Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Again, you seem to not be able to differentiate 'doubt'… which is what I said… versus 'upset', which is what SLC said. And the doubt was in the context of paying a huge money deal after one year of success. Nothing indicates CS would he upset if Trey took the 49ers to the Super Bowl this year.

'Clearly if Lance somehow had a Jalen Hurts like MVP caliber season no one would reject or doubt that. That'd be crazy.'

When you make a post like the one quoted above, you have no room to talk about passive aggressive responses. A non passive aggressive post would have just stated that CS would doubt Lance, just as he did Hurts. Not this indirect BS. Grow up.

Oh you mean like saying "some fans" when you clearly mean NY. Hence the response.

The glass house is full of stones. Take your own advice.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Oh you mean like saying "some fans" when you clearly mean NY. Hence the response.

The glass house is full of stones. Take your own advice.

I'm not here to call out posters individually. That's your deal.

Keep in mind I didn't throw out the passive aggressive accusation. That was you. And you're passive aggressive constantly. You can see that I didn't post some indirect criticism of a poster, or handful of posters, only to name drop a poster in the next couple of responses. You did however. It was another failed gotcha attempt.

I responded to SLC's post, and your own, on the merits.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I'm not here to call out posters individually. That's your deal.

Keep in mind I didn't throw out the passive aggressive accusation. That was you. And you're passive aggressive constantly. You can see that I didn't post some indirect criticism of a poster, or handful of posters, only to name drop a poster in the next couple of responses. You did however. It was another failed gotcha attempt.

I responded to SLC's post, and your own, on the merits.

Oh I don't deny my post was passive aggressive. Because it was a response to yours being passive aggressive. Condescension and passive aggressive is your shtick.

UR GRANMA PLAYS HOARDERBACK

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Oh I don't deny my post was passive aggressive. Because it was a response to yours being passive aggressive. Condescension and passive aggressive is your shtick.

Well here's a clue where you went wrong: I wasn't referring to NY individually. Is he in the general group of fans I was talking about? I think he is. So are other posters, and then more people on other outlets… exactly as I mentioned.

The point of the response being there's actually evidence there are fans who will react unfavorably to the success of a player on this team, just not in the direction SLC was stating (at least on this board). People doubt Trey. Don't think he'll be successful. Don't like what they've seen. But there isn't any real evidence here that posters will be upset if he's good.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
People doubt Trey. Don't think he'll be successful. Don't like what they've seen. But there isn't any real evidence here that posters will be upset if he's good.

And if there is evidence, they're entitled to hate whomever they like anyway. Does that pretty much cover this topic or is it still ongoing?

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
I can promise you that would upset more than a couple who post in here. Why it would is anyone's guess.

You'd be wrong, of course. The reason Lance is doubted, or questioned, is because there hasn't been a return on the investment to this point (for a multitude of reasons). If he had played well, or showed real promise to the people you're talking about, they'd be excited. There isn't a resume, even a small one, of success people are rejecting here at this point.

On the other hand there are a small minority of fans who are willing to reject or doubt the success Purdy has had, and are willing to turn away from it because of their preconceived ideas about Lance. You see it here. You see it on twitter and other social media venues.

Yeah, if Lance gets it together - that's would be great. Then we let him and Purdy duke it out. Whoever Kyle thinks is the best man, would start. Then hopefully we would win as fans.

it's okay to have hope and a belief that Trey can become something special, I have no issue with that even though I don't feel that way. It's just strange to me how some think he's played great at times and/or been showing great stuff in practices/camp. When everyone and their mother knows that hasn't been the case. It's literally to the point where the team is making him compete with a former bust with reps, instead of giving Lance all the first team reps while Purdy is rehabbing.

it's strange, it's like Lance can do no wrong in some eyes. Nothing is his fault, and his play has been wonderful. Lol

I'm actually hoping that Trey comes into camp, after some more time with his QB coach, and look good enough to where he gets all the first team reps instead of sharing them . That would be ideal and mean he's on the right track to start challenging Purdy.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah, if Lance gets it together - that's would be great. Then we let him and Purdy duke it out. Whoever Kyle thinks is the best man, would start. Then hopefully we would win as fans.

it's okay to have hope and a belief that Trey can become something special, I have no issue with that even though I don't feel that way. It's just strange to me how some think he's played great at times and/or been showing great stuff in practices/camp. When everyone and their mother knows that hasn't been the case. It's literally to the point where the team is making him compete with a former bust with reps, instead of giving Lance all the first team reps while Purdy is rehabbing.

it's strange, it's like Lance can do no wrong in some eyes. Nothing is his fault, and his play has been wonderful. Lol

I'm actually hoping that Trey comes into camp, after some more time with his QB coach, and look good enough to where he gets all the first team reps instead of sharing them . That would be ideal and mean he's on the right track to start challenging Purdy.

I also don't think there's anything wrong making a substantive counter argument if you did think he showed promise or played well. There's people here that do that. It's a lot more productive than pretending a disagreeable argument is born from feelings or personal bias.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
People doubt Trey. Don't think he'll be successful. Don't like what they've seen. But there isn't any real evidence here that posters will be upset if he's good.

And if there is evidence, they're entitled to hate whomever they like anyway. Does that pretty much cover this topic or is it still ongoing?

I don't think I have seen anyone attack his character or work ethic or anything like that.

The product has been disappointing and it's hard to be optimistic off what we have seen so far and heard from the practice reviews.

It's really not his fault where he was drafted though so most of that is lynch and shanahan fault.

Shanahan can do no wrong though here. He's like the Messiah.

No matter how it turns out the kid is set for life if he manages his money okay so he's winning in that aspect.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
I don't think I have seen anyone attack his character or work ethic or anything like that.

The product has been disappointing and it's hard to be optimistic off what we have seen so far and heard from the practice reviews.

It's really not his fault where he was drafted though so most of that is lynch and shanahan fault.

Having one of the top rosters in the league is Shanahan and Lynch's fault, so that's a wash right away.

Beyond that,...I dont think anyone is trying to force others to be optimistic. The need to be optimistic simply isin't there, as the season hasn't started and he hasn't been handed any starting job or anything.

Just what he or can be as a player is largely conjecture, however, with little evidence given because we have exactly that -- little.

We can string this out for weeks and weeks but it would be nice to see others recognize that there's virtually no progress possible in "proving" what hasn't been observable.

Some feel like they're making "points",...lol....but there are no real points to be made. They're just finding different, crafty ways to remind us that they don't think he's the guy for the team over and over. No idea why, as they same several posters have been telling us for weeks, month even, they Lance isin't their choice.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I'm not here to call out posters individually. That's your deal.

Keep in mind I didn't throw out the passive aggressive accusation. That was you. And you're passive aggressive constantly. You can see that I didn't post some indirect criticism of a poster, or handful of posters, only to name drop a poster in the next couple of responses. You did however. It was another failed gotcha attempt.

I responded to SLC's post, and your own, on the merits.

Oh I don't deny my post was passive aggressive. Because it was a response to yours being passive aggressive. Condescension and passive aggressive is your shtick.

Originally posted by random49er:
Having one of the top rosters in the league is Shanahan and Lynch's fault, so that's a wash right away.

Beyond that,...I dont think anyone is trying to force others to be optimistic. The need to be optimistic simply isin't there, as the season hasn't started and he hasn't been handed any starting job or anything.

Just what he or can be as a player is largely conjecture, however, with little evidence given because we have exactly that -- little.

We can string this out for weeks and weeks but it would be nice to see others recognize that there's virtually no progress possible in "proving" what hasn't been observable.

Some feel like they're making "points",...lol....but there are no real points to be made. They're just finding different, crafty ways to remind us that they don't think he's the guy for the team over and over. No idea why, as they same several posters have been telling us for weeks, month even, they Lance isin't their choice.

I don't disagree with a lot of what you're saying here, but another side of the argument in these threads is how the team is positioning itself, and what their plans are. There's plenty of observable evidence in that context. It's not just people arguing their personal preferences at the position.

There's going to continue to be new tidbits of information and developments in that department through all preseason activities and likely into the season as well.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
I don't think I have seen anyone attack his character or work ethic or anything like that.

The product has been disappointing and it's hard to be optimistic off what we have seen so far and heard from the practice reviews.

It's really not his fault where he was drafted though so most of that is lynch and shanahan fault.

Shanahan can do no wrong though here. He's like the Messiah.

No matter how it turns out the kid is set for life if he manages his money okay so he's winning in that aspect.

Absolutely, I give TL all the credit in the world for playing the predraft hand he was dealt, he played it extremely well and made bank.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
Is this a joke? Of course I wouldn't pick him to be a HOFer considering the tiny % of players who get there. My whole point was there is a big middle ground of players who are neither. So why are we making bets on two extremes?

Thats like saying if you could bet your house on the Chiefs winning the SB next year or another team…as good as the Chiefs are the smart bet would be 31 other potential teams. And even that analogy isn't as crazy.

How about a bet whether he flames out or turns into a solid starting QB in the NfL?

Cuz I'm putting money on the later.

i can't help but notice that the optimistic side of your bet is that one day he reaches Jimmy G tier

There is a reason I don't bet on players, this is a hypothetical discussion and my point was simple - there is a LARGE gap between the two extremes he provided.

But obviously I'd be stupid to make a bet that Trey would turn into an elite QB right now, which takes me back to my other point 4 games is too little a sample size to know what a player will or will not be.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
Is this a joke? Of course I wouldn't pick him to be a HOFer considering the tiny % of players who get there. My whole point was there is a big middle ground of players who are neither. So why are we making bets on two extremes?

Thats like saying if you could bet your house on the Chiefs winning the SB next year or another team…as good as the Chiefs are the smart bet would be 31 other potential teams. And even that analogy isn't as crazy.

How about a bet whether he flames out or turns into a solid starting QB in the NfL?

Cuz I'm putting money on the later.

i can't help but notice that the optimistic side of your bet is that one day he reaches Jimmy G tier

There is a reason I don't bet on players, this is a hypothetical discussion and my point was simple - there is a LARGE gap between the two extremes he provided.

But obviously I'd be stupid to make a bet that Trey would turn into an elite QB right now, which takes me back to my other point 4 games is too little a sample size to know what a player will or will not be.

It just struck me as odd as we burn three ones to hopefully have a guy on the level of the prior guy.

I prefer more bets, rather than one big bet, we made one very big bet on TL, as a club. If you look at NE, they got Mac, and also Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez. They kept all their ones, and the blowback is a lot less impactful if Mac doesn't work out, cuz they at least have Strange and this CB who maybe will be really good.