Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Who is this "greatest draft pick ever" you keep referencing? Purdy?

Yes. Do you disagree?

If he turns out to be a franchise QB, then absolutely the greatest draft pick ever. Hell he's already outplayed his draft slot and total contract by A LOT.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
You are right Furlow. 100% basically was on board with paying JG. I think of lot of fans were split on the decision to move up from 12 to 3. And also split on who to take at 3.

And the majority of those guys wouldn't have taken Parsons. Most would've advocated for Mac so we'd be in the same spot as Mac never beats out Jimmy either, got hurt last year too and would now be behind Brock just like Trey is. Now could both 29 picks be key contributors? Sure. They could also be misses. We don't know.

Originally posted by Furlow:
If he turns out to be a franchise QB, then absolutely the greatest draft pick ever. Hell he's already outplayed his draft slot and total contract by A LOT.

My point exactly. Lucky or not they have an alternative to Lance failing. That's what good drafting team do.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
And the majority of those guys wouldn't have taken Parsons. Most would've advocated for Mac so we'd be in the same spot as Mac never beats out Jimmy either, got hurt last year too and would now be behind Brock just like Trey is. Now could both 29 picks be key contributors? Sure. They could also be misses. We don't know.

Why are you positive that Jones couldn't have beat out Jimmy, or that he would have even needed to? Jones being the most pro ready prospect of the three we chose from could have made an immediate Jimmy trade much more palatable.

Jones put up basically a mirror image of Jimmy's production as a rookie in a worse situation in terms of surrounding talent. And that was at a lower number in terms of salary.

In addition to whether or not we could have better used our draft picks, there are financial implications as well.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Why are you positive that Jones couldn't have beat out Jimmy, or that he would have even needed to? Jones being the most pro ready prospect of the three we chose from could have made an immediate Jimmy trade much more palatable.

Jones put up basically a mirror image of Jimmy's production as a rookie in a worse situation in terms of surrounding talent. And that was at a lower number in terms of salary.

In addition to whether or not we could have better used our draft picks, there are financial implications as well.

I'm not convinced he could do all that without having the Jets and bad 21 Dolphins 4 times. He padded all his numbers agains the bad teams and struggled against the good ones. It would've been similar here especially with the offenses year long inconsistency in 21.

If Cam Newton gets vaccinated he's still the starting QB in New England for at least the first part of 21. It was his refusal to not get vaccinated that made Bill have enough and cut him not his play.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
I'm not convinced he could do all that without having the Jets and bad 21 Dolphins 4 times. He padded all his numbers agains the bad teams and struggled against the good ones. It would've been similar here especially with the offenses year long inconsistency in 21.

If Cam Newton gets vaccinated he's still the starting QB in New England for at least the first part of 21. It was his refusal to not get vaccinated that made Bill have enough and cut him not his play.

I followed the Patriots really closely that season and I definitely don't agree with your assessment of their situation. Mac was outperforming Cam through camp and in the preseason, and Mac did not pad his stats against the Jets and Dolphins. He had 4 TDs across 4 games and the team was 2-2 in those games.

That said, beating out Jimmy G was a harder task than beating out a washed up Cam Newton in '21. I do think the more likely scenario is they ship out Jimmy as the drop off, if any, is minimal… and the salary savings and draft pick return is significant.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
It just struck me as odd as we burn three ones to hopefully have a guy on the level of the prior guy.

We drafted him to have a guy higher than that level.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I followed the Patriots really closely that season and I definitely don't agree with your assessment of their situation. Mac was outperforming Cam through camp and in the preseason, and Mac did not pad his stats against the Jets and Dolphins. He had 4 TDs across 4 games and the team was 2-2 in those games.

That said, beating out Jimmy G was harder task than beating out a washed up Cam Newton in '21. I do think the more likely scenario is they ship out Jimmy as the drop off, if any, is minimal… and the salary savings and draft pick return is significant.

And I remember specifically the beat writers coming on radio talking about Cam being a distraction with the Patriots being why they cut him.

Jimmy was coming off his ankle problems so I don't know how significant that value would've been. I don't think, based on how 22 went, that they would've moved him. Without 21 production Jimmy maybe gets an offer of a 2 and a later round pick. It wouldn't have been particularly significant. 9ers valued the guy very highly.

Originally posted by random49er:
We drafted him to have a guy higher than that level.

And if we pay him or Brock 40 mil a year we sure as hell want them to play higher than that level.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
And I remember specifically the beat writers coming on radio talking about Cam being a distraction with the Patriots being why they cut him.

Jimmy was coming off his ankle problems so I don't know how significant that value would've been. I don't think, based on how 22 went, that they would've moved him. Without 21 production Jimmy maybe gets an offer of a 2 and a later round pick. It wouldn't have been particularly significant. 9ers valued the guy very highly.

I agree with you that Jimmy nets a 2nd probably. I consider that significant in conjunction with the money savings. Even a 3rd would have been good.

I think the biggest underlying factor in the release of Cam Newton, and the distraction concern, was that he would be backing up a rookie QB. Could have been problematic on both ends (for/from Jones and Newton). Belichick has shown a quick trigger in this context throughout his coaching career.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Who is this "greatest draft pick ever" you keep referencing? Purdy?

Yes. Do you disagree?

If he turns out to be a franchise QB, then absolutely the greatest draft pick ever. Hell he's already outplayed his draft slot and total contract by A LOT.

Huh? Y'all make me feel old, but even if Rice was the #1 overall, he'd STILL be the greatest pick of all time, being as he is the greatest FOOTBALL player of all time. I'd follow him with Joe, then Lott. If Purdy turns out to be a FQB, he'd fall somewhere after Haley and Craig.

If he wins us 4 SBs, I'll happily reconsider. But he doesn't even have to be great to do that, just better than Jimmy G, which is a terribly low bar to meet.

So easy to see biases when it comes to Purdy, he doesn't even need to win a SB or make the HOF, just be a FQB, ala Tony Romo, and y'all consider him the GREATEST pick of all time? LMFAO!!!!!


I truly feel terrible that you guys don't have a clue who Joe Montana is.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Who is this "greatest draft pick ever" you keep referencing? Purdy?

Yes. Do you disagree?

If he turns out to be a franchise QB, then absolutely the greatest draft pick ever. Hell he's already outplayed his draft slot and total contract by A LOT.

Huh? Y'all make me feel old, but even if Rice was the #1 overall, he'd STILL be the greatest pick of all time, being as he is the greatest football player of all time. I'd follow him with Joe, then Lott. If Purdy turns out to be a FQB, he'd fall somewhere after Haley and Craig.

If he wins us 4 SBs, I'll happily reconsider. But he doesn't even have to be great to do that, just better than Jimmy G, which is a terribly low bar to meet.

Ya not sure how Joe/Rice aren't considered the greatest draft picks.

Purdy would need to win multiple SBs to surpass those 2.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Ya not sure how Joe/Rice aren't considered the greatest draft picks.

Purdy would need to win multiple SBs to surpass those 2.

I wasn't sure they were just talking 49ers. I thought it was all teams. If it is, you guys might have heard of this 6th rounder drafted by New England who turned out alright.

Either way, the point in the claim is the potential for insane value in a slot where there is usually none.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Who is this "greatest draft pick ever" you keep referencing? Purdy?

Yes. Do you disagree?

If he turns out to be a franchise QB, then absolutely the greatest draft pick ever. Hell he's already outplayed his draft slot and total contract by A LOT.

Huh? Y'all make me feel old, but even if Rice was the #1 overall, he'd STILL be the greatest pick of all time, being as he is the greatest football player of all time. I'd follow him with Joe, then Lott. If Purdy turns out to be a FQB, he'd fall somewhere after Haley and Craig.

If he wins us 4 SBs, I'll happily reconsider. But he doesn't even have to be great to do that, just better than Jimmy G, which is a terribly low bar to meet.

Ya not sure how Joe/Rice aren't considered the greatest draft picks.

Purdy would need to win multiple SBs to surpass those 2.

And show that it was all on HIM rather than the ferocious D we have, or the All Pro offense. SMH.

Best pick of all time is not the same as best player of all time. Value discussion since the picks given up for Trey is continually brought up.

Again if Brock plays like the small sample size the rest of his career he's gonna be that. Not saying he will or it's even realistic just that from a value standpoint you can't get better that the final pick turning into a star.

Even if he's just a couple time Pro bowler that would be enough to win us some sbs with this team and offset the Trey investment.