Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
in 2021 our pick was 12, recall in 2020 we sucked, as JG was injured
so you mention a late first in 2021, that is not the reality
you don't need to hypothesize about random QBs, we got our QB1 at pick 262, Mr BCB
WAS got a QB1 in round 5, point is, you don't need to burn three ones in a panic move like we did

So we have to spend franchise money on above average qb because we cant go back to the dark days but Washington tying their team to a 5th round unproven rookie is fine?

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Two really good articles by NFL analyst Rich Madrid, that breaks down what Trey Lance does well and what he needs to improve on.

Part 2: What Trey Lance does wellhttps://t.co/Q6rCkDqAqK pic.twitter.com/ii1trlQpbn

— Rich (@richjmadrid) June 20, 2023

Part 3: Where Trey Lance needs to improvehttps://t.co/WVMG7Xs6nZ pic.twitter.com/aIQiu546rm

— Rich (@richjmadrid) June 20, 2023

"NFL analyst" Rich Madrid.



The guy is a pathetic clown.

Why is he a pathetic clown? I bet you'd be posting his work if it fit your narrative.

We all would, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be calling him an NFL analyst like he's official.

Lol, fair enough.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
in 2021 our pick was 12, recall in 2020 we sucked, as JG was injured
so you mention a late first in 2021, that is not the reality
you don't need to hypothesize about random QBs, we got our QB1 at pick 262, Mr BCB
WAS got a QB1 in round 5, point is, you don't need to burn three ones in a panic move like we did

So we have to spend franchise money on above average qb because we cant go back to the dark days but Washington tying their team to a 5th round unproven rookie is fine?

My post was more about draft investment, not dollars. But if you want to get into this other convo, here goes..

you only spend on the 2nd contract. Although if you take a guy very high, like TL, you do have to kinda spend. TL costs $34m over his deal, which isn't nothing. You could get a lot of players for $34m, would be your argument right? So I am surprised to see you on the TL train, in that sense. If you are all about lowering the costs of the QB room, you should advocate like what WAS is doing or more of a BP type of QB. These guys are making $30m less than TL.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
My post was more about draft investment, not dollars. But if you want to get into this other convo, here goes..

you only spend on the 2nd contract. Although if you take a guy very high, like TL, you do have to kinda spend. TL costs $34m over his deal, which isn't nothing. You could get a lot of players for $34m, would be your argument right? So I am surprised to see you on the TL train, in that sense. If you are all about lowering the costs of the QB room, you should advocate like what WAS is doing or more of a BP type of QB. These guys are making $30m less than TL.

Dollar investment is a bigger deal than draft investment.

Paying rookies is part of the deal. You can't control that, it is set. You can control how much money you invest on that 2nd contract.

The idea that you just use middling draft picks on your most important position as a plan and then pay it top dollar money because you dont want to go backwards is insane to me.

A BP type of QB is literally winning the lottery. Nobody should follow suit with that being their ideal plan.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
My post was more about draft investment, not dollars. But if you want to get into this other convo, here goes..

you only spend on the 2nd contract. Although if you take a guy very high, like TL, you do have to kinda spend. TL costs $34m over his deal, which isn't nothing. You could get a lot of players for $34m, would be your argument right? So I am surprised to see you on the TL train, in that sense. If you are all about lowering the costs of the QB room, you should advocate like what WAS is doing or more of a BP type of QB. These guys are making $30m less than TL.

Dollar investment is a bigger deal than draft investment.

Paying rookies is part of the deal. You can't control that, it is set. You can control how much money you invest on that 2nd contract.

The idea that you just middling draft picks on your most important position as a plan and then pay it top dollar money because you dont want to go backwards is insane to me.

A BP type of QB is literally winning the lottery. Nobody should follow suit with that being their ideal plan.

I disagree with your dollars > picks. Both are important. NFL GMs, near universally, treat first round picks like they are made of solid gold.

There are a few convos here that you are conflating a bit. One is a convo of how to get your FQB. They can be found all over the draft, as BP shows, even undrafted like Warner and Garcia.

The second convo, is how do you handle your QB once the first contract is up, do you sign the lucrative 2nd contract? We aren't there yet on these guys. Each case there is unique to the team, player, roster, is that club contending or rebuilding, etc.

I suppose a third convo would be, how do you maximize the amount of dollars you can spend on talent elsewhere on the roster? This seems a focus of yours and it's interesting. The answer is clear, find a BP. When WAS pivoted to Howell, they mentioned BP specifically. They said maybe he can be our Brock Purdy. If he is a guy, they will have a dirt cheap QB room, and can build around it, with many millions more than a top of first round QB.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
It just struck me as odd as we burn three ones to hopefully have a guy on the level of the prior guy.

I prefer more bets, rather than one big bet, we made one very big bet on TL, as a club. If you look at NE, they got Mac, and also Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez. They kept all their ones, and the blowback is a lot less impactful if Mac doesn't work out, cuz they at least have Strange and this CB who maybe will be really good.

And yet the 9ers have a guy who has at least shown glimpses of elite play in a small sample while New England has a guy who needs to be carried to wins because his sklllset is weak and has no real upside. Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez won't make up for that. No Pat fan will be ok with Mac not working out because they have a starting nfl guard and possible solid cornerback. Only way it doesn't blow back if Mac fails is if Bailey Zappe is Brock 2.0.

The big bet the team can't miss on is giving huge money to Brock or Trey down the line.

What he's saying is Mac Jones for one pick > Trey Lance for three picks. I don't see how anyone could disagree with this, up until this point anyway.

you miss every shot you don't take.. drafting Mac is not taking a shot

We gambled and it hasn't worked out, so far

Again, Faithful's point is he prefers to have multiple "shots" rather than just one. I agree. Moving up in the first round (or at all) doesn't work out very often.

You don't think team looked ahead to see what other "shot" may be available?

Who do you see as a good shot at QB with the 28/29th picks we would've had in 2021 and 2022 drafts? Last year's QB class was awful and we probably got the best QB in that class anyways and this year it's Will Levis or maybe Hendon Hooker. Both guys older than Trey. Levis by a year and Hooker by 2.5 years.

in 2021 our pick was 12, recall in 2020 we sucked, as JG was injured
so you mention a late first in 2021, that is not the reality
you don't need to hypothesize about random QBs, we got our QB1 at pick 262, Mr BCB
WAS got a QB1 in round 5, point is, you don't need to burn three ones in a panic move like we did

That is reality. You know very well what I meant and that was the picks we got from each of those seasons since they were the future picks we gave away.

It wasn't a panic move, it was a calculated decision. The reason why we were picking so high was pretty clear to anyone paying attention. Hell the fact that we got the 12th pick with the injuries we had that season is a testament to the team in place.

They moved up but gave nothing else away in that same draft, where all future picks are devaluated during that specific draft. We gave away a low 1st round pick in 2 drafts and a comp 3rd round pick we got from Saleh being hired by the Jets.

People want to act like we gave away the world but the move was calculated and that included looking ahead to see who else they would be able to get. I assure you Brock Purdy was not in consideration. Team knew they had a good roster in place and the future picks they were going to give away weren't likely to be high enough to draft special prospects at the position.

They made the move. Kudos to them. We'll see if their evaluation matched their shot.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
My post was more about draft investment, not dollars. But if you want to get into this other convo, here goes..

you only spend on the 2nd contract. Although if you take a guy very high, like TL, you do have to kinda spend. TL costs $34m over his deal, which isn't nothing. You could get a lot of players for $34m, would be your argument right? So I am surprised to see you on the TL train, in that sense. If you are all about lowering the costs of the QB room, you should advocate like what WAS is doing or more of a BP type of QB. These guys are making $30m less than TL.

Dollar investment is a bigger deal than draft investment.

Paying rookies is part of the deal. You can't control that, it is set. You can control how much money you invest on that 2nd contract.

The idea that you just middling draft picks on your most important position as a plan and then pay it top dollar money because you dont want to go backwards is insane to me.

A BP type of QB is literally winning the lottery. Nobody should follow suit with that being their ideal plan.

I disagree with your dollars > picks. Both are important. NFL GMs, near universally, treat first round picks like they are made of solid gold.

There are a few convos here that you are conflating a bit. One is a convo of how to get your FQB. They can be found all over the draft, as BP shows, even undrafted like Warner and Garcia.

The second convo, is how do you handle your QB once the first contract is up, do you sign the lucrative 2nd contract? We aren't there yet on these guys. Each case there is unique to the team, player, roster, is that club contending or rebuilding, etc.

I suppose a third convo would be, how do you maximize the amount of dollars you can spend on talent elsewhere on the roster? This seems a focus of yours and it's interesting. The answer is clear, find a BP. When WAS pivoted to Howell, they mentioned BP specifically. They said maybe he can be our Brock Purdy. If he is a guy, they will have a dirt cheap QB room, and can build around it, with many millions more than a top of first round QB.

Both are important, that's how you build great teams.

Problem with you dismissing the $ part is that when you hit on the draft you have to pay those guys.

Jimmy's big $ contract handicaps the team a lot more than Trey Lance's selection at 3rd overall. So it's an investment either way but salary cap is what it is. Draft you can miss early and hit later and it balances out.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I disagree with your dollars > picks. Both are important. NFL GMs, near universally, treat first round picks like they are made of solid gold.

There are a few convos here that you are conflating a bit. One is a convo of how to get your FQB. They can be found all over the draft, as BP shows, even undrafted like Warner and Garcia.

The second convo, is how do you handle your QB once the first contract is up, do you sign the lucrative 2nd contract? We aren't there yet on these guys. Each case there is unique to the team, player, roster, is that club contending or rebuilding, etc.

I suppose a third convo would be, how do you maximize the amount of dollars you can spend on talent elsewhere on the roster? This seems a focus of yours and it's interesting. The answer is clear, find a BP. When WAS pivoted to Howell, they mentioned BP specifically. They said maybe he can be our Brock Purdy. If he is a guy, they will have a dirt cheap QB room, and can build around it, with many millions more than a top of first round QB.

Look at the balance of top QBs throughout history or even the last few years. You don't routinely find "franchise guys" outside the first. It can happen but that isn't how a team should be prioritizing.

Dollars are best spent on elite players. However you develop them. Money is NOT best spent when you spend franchise player money on guys that don't produce to that level. Picks aren't best spent on that either but it's MUCH HARDER to know what a rookie is going to be. Free agents and players within the system are much easier to use.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
It just struck me as odd as we burn three ones to hopefully have a guy on the level of the prior guy.

I prefer more bets, rather than one big bet, we made one very big bet on TL, as a club. If you look at NE, they got Mac, and also Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez. They kept all their ones, and the blowback is a lot less impactful if Mac doesn't work out, cuz they at least have Strange and this CB who maybe will be really good.

And yet the 9ers have a guy who has at least shown glimpses of elite play in a small sample while New England has a guy who needs to be carried to wins because his sklllset is weak and has no real upside. Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez won't make up for that. No Pat fan will be ok with Mac not working out because they have a starting nfl guard and possible solid cornerback. Only way it doesn't blow back if Mac fails is if Bailey Zappe is Brock 2.0.

The big bet the team can't miss on is giving huge money to Brock or Trey down the line.

What he's saying is Mac Jones for one pick > Trey Lance for three picks. I don't see how anyone could disagree with this, up until this point anyway.

you miss every shot you don't take.. drafting Mac is not taking a shot

We gambled and it hasn't worked out, so far

Again, Faithful's point is he prefers to have multiple "shots" rather than just one. I agree. Moving up in the first round (or at all) doesn't work out very often.

You don't think team looked ahead to see what other "shot" may be available?

Who do you see as a good shot at QB with the 28/29th picks we would've had in 2021 and 2022 drafts? Last year's QB class was awful and we probably got the best QB in that class anyways and this year it's Will Levis or maybe Hendon Hooker. Both guys older than Trey. Levis by a year and Hooker by 2.5 years.

in 2021 our pick was 12, recall in 2020 we sucked, as JG was injured
so you mention a late first in 2021, that is not the reality
you don't need to hypothesize about random QBs, we got our QB1 at pick 262, Mr BCB
WAS got a QB1 in round 5, point is, you don't need to burn three ones in a panic move like we did

That is reality. You know very well what I meant and that was the picks we got from each of those seasons since they were the future picks we gave away.

It wasn't a panic move, it was a calculated decision. The reason why we were picking so high was pretty clear to anyone paying attention. Hell the fact that we got the 12th pick with the injuries we had that season is a testament to the team in place.

They moved up but gave nothing else away in that same draft, where all future picks are devaluated during that specific draft. We gave away a low 1st round pick in 2 drafts and a comp 3rd round pick we got from Saleh being hired by the Jets.

People want to act like we gave away the world but the move was calculated and that included looking ahead to see who else they would be able to get. I assure you Brock Purdy was not in consideration. Team knew they had a good roster in place and the future picks they were going to give away weren't likely to be high enough to draft special prospects at the position.

They made the move. Kudos to them. We'll see if their evaluation matched their shot.

I honestly didn't know what you meant. You were either wrong on the years that you gave, or the picks you gave. It looks like with you clarifying, that you got the years wrong. Fair enough, I simply knew something wasn't right, with your post.

It was a panic move, in the sense, they knew they couldn't survive with JG getting hurt, which ruined 2018 and 2020. So they basically hit the panic button, and liquidated years worth of picks, to say problem solved, even tho it wasn't.

They didn't have the sense of calm to say, why don't we explore other QBs, or maybe in 2022 we will get a QB, etc. My understanding is they flew up, just to scout and have the inside track. They didn't even know who they were moving up for. Is this correct? I hear that often mentioned. That's a panic move to me. After all Mac went 15, so flying up to 3 to scout him, when you have pick 12, is a bit silly looking back.

I give no kudos. Imagine someone cashing out their assets and betting it on red at the casino, you would give kudos to this? We'll see if it hits? Even if it does hit, you hit on BP, doesn't that mean all this draft capital could have been deployed elsewhere? Doesn't BPs success, and JGs last year, show that our O is built for any competent QB to step in and run it effectively? Under those conditions, you don't need to set fire to all that draft capital to find a QB.. there are a bunch of QBs that could flourish here for fractions of the investment.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
It just struck me as odd as we burn three ones to hopefully have a guy on the level of the prior guy.

I prefer more bets, rather than one big bet, we made one very big bet on TL, as a club. If you look at NE, they got Mac, and also Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez. They kept all their ones, and the blowback is a lot less impactful if Mac doesn't work out, cuz they at least have Strange and this CB who maybe will be really good.

And yet the 9ers have a guy who has at least shown glimpses of elite play in a small sample while New England has a guy who needs to be carried to wins because his sklllset is weak and has no real upside. Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez won't make up for that. No Pat fan will be ok with Mac not working out because they have a starting nfl guard and possible solid cornerback. Only way it doesn't blow back if Mac fails is if Bailey Zappe is Brock 2.0.

The big bet the team can't miss on is giving huge money to Brock or Trey down the line.

What he's saying is Mac Jones for one pick > Trey Lance for three picks. I don't see how anyone could disagree with this, up until this point anyway.

you miss every shot you don't take.. drafting Mac is not taking a shot

We gambled and it hasn't worked out, so far

Again, Faithful's point is he prefers to have multiple "shots" rather than just one. I agree. Moving up in the first round (or at all) doesn't work out very often.

You don't think team looked ahead to see what other "shot" may be available?

Who do you see as a good shot at QB with the 28/29th picks we would've had in 2021 and 2022 drafts? Last year's QB class was awful and we probably got the best QB in that class anyways and this year it's Will Levis or maybe Hendon Hooker. Both guys older than Trey. Levis by a year and Hooker by 2.5 years.

in 2021 our pick was 12, recall in 2020 we sucked, as JG was injured
so you mention a late first in 2021, that is not the reality
you don't need to hypothesize about random QBs, we got our QB1 at pick 262, Mr BCB
WAS got a QB1 in round 5, point is, you don't need to burn three ones in a panic move like we did

Exactly this. It was a total panic move. But under Kyle we've done this many times to move up and get "his guy." I'm racking my brain trying to figure out ONE time where moving up worked out.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
It just struck me as odd as we burn three ones to hopefully have a guy on the level of the prior guy.

I prefer more bets, rather than one big bet, we made one very big bet on TL, as a club. If you look at NE, they got Mac, and also Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez. They kept all their ones, and the blowback is a lot less impactful if Mac doesn't work out, cuz they at least have Strange and this CB who maybe will be really good.

And yet the 9ers have a guy who has at least shown glimpses of elite play in a small sample while New England has a guy who needs to be carried to wins because his sklllset is weak and has no real upside. Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez won't make up for that. No Pat fan will be ok with Mac not working out because they have a starting nfl guard and possible solid cornerback. Only way it doesn't blow back if Mac fails is if Bailey Zappe is Brock 2.0.

The big bet the team can't miss on is giving huge money to Brock or Trey down the line.

What he's saying is Mac Jones for one pick > Trey Lance for three picks. I don't see how anyone could disagree with this, up until this point anyway.

you miss every shot you don't take.. drafting Mac is not taking a shot

We gambled and it hasn't worked out, so far

Again, Faithful's point is he prefers to have multiple "shots" rather than just one. I agree. Moving up in the first round (or at all) doesn't work out very often.

You don't think team looked ahead to see what other "shot" may be available?

Who do you see as a good shot at QB with the 28/29th picks we would've had in 2021 and 2022 drafts? Last year's QB class was awful and we probably got the best QB in that class anyways and this year it's Will Levis or maybe Hendon Hooker. Both guys older than Trey. Levis by a year and Hooker by 2.5 years.

in 2021 our pick was 12, recall in 2020 we sucked, as JG was injured
so you mention a late first in 2021, that is not the reality
you don't need to hypothesize about random QBs, we got our QB1 at pick 262, Mr BCB
WAS got a QB1 in round 5, point is, you don't need to burn three ones in a panic move like we did

That is reality. You know very well what I meant and that was the picks we got from each of those seasons since they were the future picks we gave away.

It wasn't a panic move, it was a calculated decision. The reason why we were picking so high was pretty clear to anyone paying attention. Hell the fact that we got the 12th pick with the injuries we had that season is a testament to the team in place.

They moved up but gave nothing else away in that same draft, where all future picks are devaluated during that specific draft. We gave away a low 1st round pick in 2 drafts and a comp 3rd round pick we got from Saleh being hired by the Jets.

People want to act like we gave away the world but the move was calculated and that included looking ahead to see who else they would be able to get. I assure you Brock Purdy was not in consideration. Team knew they had a good roster in place and the future picks they were going to give away weren't likely to be high enough to draft special prospects at the position.

They made the move. Kudos to them. We'll see if their evaluation matched their shot.

I honestly didn't know what you meant. You were either wrong on the years that you gave, or the picks you gave. It looks like with you clarifying, that you got the years wrong. Fair enough, I simply knew something wasn't right, with your post.

It was a panic move, in the sense, they knew they couldn't survive with JG getting hurt, which ruined 2018 and 2020. So they basically hit the panic button, and liquidated years worth of picks, to say problem solved, even tho it wasn't.

They didn't have the sense of calm to say, why don't we explore other QBs, or maybe in 2022 we will get a QB, etc. My understanding is they flew up, just to scout and have the inside track. They didn't even know who they were moving up for. Is this correct? I hear that often mentioned. That's a panic move to me. After all Mac went 15, so flying up to 3 to scout him, when you have pick 12, is a bit silly looking back.

I give no kudos. Imagine someone cashing out their assets and betting it on red at the casino, you would give kudos to this? We'll see if it hits? Even if it does hit, you hit on BP, doesn't that mean all this draft capital could have been deployed elsewhere? Doesn't BPs success, and JGs last year, show that our O is built for any competent QB to step in and run it effectively? Under those conditions, you don't need to set fire to all that draft capital to find a QB.. there are a bunch of QBs that could flourish here for fractions of the investment.

in no way with any of your rambling and example proves this is a panic move.

The move had no effect as we're still wining with a top 5 team

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
It just struck me as odd as we burn three ones to hopefully have a guy on the level of the prior guy.

I prefer more bets, rather than one big bet, we made one very big bet on TL, as a club. If you look at NE, they got Mac, and also Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez. They kept all their ones, and the blowback is a lot less impactful if Mac doesn't work out, cuz they at least have Strange and this CB who maybe will be really good.

And yet the 9ers have a guy who has at least shown glimpses of elite play in a small sample while New England has a guy who needs to be carried to wins because his sklllset is weak and has no real upside. Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez won't make up for that. No Pat fan will be ok with Mac not working out because they have a starting nfl guard and possible solid cornerback. Only way it doesn't blow back if Mac fails is if Bailey Zappe is Brock 2.0.

The big bet the team can't miss on is giving huge money to Brock or Trey down the line.

What he's saying is Mac Jones for one pick > Trey Lance for three picks. I don't see how anyone could disagree with this, up until this point anyway.

you miss every shot you don't take.. drafting Mac is not taking a shot

We gambled and it hasn't worked out, so far

Again, Faithful's point is he prefers to have multiple "shots" rather than just one. I agree. Moving up in the first round (or at all) doesn't work out very often.

You don't think team looked ahead to see what other "shot" may be available?

Who do you see as a good shot at QB with the 28/29th picks we would've had in 2021 and 2022 drafts? Last year's QB class was awful and we probably got the best QB in that class anyways and this year it's Will Levis or maybe Hendon Hooker. Both guys older than Trey. Levis by a year and Hooker by 2.5 years.

in 2021 our pick was 12, recall in 2020 we sucked, as JG was injured
so you mention a late first in 2021, that is not the reality
you don't need to hypothesize about random QBs, we got our QB1 at pick 262, Mr BCB
WAS got a QB1 in round 5, point is, you don't need to burn three ones in a panic move like we did

Exactly this. It was a total panic move. But under Kyle we've done this many times to move up and get "his guy." I'm racking my brain trying to figure out ONE time where moving up worked out.

panic moves don't have positive results

Originally posted by genus49:
Both are important, that's how you build great teams.

Problem with you dismissing the $ part is that when you hit on the draft you have to pay those guys.

Jimmy's big $ contract handicaps the team a lot more than Trey Lance's selection at 3rd overall. So it's an investment either way but salary cap is what it is. Draft you can miss early and hit later and it balances out.

I find this absurd. JGs deal by the end of it, top QBs get 50-60m, he was getting mid 20s. That's more than reasonable.

I don't view paying basic QB1 money, to a guy who goes 38-17 here as starter, is a handicap. There is actually production there, return on investment. He cost us a 2nd round pick, then a deal commensurate with his ability. That's dirt cheap compared to TLs cost in my book. Three ones I view as franchise altering.

Can't Trey'd Lance.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
Both are important, that's how you build great teams.

Problem with you dismissing the $ part is that when you hit on the draft you have to pay those guys.

Jimmy's big $ contract handicaps the team a lot more than Trey Lance's selection at 3rd overall. So it's an investment either way but salary cap is what it is. Draft you can miss early and hit later and it balances out.

I find this absurd. JGs deal by the end of it, top QBs get 50-60m, he was getting mid 20s. That's more than reasonable.

I don't view paying basic QB1 money, to a guy who goes 38-17 here as starter, is a handicap. There is actually production there, return on investment. He cost us a 2nd round pick, then a deal commensurate with his ability. That's dirt cheap compared to TLs cost in my book. Three ones I view as franchise altering.

it didn't alter one thing.. now look at the rams arrow