Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
It just struck me as odd as we burn three ones to hopefully have a guy on the level of the prior guy.

I prefer more bets, rather than one big bet, we made one very big bet on TL, as a club. If you look at NE, they got Mac, and also Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez. They kept all their ones, and the blowback is a lot less impactful if Mac doesn't work out, cuz they at least have Strange and this CB who maybe will be really good.

Wait, are you saying they spent 3 1st rounders to simply get another jimmy?

Are you also saying you wish they didn't draft Trey?

I find you post odd.

Originally posted by genus49:
There is a reason I don't bet on players, this is a hypothetical discussion and my point was simple - there is a LARGE gap between the two extremes he provided.

But obviously I'd be stupid to make a bet that Trey would turn into an elite QB right now, which takes me back to my other point 4 games is too little a sample size to know what a player will or will not be.

There's a reason for me to question whether Trey can develop because I haven't seen him do it. On the other hand, I still have some doubts about Purdy even though I did see him do it. Being successful for a few games is common in the NFL. Doing it year after year is not. I liked what I saw from Purdy but it was only 7 or 8 games. The last 2 were pretty average. Maybe he can come back from surgery and be just as good or even better but he could also regress. At the same time Trey could figure things out and all that athleticism could come out and he could be really good.

At this point I'm keeping an open mind for each of them. I've watched football for too long to get overly excited after a few games. If either one of them is playing well 2 or 3 years from now, then I'll be convinced.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
Is this a joke? Of course I wouldn't pick him to be a HOFer considering the tiny % of players who get there. My whole point was there is a big middle ground of players who are neither. So why are we making bets on two extremes?

Thats like saying if you could bet your house on the Chiefs winning the SB next year or another team…as good as the Chiefs are the smart bet would be 31 other potential teams. And even that analogy isn't as crazy.

How about a bet whether he flames out or turns into a solid starting QB in the NfL?

Cuz I'm putting money on the later.

i can't help but notice that the optimistic side of your bet is that one day he reaches Jimmy G tier

There is a reason I don't bet on players, this is a hypothetical discussion and my point was simple - there is a LARGE gap between the two extremes he provided.

But obviously I'd be stupid to make a bet that Trey would turn into an elite QB right now, which takes me back to my other point 4 games is too little a sample size to know what a player will or will not be.

It just struck me as odd as we burn three ones to hopefully have a guy on the level of the prior guy.

I prefer more bets, rather than one big bet, we made one very big bet on TL, as a club. If you look at NE, they got Mac, and also Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez. They kept all their ones, and the blowback is a lot less impactful if Mac doesn't work out, cuz they at least have Strange and this CB who maybe will be really good.

Dude my points were pretty clear, why are you taking them somewhere else?

I never said Lance will be Jimmy G level. I was simply arguing his point with using extremes and countered with a more realistic analogy.

Trey will never be Jimmy. He'll either be worse or he'll be better. His physical abilities alone prevent him from being Jimmy like.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by genus49:
There is a reason I don't bet on players, this is a hypothetical discussion and my point was simple - there is a LARGE gap between the two extremes he provided.

But obviously I'd be stupid to make a bet that Trey would turn into an elite QB right now, which takes me back to my other point 4 games is too little a sample size to know what a player will or will not be.

There's a reason for me to question whether Trey can develop because I haven't seen him do it. On the other hand, I still have some doubts about Purdy even though I did see him do it. Being successful for a few games is common in the NFL. Doing it year after year is not. I liked what I saw from Purdy but it was only 7 or 8 games. The last 2 were pretty average. Maybe he can come back from surgery and be just as good or even better but he could also regress. At the same time Trey could figure things out and all that athleticism could come out and he could be really good.

At this point I'm keeping an open mind for each of them. I've watched football for too long to get overly excited after a few games. If either one of them is playing well 2 or 3 years from now, then I'll be convinced.

Exactly. I love both guys and I hope one or better yet both of them manage to show us and other teams they're franchise QBs(cuz it means we can ship one off for a serious return) but right now 8 or 4 games is too small a sample size to go all in on.

Lucky for us neither Brock nor Trey has to get paid after this season like was the Jimmy G situation. So whether Brock or Trey one of, if not both of them, will get a chance to show what they can do on a larger scale and don't cost big $ to keep.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
Is this a joke? Of course I wouldn't pick him to be a HOFer considering the tiny % of players who get there. My whole point was there is a big middle ground of players who are neither. So why are we making bets on two extremes?

Thats like saying if you could bet your house on the Chiefs winning the SB next year or another team…as good as the Chiefs are the smart bet would be 31 other potential teams. And even that analogy isn't as crazy.

How about a bet whether he flames out or turns into a solid starting QB in the NfL?

Cuz I'm putting money on the later.

i can't help but notice that the optimistic side of your bet is that one day he reaches Jimmy G tier

There is a reason I don't bet on players, this is a hypothetical discussion and my point was simple - there is a LARGE gap between the two extremes he provided.

But obviously I'd be stupid to make a bet that Trey would turn into an elite QB right now, which takes me back to my other point 4 games is too little a sample size to know what a player will or will not be.

It just struck me as odd as we burn three ones to hopefully have a guy on the level of the prior guy.

I prefer more bets, rather than one big bet, we made one very big bet on TL, as a club. If you look at NE, they got Mac, and also Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez. They kept all their ones, and the blowback is a lot less impactful if Mac doesn't work out, cuz they at least have Strange and this CB who maybe will be really good.

Dude my points were pretty clear, why are you taking them somewhere else?

I never said Lance will be Jimmy G level. I was simply arguing his point with using extremes and countered with a more realistic analogy.

Trey will never be Jimmy. He'll either be worse or he'll be better. His physical abilities alone prevent him from being Jimmy like.

I'm not talking JG style of play, but more JG tier of play, you mentioned TL one day reaching solid NFL starter, which to me is JGs tier. He will surely have to go beyond that to justify the pick. But I agree with you one step at a time here. Maybe get to that level first, and onward and upward. Were you a fan of this move up, prior to the selection? Just talking the trade of picks.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
It just struck me as odd as we burn three ones to hopefully have a guy on the level of the prior guy.

I prefer more bets, rather than one big bet, we made one very big bet on TL, as a club. If you look at NE, they got Mac, and also Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez. They kept all their ones, and the blowback is a lot less impactful if Mac doesn't work out, cuz they at least have Strange and this CB who maybe will be really good.

Just struck you? I've been saying this for many many months. Peole are hoping that he can at least get to JGs level. All the while there are some that questions the one that played better than JG.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
It just struck me as odd as we burn three ones to hopefully have a guy on the level of the prior guy.

I prefer more bets, rather than one big bet, we made one very big bet on TL, as a club. If you look at NE, they got Mac, and also Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez. They kept all their ones, and the blowback is a lot less impactful if Mac doesn't work out, cuz they at least have Strange and this CB who maybe will be really good.

Just struck you? I've been saying this for many many months. Peole are hoping that he can at least get to JGs level. All the while there are some that questions the one that played better than JG.

True

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
It just struck me as odd as we burn three ones to hopefully have a guy on the level of the prior guy.

I prefer more bets, rather than one big bet, we made one very big bet on TL, as a club. If you look at NE, they got Mac, and also Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez. They kept all their ones, and the blowback is a lot less impactful if Mac doesn't work out, cuz they at least have Strange and this CB who maybe will be really good.

And yet the 9ers have a guy who has at least shown glimpses of elite play in a small sample while New England has a guy who needs to be carried to wins because his sklllset is weak and has no real upside. Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez won't make up for that. No Pat fan will be ok with Mac not working out because they have a starting nfl guard and possible solid cornerback. Only way it doesn't blow back if Mac fails is if Bailey Zappe is Brock 2.0.

The big bet the team can't miss on is giving huge money to Brock or Trey down the line.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
It just struck me as odd as we burn three ones to hopefully have a guy on the level of the prior guy.

I prefer more bets, rather than one big bet, we made one very big bet on TL, as a club. If you look at NE, they got Mac, and also Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez. They kept all their ones, and the blowback is a lot less impactful if Mac doesn't work out, cuz they at least have Strange and this CB who maybe will be really good.

And yet the 9ers have a guy who has at least shown glimpses of elite play in a small sample while New England has a guy who needs to be carried to wins because his sklllset is weak and has no real upside. Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez won't make up for that. No Pat fan will be ok with Mac not working out because they have a starting nfl guard and possible solid cornerback. Only way it doesn't blow back if Mac fails is if Bailey Zappe is Brock 2.0.

The big bet the team can't miss on is giving huge money to Brock or Trey down the line.

What he's saying is Mac Jones for one pick > Trey Lance for three picks. I don't see how anyone could disagree with this, up until this point anyway.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
It just struck me as odd as we burn three ones to hopefully have a guy on the level of the prior guy.

I prefer more bets, rather than one big bet, we made one very big bet on TL, as a club. If you look at NE, they got Mac, and also Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez. They kept all their ones, and the blowback is a lot less impactful if Mac doesn't work out, cuz they at least have Strange and this CB who maybe will be really good.

And yet the 9ers have a guy who has at least shown glimpses of elite play in a small sample while New England has a guy who needs to be carried to wins because his sklllset is weak and has no real upside. Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez won't make up for that. No Pat fan will be ok with Mac not working out because they have a starting nfl guard and possible solid cornerback. Only way it doesn't blow back if Mac fails is if Bailey Zappe is Brock 2.0.

The big bet the team can't miss on is giving huge money to Brock or Trey down the line.

What he's saying is Mac Jones for one pick > Trey Lance for three picks. I don't see how anyone could disagree with this, up until this point anyway.

you miss every shot you don't take.. drafting Mac is not taking a shot

We gambled and it hasn't worked out, so far

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
It just struck me as odd as we burn three ones to hopefully have a guy on the level of the prior guy.

I prefer more bets, rather than one big bet, we made one very big bet on TL, as a club. If you look at NE, they got Mac, and also Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez. They kept all their ones, and the blowback is a lot less impactful if Mac doesn't work out, cuz they at least have Strange and this CB who maybe will be really good.

And yet the 9ers have a guy who has at least shown glimpses of elite play in a small sample while New England has a guy who needs to be carried to wins because his sklllset is weak and has no real upside. Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez won't make up for that. No Pat fan will be ok with Mac not working out because they have a starting nfl guard and possible solid cornerback. Only way it doesn't blow back if Mac fails is if Bailey Zappe is Brock 2.0.

The big bet the team can't miss on is giving huge money to Brock or Trey down the line.

What he's saying is Mac Jones for one pick > Trey Lance for three picks. I don't see how anyone could disagree with this, up until this point anyway.

you miss every shot you don't take.. drafting Mac is not taking a shot

We gambled and it hasn't worked out, so far

Again, Faithful's point is he prefers to have multiple "shots" rather than just one. I agree. Moving up in the first round (or at all) doesn't work out very often.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
It just struck me as odd as we burn three ones to hopefully have a guy on the level of the prior guy.

I prefer more bets, rather than one big bet, we made one very big bet on TL, as a club. If you look at NE, they got Mac, and also Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez. They kept all their ones, and the blowback is a lot less impactful if Mac doesn't work out, cuz they at least have Strange and this CB who maybe will be really good.

And yet the 9ers have a guy who has at least shown glimpses of elite play in a small sample while New England has a guy who needs to be carried to wins because his sklllset is weak and has no real upside. Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez won't make up for that. No Pat fan will be ok with Mac not working out because they have a starting nfl guard and possible solid cornerback. Only way it doesn't blow back if Mac fails is if Bailey Zappe is Brock 2.0.

The big bet the team can't miss on is giving huge money to Brock or Trey down the line.

What he's saying is Mac Jones for one pick > Trey Lance for three picks. I don't see how anyone could disagree with this, up until this point anyway.

you miss every shot you don't take.. drafting Mac is not taking a shot

We gambled and it hasn't worked out, so far

Again, Faithful's point is he prefers to have multiple "shots" rather than just one. I agree. Moving up in the first round (or at all) doesn't work out very often.

I have a feeling you might have to repeat this a couple more times lol

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
It just struck me as odd as we burn three ones to hopefully have a guy on the level of the prior guy.

I prefer more bets, rather than one big bet, we made one very big bet on TL, as a club. If you look at NE, they got Mac, and also Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez. They kept all their ones, and the blowback is a lot less impactful if Mac doesn't work out, cuz they at least have Strange and this CB who maybe will be really good.

And yet the 9ers have a guy who has at least shown glimpses of elite play in a small sample while New England has a guy who needs to be carried to wins because his sklllset is weak and has no real upside. Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez won't make up for that. No Pat fan will be ok with Mac not working out because they have a starting nfl guard and possible solid cornerback. Only way it doesn't blow back if Mac fails is if Bailey Zappe is Brock 2.0.

The big bet the team can't miss on is giving huge money to Brock or Trey down the line.

What he's saying is Mac Jones for one pick > Trey Lance for three picks. I don't see how anyone could disagree with this, up until this point anyway.

you miss every shot you don't take.. drafting Mac is not taking a shot

We gambled and it hasn't worked out, so far

Again, Faithful's point is he prefers to have multiple "shots" rather than just one. I agree. Moving up in the first round (or at all) doesn't work out very often.

Yup

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
It just struck me as odd as we burn three ones to hopefully have a guy on the level of the prior guy.

I prefer more bets, rather than one big bet, we made one very big bet on TL, as a club. If you look at NE, they got Mac, and also Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez. They kept all their ones, and the blowback is a lot less impactful if Mac doesn't work out, cuz they at least have Strange and this CB who maybe will be really good.

And yet the 9ers have a guy who has at least shown glimpses of elite play in a small sample while New England has a guy who needs to be carried to wins because his sklllset is weak and has no real upside. Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez won't make up for that. No Pat fan will be ok with Mac not working out because they have a starting nfl guard and possible solid cornerback. Only way it doesn't blow back if Mac fails is if Bailey Zappe is Brock 2.0.

The big bet the team can't miss on is giving huge money to Brock or Trey down the line.

What he's saying is Mac Jones for one pick > Trey Lance for three picks. I don't see how anyone could disagree with this, up until this point anyway.

you miss every shot you don't take.. drafting Mac is not taking a shot

We gambled and it hasn't worked out, so far

Again, Faithful's point is he prefers to have multiple "shots" rather than just one. I agree. Moving up in the first round (or at all) doesn't work out very often.

I have a feeling you might have to repeat this a couple more times lol

Yes I'm seeing a pattern forming here lol.

Originally posted by Furlow:
What he's saying is Mac Jones for one pick > Trey Lance for three picks. I don't see how anyone could disagree with this, up until this point anyway.

Sure. But we have Purdy which mitigates the miss if it proves to be one. They have nothing if Mac continues his trajectory.

Of course if the 9er used 12 on say Alex Leatherwood and miss on both 29 picks it's not so great. The lottery part of the draft.

No different from TO mitigating the JJ Stokes miss. Obviously Ray Lewis as a 9er would've been nice, but that's the draft for ya.

Potentially the greatest draft pick in NFL history will make up for all the draft misses in the entire Kyle era to me if the trajectory continues.