away from it because of their preconceived ideas about Lance. You see it here. You see it on twitter and other social media venues.

Clearly if Lance somehow had a Jalen Hurts like MVP caliber season no one would reject or doubt that. That'd be crazy.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Clearly if Lance somehow had a Jalen Hurts like MVP caliber season no one would reject or doubt that. That'd be crazy.

Agreed. Now I think there are some people out there who have ulterior motives, and would 'hate' Lance even if he had been successful to this point, but I don't think we see that here. I also think those types of accusations are bandied about too much just because there are real differences of opinion and different projections.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
He's a hell of a lot closer to biggest bust of all time than he is to future hofer.

Would be foolish to think anything else at this point.

Coaches have seen two years of practices with him and he only had to beat out average garapollo and 7th round rookie Brock. Plus he's gifted the leeway of huge draft capital spent on him and the sunk cost fallacy.

Sucks for him but Brock playing so good and him sitting so long he's probably done at this point. Look at what a year off lead to with Antonio brown and leveon bell. That's a hell of a lot more likely scenario that the Adrian Peterson one.

I wouldn't expect him to be markedly better or worse than darnold has been the last few years given they have performed similar in camp.

What's foolish is thinking there isn't a huge gap between biggest bust of all time and future HOFer or putting Trey into either extreme after 4 starts and before he turns 23 years old.

Eagles coaches saw 2 years worth of Jalen Hurts and a lot more attempts both in college and NFL and wanted to move on from him before this last season…almost like teams don't always know what they have? Nah couldn't be…

And the ridiculous year off comparison for Brown and Bell is way out there. Both guys switched teams they were on. One guy plays a position which sees players hit the wall suddenly all the time and the other was a headcase who kept getting suspended.

There is simply not enough information on Trey right now to make a judgment on him now. Simple as that. Anyone making statements about the kid like he's a proven bust or proven stud is just talking out their ass.

If you had to put your house on it right now, which way would you lean? That he's going to be a hall of fame QB or he's going to flame out?

Having to pick I'm definitely leaning towards the latter.

Reading between the starts and the lines if he was a superstar they would not have brought darnold in. He would have beat out Jimmy year one. He would be destroying darnold in camp right now.

It's a lot more uphill for him than downhill

Is this a joke? Of course I wouldn't pick him to be a HOFer considering the tiny % of players who get there. My whole point was there is a big middle ground of players who are neither. So why are we making bets on two extremes?

Thats like saying if you could bet your house on the Chiefs winning the SB next year or another team…as good as the Chiefs are the smart bet would be 31 other potential teams. And even that analogy isn't as crazy.

How about a bet whether he flames out or turns into a solid starting QB in the NfL?

Cuz I'm putting money on the later.

Originally posted by genus49:
Is this a joke? Of course I wouldn't pick him to be a HOFer considering the tiny % of players who get there. My whole point was there is a big middle ground of players who are neither. So why are we making bets on two extremes?

Thats like saying if you could bet your house on the Chiefs winning the SB next year or another team…as good as the Chiefs are the smart bet would be 31 other potential teams. And even that analogy isn't as crazy.

How about a bet whether he flames out or turns into a solid starting QB in the NfL?

Cuz I'm putting money on the later.

Define your terms, lol.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Agreed. Now I think there are some people out there who have ulterior motives, and would 'hate' Lance even if he had been successful to this point, but I don't think we see that here. I also think those types of accusations are bandied about too much just because there are real differences of opinion and different projections.

Um clearly Charlie would because he's doing it with Hurts. What did you think slc was responding to in the quote you quoted?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Um clearly Charlie would because he's doing it with Hurts. What did you think slc was responding to in the quote you quoted?

Lol, how did I know this was where you were going.

He is doubting Hurts, but isn't that in the context of paying him a huge money deal after one season of great production? And he also indicated that they essentially have to do it, and that he would have done the same in relation to the other comparison we saw (Cam Newton).

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Lol, how did I know this was where you were going.

He is doubting Hurts, but isn't that in the context of paying him a huge money deal after one season of great production? And he also indicated that they essentially have to do it, and that he would have done the same in relation to the other comparison we saw (Cam Newton).

Calling something a fluke doesn't suggest credit is being given. He'd absolutely be saying the same thing if it was Lance.

Far better chance Purdy can win NY over. Think NY would call a full Purdy MVP calibur season a fluke?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Calling something a fluke doesn't suggest credit is being given. He'd absolutely be saying the same thing if it was Lance.

Far better chance Purdy can win NY over. Think NY would call a full Purdy MVP calibur season a fluke?

He's not convinced enough on Hurts to give him a huge payday.

Further, I'll point out to you that SLC didn't use the term doubt. I did. I was trying to explain to SLC that the 'negative' opinions he sees on Trey Lance, from the people who post here, aren't based around personal dislike, which is what was implied in his post.

Heres what he said:

'I can promise you that would upset more than a couple who post in here. Why it would is anyone's guess.'

Now I understand that you can't stop yourself from looking for a pathetic gotcha, but hopefully you understand there is a difference between being 'upset' about success, and having doubt that success is sustainable (which is what CS is relaying in regards to Hurts.)

Nobody here has demonstrated they would be 'upset' if Lance had success. The people who think that (SLC in this case) don't accept differences of opinion about what Lance has been to this point, and what he will be going forward.

I really like our QB's, I think we are in a situation where we have 2 and maybe 3 capable QB's.

but we will see, we have t had a good QB in quite a while.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
I can promise you that would upset more than a couple who post in here. Why it would is anyone's guess.

You'd be wrong, of course. The reason Lance is doubted, or questioned, is because there hasn't been a return on the investment to this point (for a multitude of reasons). If he had played well, or showed real promise to the people you're talking about, they'd be excited. There isn't a resume, even a small one, of success people are rejecting here at this point.

On the other hand there are a small minority of fans who are willing to reject or doubt the success Purdy has had, and are willing to turn away from it because of their preconceived ideas about Lance. You see it here. You see it on twitter and other social media venues.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
He's not convinced enough on Hurts to give him a huge payday.

Further, I'll point out to you that SLC didn't use the term doubt. I did. I was trying to explain to SLC that the 'negative' opinions he sees on Trey Lance, from the people who post here, aren't based around personal dislike, which is what was implied in his post.

Heres what he said:

'I can promise you that would upset more than a couple who post in here. Why it would is anyone's guess.'

Now I understand that you can't stop yourself from looking for a pathetic gotcha, but hopefully you understand there is a difference between being 'upset' about success, and having doubt that success is sustainable (which is what CS is relaying in regards to Hurts.)

Nobody here has demonstrated they would be 'upset' if Lance had success. The people who think that (SLC in this case) don't accept differences of opinion about what Lance has been to this point, and what he will be going forward.

If he can't give Hurts credit he wouldn't give Lance. It's clear as day to everyone but you.

You don't call what Hurts did a fluke if you thought it was impressive. Clearly he thinks he's not very good and the team made him better than he was.

Cue condescending passive aggressive response. That's your shtick

Originally posted by genus49:
Is this a joke? Of course I wouldn't pick him to be a HOFer considering the tiny % of players who get there. My whole point was there is a big middle ground of players who are neither. So why are we making bets on two extremes?

Thats like saying if you could bet your house on the Chiefs winning the SB next year or another team…as good as the Chiefs are the smart bet would be 31 other potential teams. And even that analogy isn't as crazy.

How about a bet whether he flames out or turns into a solid starting QB in the NfL?

Cuz I'm putting money on the later.

i can't help but notice that the optimistic side of your bet is that one day he reaches Jimmy G tier

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i can't help but notice that the optimistic side of your bet is that one day he reaches Jimmy G tier

Which would be a disappointment considering the price tag given up to get him. Kinda like paying top 5 money for it.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
If they can't give Hurts credit they wouldn't give Lance. It's clear as day to everyone but you.

You don't call what Hurts did a fluke if you thought it was impressive. Clearly he thinks he's not very good and the team made him better than he was.

Cue condescending passive aggressive response. That's your shtick

Again, you seem to not be able to differentiate 'doubt'… which is what I said… versus 'upset', which is what SLC said. And the doubt was in the context of paying a huge money deal after one year of success. Nothing indicates CS would he upset if Trey took the 49ers to the Super Bowl this year.

'Clearly if Lance somehow had a Jalen Hurts like MVP caliber season no one would reject or doubt that. That'd be crazy.'

When you make a post like the one quoted above, you have no room to talk about passive aggressive responses. A non passive aggressive post would have just stated that CS would doubt Lance, just as he did Hurts. Not this indirect BS. Grow up.