Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
It just struck me as odd as we burn three ones to hopefully have a guy on the level of the prior guy.

I prefer more bets, rather than one big bet, we made one very big bet on TL, as a club. If you look at NE, they got Mac, and also Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez. They kept all their ones, and the blowback is a lot less impactful if Mac doesn't work out, cuz they at least have Strange and this CB who maybe will be really good.

And yet the 9ers have a guy who has at least shown glimpses of elite play in a small sample while New England has a guy who needs to be carried to wins because his sklllset is weak and has no real upside. Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez won't make up for that. No Pat fan will be ok with Mac not working out because they have a starting nfl guard and possible solid cornerback. Only way it doesn't blow back if Mac fails is if Bailey Zappe is Brock 2.0.

The big bet the team can't miss on is giving huge money to Brock or Trey down the line.

What he's saying is Mac Jones for one pick > Trey Lance for three picks. I don't see how anyone could disagree with this, up until this point anyway.

you miss every shot you don't take.. drafting Mac is not taking a shot

We gambled and it hasn't worked out, so far

Again, Faithful's point is he prefers to have multiple "shots" rather than just one. I agree. Moving up in the first round (or at all) doesn't work out very often.

You don't think team looked ahead to see what other "shot" may be available?

Who do you see as a good shot at QB with the 28/29th picks we would've had in 2021 and 2022 drafts? Last year's QB class was awful and we probably got the best QB in that class anyways and this year it's Will Levis or maybe Hendon Hooker. Both guys older than Trey. Levis by a year and Hooker by 2.5 years.

in 2021 our pick was 12, recall in 2020 we sucked, as JG was injured
so you mention a late first in 2021, that is not the reality
you don't need to hypothesize about random QBs, we got our QB1 at pick 262, Mr BCB
WAS got a QB1 in round 5, point is, you don't need to burn three ones in a panic move like we did

That is reality. You know very well what I meant and that was the picks we got from each of those seasons since they were the future picks we gave away.

It wasn't a panic move, it was a calculated decision. The reason why we were picking so high was pretty clear to anyone paying attention. Hell the fact that we got the 12th pick with the injuries we had that season is a testament to the team in place.

They moved up but gave nothing else away in that same draft, where all future picks are devaluated during that specific draft. We gave away a low 1st round pick in 2 drafts and a comp 3rd round pick we got from Saleh being hired by the Jets.

People want to act like we gave away the world but the move was calculated and that included looking ahead to see who else they would be able to get. I assure you Brock Purdy was not in consideration. Team knew they had a good roster in place and the future picks they were going to give away weren't likely to be high enough to draft special prospects at the position.

They made the move. Kudos to them. We'll see if their evaluation matched their shot.

I honestly didn't know what you meant. You were either wrong on the years that you gave, or the picks you gave. It looks like with you clarifying, that you got the years wrong. Fair enough, I simply knew something wasn't right, with your post.

It was a panic move, in the sense, they knew they couldn't survive with JG getting hurt, which ruined 2018 and 2020. So they basically hit the panic button, and liquidated years worth of picks, to say problem solved, even tho it wasn't.

They didn't have the sense of calm to say, why don't we explore other QBs, or maybe in 2022 we will get a QB, etc. My understanding is they flew up, just to scout and have the inside track. They didn't even know who they were moving up for. Is this correct? I hear that often mentioned. That's a panic move to me. After all Mac went 15, so flying up to 3 to scout him, when you have pick 12, is a bit silly looking back.

I give no kudos. Imagine someone cashing out their assets and betting it on red at the casino, you would give kudos to this? We'll see if it hits? Even if it does hit, you hit on BP, doesn't that mean all this draft capital could have been deployed elsewhere? Doesn't BPs success, and JGs last year, show that our O is built for any competent QB to step in and run it effectively? Under those conditions, you don't need to set fire to all that draft capital to find a QB.. there are a bunch of QBs that could flourish here for fractions of the investment.

Dude you have got to be the most frustrating person to have a conversation with on here lol.

How in the hell are you comparing what they did to someone betting it all on red at the casino? I don't even know where to start with that analogy.

First of all BP pick was pure luck. If he goes on to be a HOF stud who wins us multiple SBs it will be pure luck and not something a team can plan on getting right. If we felt that strongly about him we would've taken him a lot sooner. Same reason I didn't give Belichick credit for Brady. Pure luck. Only credit I give Shanahan/Belichick is seeing the potential and keeping them on the roster when you rarely see 4 or 3 QBs kept on the 53 man roster.

Second I already brought up the team looking ahead to next few years and clearly they felt that 2021(fixed it for you so there is no confusion) draft provided them the best opportunity to select a QB they felt could become more than just a Jimmy G. Given the QB class the following draft(2022 draft) it was a wise evaluation. And given where we were picking this past draft, it was also a wise evaluation unless you think Levis or Hooker somehow are a better prospect than Lance was.

Now you could make the claim that how the 49ers went about it doesn't make sense. By all accounts Andy Reid had Patrick Mahomes scouted long before that draft and made the move on draft night to go up and get his kid. However based on what Kyle has talked about recently they were looking for a QB with the skillset that Trey had. How they went about with the trade and doing their evaluation can be knocked but I think that's partly Shanahan's lack of patience and somewhat ego - like us trading up to the bottom of the 3rd round to draft CJ Beathard just because Kyle didn't want to sweat it out for another evening.

But no matter how much you want to complain about that the fact is the team clearly was looking ahead to replacing Jimmy with someone they felt could be special and someone who could give defenses very different looks to expand our offense. We can blame the evaluation or the method they chose to develop a kid like Trey but them going for it was 100% the right move.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
It just struck me as odd as we burn three ones to hopefully have a guy on the level of the prior guy.

I prefer more bets, rather than one big bet, we made one very big bet on TL, as a club. If you look at NE, they got Mac, and also Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez. They kept all their ones, and the blowback is a lot less impactful if Mac doesn't work out, cuz they at least have Strange and this CB who maybe will be really good.

And yet the 9ers have a guy who has at least shown glimpses of elite play in a small sample while New England has a guy who needs to be carried to wins because his sklllset is weak and has no real upside. Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez won't make up for that. No Pat fan will be ok with Mac not working out because they have a starting nfl guard and possible solid cornerback. Only way it doesn't blow back if Mac fails is if Bailey Zappe is Brock 2.0.

The big bet the team can't miss on is giving huge money to Brock or Trey down the line.

What he's saying is Mac Jones for one pick > Trey Lance for three picks. I don't see how anyone could disagree with this, up until this point anyway.

you miss every shot you don't take.. drafting Mac is not taking a shot

We gambled and it hasn't worked out, so far

Again, Faithful's point is he prefers to have multiple "shots" rather than just one. I agree. Moving up in the first round (or at all) doesn't work out very often.

You don't think team looked ahead to see what other "shot" may be available?

Who do you see as a good shot at QB with the 28/29th picks we would've had in 2021 and 2022 drafts? Last year's QB class was awful and we probably got the best QB in that class anyways and this year it's Will Levis or maybe Hendon Hooker. Both guys older than Trey. Levis by a year and Hooker by 2.5 years.

in 2021 our pick was 12, recall in 2020 we sucked, as JG was injured
so you mention a late first in 2021, that is not the reality
you don't need to hypothesize about random QBs, we got our QB1 at pick 262, Mr BCB
WAS got a QB1 in round 5, point is, you don't need to burn three ones in a panic move like we did

Exactly this. It was a total panic move. But under Kyle we've done this many times to move up and get "his guy." I'm racking my brain trying to figure out ONE time where moving up worked out.

I dont think it was a panic move at all. I think Kyle saw that we had gone as far as we could with Jimmy and saw an chance to swing for the fence. It hasnt worked out so far, but I dont see it being a panic move whatsoever. Kyle/Lynch saw an opportunity to improve the QB position, and rolled the dice.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I find this absurd. JGs deal by the end of it, top QBs get 50-60m, he was getting mid 20s. That's more than reasonable.

I don't view paying basic QB1 money, to a guy who goes 38-17 here as starter, is a handicap. There is actually production there, return on investment. He cost us a 2nd round pick, then a deal commensurate with his ability. That's dirt cheap compared to TLs cost in my book. Three ones I view as franchise altering.

Basic money? He was the highest paid qb in the league when he signed his deal iirc.

Not being able to keep Buckner is easily as franchise altering as not drafting a guy at 12 overall. Buckner was an all pro. We don't know what the picks would've been or if any of them were at that level.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I find this absurd. JGs deal by the end of it, top QBs get 50-60m, he was getting mid 20s. That's more than reasonable.

I don't view paying basic QB1 money, to a guy who goes 38-17 here as starter, is a handicap. There is actually production there, return on investment. He cost us a 2nd round pick, then a deal commensurate with his ability. That's dirt cheap compared to TLs cost in my book. Three ones I view as franchise altering.

Basic money? He was the highest paid qb in the league when he signed his deal iirc.

Not being able to keep Buckner is easily as franchise altering as not drafting a guy at 12 overall. Buckner was an all pro. We don't know what the picks would've been or if any of them were at that level.

Calling the Trey Lance trade a "franchise altering trade" is just silly. We traded future assets, that not a single person in the world can quantify.

Again are we happy if Nick Bosa becomes the highest paid defensive player in league but is an 8 sack guy who dissappears in playoffs just because the team might win anyway?

As long as 9ers win is it ok for Kittle Warner and Deebo to just play slightly above average?

Originally posted by genus49:
Dude you have got to be the most frustrating person to have a conversation with on here lol.

How in the hell are you comparing what they did to someone betting it all on red at the casino? I don't even know where to start with that analogy.

First of all BP pick was pure luck. If he goes on to be a HOF stud who wins us multiple SBs it will be pure luck and not something a team can plan on getting right. If we felt that strongly about him we would've taken him a lot sooner. Same reason I didn't give Belichick credit for Brady. Pure luck. Only credit I give Shanahan/Belichick is seeing the potential and keeping them on the roster when you rarely see 4 or 3 QBs kept on the 53 man roster.

Second I already brought up the team looking ahead to next few years and clearly they felt that 2021(fixed it for you so there is no confusion) draft provided them the best opportunity to select a QB they felt could become more than just a Jimmy G. Given the QB class the following draft(2022 draft) it was a wise evaluation. And given where we were picking this past draft, it was also a wise evaluation unless you think Levis or Hooker somehow are a better prospect than Lance was.

Now you could make the claim that how the 49ers went about it doesn't make sense. By all accounts Andy Reid had Patrick Mahomes scouted long before that draft and made the move on draft night to go up and get his kid. However based on what Kyle has talked about recently they were looking for a QB with the skillset that Trey had. How they went about with the trade and doing their evaluation can be knocked but I think that's partly Shanahan's lack of patience and somewhat ego - like us trading up to the bottom of the 3rd round to draft CJ Beathard just because Kyle didn't want to sweat it out for another evening.

But no matter how much you want to complain about that the fact is the team clearly was looking ahead to replacing Jimmy with someone they felt could be special and someone who could give defenses very different looks to expand our offense. We can blame the evaluation or the method they chose to develop a kid like Trey but them going for it was 100% the right move.

How is the right move, when Hurts was a round 2? I'm pushing back on this notion, that you need to liquidate three ones to get a QB. No you don't. Three ones is excessive, and the dude better be an all caps FQB. Not the projected backup to pick 262 the following year.

On the bet it at the casino, I am referring to his draft profile. He was widely regarded, as perhaps the most boom or bust in the draft. Or the draft's big 'unknown'. It was a gamble, not a safe pick by any stretch.

BP, it wasn't all luck, but sure there was some luck on BP, I agree. They don't leave him around the entire draft, if they knew how good he would be. Same with Brady, the Pats passed on him, multiple times. Those are good points. On Hooker, he's far better value than TL, he's older, more experienced, played at better schools, once he gets past this injury I like him. What I like the most it was a round 3 bet. One 3, vs 3 ones.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I find this absurd. JGs deal by the end of it, top QBs get 50-60m, he was getting mid 20s. That's more than reasonable.

I don't view paying basic QB1 money, to a guy who goes 38-17 here as starter, is a handicap. There is actually production there, return on investment. He cost us a 2nd round pick, then a deal commensurate with his ability. That's dirt cheap compared to TLs cost in my book. Three ones I view as franchise altering.

Basic money? He was the highest paid qb in the league when he signed his deal iirc.

Not being able to keep Buckner is easily as franchise altering as not drafting a guy at 12 overall. Buckner was an all pro. We don't know what the picks would've been or if any of them were at that level.

Calling the Trey Lance trade a "franchise altering trade" is just silly. We traded future assets, that not a single person in the world can quantify.

Name a trade, in 49ers history, where we gave up more draft capital. Is there one?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Name a trade, in 49ers history, where we gave up more draft capital. Is there one?

Since we did it the team has made 2 nfc title games. What exactly got altered in the trajectory of the franchise?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Name a trade, in 49ers history, where we gave up more draft capital. Is there one?

here comes the spin

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Name a trade, in 49ers history, where we gave up more draft capital. Is there one?

Since we did it the team has made 2 nfc title games. What exactly got altered in the trajectory of the franchise?

We didn't make it to those title games because we spent three ones on near zero production. We made it in spite of that fact. First round picks can be used to add production or upgrade the roster. Any additional production, in 2 years when we were in the final four squads, may have resulted in a SB appearance, or a SB win, or multiple SB wins.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Name a trade, in 49ers history, where we gave up more draft capital. Is there one?

Since we did it the team has made 2 nfc title games. What exactly got altered in the trajectory of the franchise?

We didn't make it to those title games because we spent three ones on near zero production. We made it in spite of that fact. First round picks can be used to add production or upgrade the roster. Any additional production, in 2 years when we were in the final four squads, may have resulted in a SB appearance, or a SB win, or multiple SB wins.

the only trade that comes close, that I know of, is the OJ Simpson trade. That doesn't even add up to what we traded for Lance. it was a horrific trade.

Schefters news on Lance is pretty interesting today

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
It just struck me as odd as we burn three ones to hopefully have a guy on the level of the prior guy.

I prefer more bets, rather than one big bet, we made one very big bet on TL, as a club. If you look at NE, they got Mac, and also Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez. They kept all their ones, and the blowback is a lot less impactful if Mac doesn't work out, cuz they at least have Strange and this CB who maybe will be really good.

And yet the 9ers have a guy who has at least shown glimpses of elite play in a small sample while New England has a guy who needs to be carried to wins because his sklllset is weak and has no real upside. Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez won't make up for that. No Pat fan will be ok with Mac not working out because they have a starting nfl guard and possible solid cornerback. Only way it doesn't blow back if Mac fails is if Bailey Zappe is Brock 2.0.

The big bet the team can't miss on is giving huge money to Brock or Trey down the line.

What he's saying is Mac Jones for one pick > Trey Lance for three picks. I don't see how anyone could disagree with this, up until this point anyway.

you miss every shot you don't take.. drafting Mac is not taking a shot

We gambled and it hasn't worked out, so far

Again, Faithful's point is he prefers to have multiple "shots" rather than just one. I agree. Moving up in the first round (or at all) doesn't work out very often.

You don't think team looked ahead to see what other "shot" may be available?

Who do you see as a good shot at QB with the 28/29th picks we would've had in 2021 and 2022 drafts? Last year's QB class was awful and we probably got the best QB in that class anyways and this year it's Will Levis or maybe Hendon Hooker. Both guys older than Trey. Levis by a year and Hooker by 2.5 years.

in 2021 our pick was 12, recall in 2020 we sucked, as JG was injured
so you mention a late first in 2021, that is not the reality
you don't need to hypothesize about random QBs, we got our QB1 at pick 262, Mr BCB
WAS got a QB1 in round 5, point is, you don't need to burn three ones in a panic move like we did

That is reality. You know very well what I meant and that was the picks we got from each of those seasons since they were the future picks we gave away.

It wasn't a panic move, it was a calculated decision. The reason why we were picking so high was pretty clear to anyone paying attention. Hell the fact that we got the 12th pick with the injuries we had that season is a testament to the team in place.

They moved up but gave nothing else away in that same draft, where all future picks are devaluated during that specific draft. We gave away a low 1st round pick in 2 drafts and a comp 3rd round pick we got from Saleh being hired by the Jets.

People want to act like we gave away the world but the move was calculated and that included looking ahead to see who else they would be able to get. I assure you Brock Purdy was not in consideration. Team knew they had a good roster in place and the future picks they were going to give away weren't likely to be high enough to draft special prospects at the position.

They made the move. Kudos to them. We'll see if their evaluation matched their shot.

I honestly didn't know what you meant. You were either wrong on the years that you gave, or the picks you gave. It looks like with you clarifying, that you got the years wrong. Fair enough, I simply knew something wasn't right, with your post.

It was a panic move, in the sense, they knew they couldn't survive with JG getting hurt, which ruined 2018 and 2020. So they basically hit the panic button, and liquidated years worth of picks, to say problem solved, even tho it wasn't.

They didn't have the sense of calm to say, why don't we explore other QBs, or maybe in 2022 we will get a QB, etc. My understanding is they flew up, just to scout and have the inside track. They didn't even know who they were moving up for. Is this correct? I hear that often mentioned. That's a panic move to me. After all Mac went 15, so flying up to 3 to scout him, when you have pick 12, is a bit silly looking back.

I give no kudos. Imagine someone cashing out their assets and betting it on red at the casino, you would give kudos to this? We'll see if it hits? Even if it does hit, you hit on BP, doesn't that mean all this draft capital could have been deployed elsewhere? Doesn't BPs success, and JGs last year, show that our O is built for any competent QB to step in and run it effectively? Under those conditions, you don't need to set fire to all that draft capital to find a QB.. there are a bunch of QBs that could flourish here for fractions of the investment.

Dude you have got to be the most frustrating person to have a conversation with on here lol.

How in the hell are you comparing what they did to someone betting it all on red at the casino? I don't even know where to start with that analogy.

First of all BP pick was pure luck. If he goes on to be a HOF stud who wins us multiple SBs it will be pure luck and not something a team can plan on getting right. If we felt that strongly about him we would've taken him a lot sooner. Same reason I didn't give Belichick credit for Brady. Pure luck. Only credit I give Shanahan/Belichick is seeing the potential and keeping them on the roster when you rarely see 4 or 3 QBs kept on the 53 man roster.

Second I already brought up the team looking ahead to next few years and clearly they felt that 2021(fixed it for you so there is no confusion) draft provided them the best opportunity to select a QB they felt could become more than just a Jimmy G. Given the QB class the following draft(2022 draft) it was a wise evaluation. And given where we were picking this past draft, it was also a wise evaluation unless you think Levis or Hooker somehow are a better prospect than Lance was.

Now you could make the claim that how the 49ers went about it doesn't make sense. By all accounts Andy Reid had Patrick Mahomes scouted long before that draft and made the move on draft night to go up and get his kid. However based on what Kyle has talked about recently they were looking for a QB with the skillset that Trey had. How they went about with the trade and doing their evaluation can be knocked but I think that's partly Shanahan's lack of patience and somewhat ego - like us trading up to the bottom of the 3rd round to draft CJ Beathard just because Kyle didn't want to sweat it out for another evening.

But no matter how much you want to complain about that the fact is the team clearly was looking ahead to replacing Jimmy with someone they felt could be special and someone who could give defenses very different looks to expand our offense. We can blame the evaluation or the method they chose to develop a kid like Trey but them going for it was 100% the right move.

It's actually a great analogy. We "put it all on red" but left one chip on green 00. It hit green 00 (Purdy) and most of you are saying "see, putting it all on red was a good bet. I'd do it again."

We got REALLY LUCKY with Purdy. Take Purdy out of this scenario and this team is f**kED. We'd likely have extended Jimmy again and be dealing with his constant injuries. Or maybe rolling out Darnold as our starter and hoping he resurrected his career. Or hoping that Trey suddenly starts playing like a vet.

Getting lucky with Purdy does NOT justify what we gave up for Trey. It was a bad trade and an even worse pick. Not sure why there is so much debate on this.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
It just struck me as odd as we burn three ones to hopefully have a guy on the level of the prior guy.

I prefer more bets, rather than one big bet, we made one very big bet on TL, as a club. If you look at NE, they got Mac, and also Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez. They kept all their ones, and the blowback is a lot less impactful if Mac doesn't work out, cuz they at least have Strange and this CB who maybe will be really good.

And yet the 9ers have a guy who has at least shown glimpses of elite play in a small sample while New England has a guy who needs to be carried to wins because his sklllset is weak and has no real upside. Cole Strange and Christian Gonzalez won't make up for that. No Pat fan will be ok with Mac not working out because they have a starting nfl guard and possible solid cornerback. Only way it doesn't blow back if Mac fails is if Bailey Zappe is Brock 2.0.

The big bet the team can't miss on is giving huge money to Brock or Trey down the line.

What he's saying is Mac Jones for one pick > Trey Lance for three picks. I don't see how anyone could disagree with this, up until this point anyway.

you miss every shot you don't take.. drafting Mac is not taking a shot

We gambled and it hasn't worked out, so far

Again, Faithful's point is he prefers to have multiple "shots" rather than just one. I agree. Moving up in the first round (or at all) doesn't work out very often.

You don't think team looked ahead to see what other "shot" may be available?

Who do you see as a good shot at QB with the 28/29th picks we would've had in 2021 and 2022 drafts? Last year's QB class was awful and we probably got the best QB in that class anyways and this year it's Will Levis or maybe Hendon Hooker. Both guys older than Trey. Levis by a year and Hooker by 2.5 years.

in 2021 our pick was 12, recall in 2020 we sucked, as JG was injured
so you mention a late first in 2021, that is not the reality
you don't need to hypothesize about random QBs, we got our QB1 at pick 262, Mr BCB
WAS got a QB1 in round 5, point is, you don't need to burn three ones in a panic move like we did

That is reality. You know very well what I meant and that was the picks we got from each of those seasons since they were the future picks we gave away.

It wasn't a panic move, it was a calculated decision. The reason why we were picking so high was pretty clear to anyone paying attention. Hell the fact that we got the 12th pick with the injuries we had that season is a testament to the team in place.

They moved up but gave nothing else away in that same draft, where all future picks are devaluated during that specific draft. We gave away a low 1st round pick in 2 drafts and a comp 3rd round pick we got from Saleh being hired by the Jets.

People want to act like we gave away the world but the move was calculated and that included looking ahead to see who else they would be able to get. I assure you Brock Purdy was not in consideration. Team knew they had a good roster in place and the future picks they were going to give away weren't likely to be high enough to draft special prospects at the position.

They made the move. Kudos to them. We'll see if their evaluation matched their shot.

I honestly didn't know what you meant. You were either wrong on the years that you gave, or the picks you gave. It looks like with you clarifying, that you got the years wrong. Fair enough, I simply knew something wasn't right, with your post.

It was a panic move, in the sense, they knew they couldn't survive with JG getting hurt, which ruined 2018 and 2020. So they basically hit the panic button, and liquidated years worth of picks, to say problem solved, even tho it wasn't.

They didn't have the sense of calm to say, why don't we explore other QBs, or maybe in 2022 we will get a QB, etc. My understanding is they flew up, just to scout and have the inside track. They didn't even know who they were moving up for. Is this correct? I hear that often mentioned. That's a panic move to me. After all Mac went 15, so flying up to 3 to scout him, when you have pick 12, is a bit silly looking back.

I give no kudos. Imagine someone cashing out their assets and betting it on red at the casino, you would give kudos to this? We'll see if it hits? Even if it does hit, you hit on BP, doesn't that mean all this draft capital could have been deployed elsewhere? Doesn't BPs success, and JGs last year, show that our O is built for any competent QB to step in and run it effectively? Under those conditions, you don't need to set fire to all that draft capital to find a QB.. there are a bunch of QBs that could flourish here for fractions of the investment.

Dude you have got to be the most frustrating person to have a conversation with on here lol.

How in the hell are you comparing what they did to someone betting it all on red at the casino? I don't even know where to start with that analogy.

First of all BP pick was pure luck. If he goes on to be a HOF stud who wins us multiple SBs it will be pure luck and not something a team can plan on getting right. If we felt that strongly about him we would've taken him a lot sooner. Same reason I didn't give Belichick credit for Brady. Pure luck. Only credit I give Shanahan/Belichick is seeing the potential and keeping them on the roster when you rarely see 4 or 3 QBs kept on the 53 man roster.

Second I already brought up the team looking ahead to next few years and clearly they felt that 2021(fixed it for you so there is no confusion) draft provided them the best opportunity to select a QB they felt could become more than just a Jimmy G. Given the QB class the following draft(2022 draft) it was a wise evaluation. And given where we were picking this past draft, it was also a wise evaluation unless you think Levis or Hooker somehow are a better prospect than Lance was.

Now you could make the claim that how the 49ers went about it doesn't make sense. By all accounts Andy Reid had Patrick Mahomes scouted long before that draft and made the move on draft night to go up and get his kid. However based on what Kyle has talked about recently they were looking for a QB with the skillset that Trey had. How they went about with the trade and doing their evaluation can be knocked but I think that's partly Shanahan's lack of patience and somewhat ego - like us trading up to the bottom of the 3rd round to draft CJ Beathard just because Kyle didn't want to sweat it out for another evening.

But no matter how much you want to complain about that the fact is the team clearly was looking ahead to replacing Jimmy with someone they felt could be special and someone who could give defenses very different looks to expand our offense. We can blame the evaluation or the method they chose to develop a kid like Trey but them going for it was 100% the right move.

It's actually a great analogy. We "put it all on red" but left one chip on green 00. It hit green 00 (Purdy) and most of you are saying "see, putting it all on red was a good bet. I'd do it again."

We got REALLY LUCKY with Purdy. Take Purdy out of this scenario and this team is f**kED. We'd likely have extended Jimmy again and be dealing with his constant injuries. Or maybe rolling out Darnold as our starter and hoping he resurrected his career. Or hoping that Trey suddenly starts playing like a vet.

Getting lucky with Purdy does NOT justify what we gave up for Trey. It was a bad trade and an even worse pick. Not sure why there is so much debate on this.

that analogy sucks

We didn't put all of it, heck we didn't even put a 3rd of the franchise on it. Purdy isn't and didn't save the entire franchise/top 5 of a team

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I find this absurd. JGs deal by the end of it, top QBs get 50-60m, he was getting mid 20s. That's more than reasonable.

I don't view paying basic QB1 money, to a guy who goes 38-17 here as starter, is a handicap. There is actually production there, return on investment. He cost us a 2nd round pick, then a deal commensurate with his ability. That's dirt cheap compared to TLs cost in my book. Three ones I view as franchise altering.

Basic money? He was the highest paid qb in the league when he signed his deal iirc.

Not being able to keep Buckner is easily as franchise altering as not drafting a guy at 12 overall. Buckner was an all pro. We don't know what the picks would've been or if any of them were at that level.

Calling the Trey Lance trade a "franchise altering trade" is just silly. We traded future assets, that not a single person in the world can quantify.

Name a trade, in 49ers history, where we gave up more draft capital. Is there one?

Look up the trade we made for OJ Simpson.

If you want to use a trade value chart then we traded 12th, 29th, 29th and 102nd picks. Added up that's 2572 in draft value and that's NOT taking into consideration the depreciating value of future picks. That's why during the draft you'll see a team trade a 2nd round pick for next year's first.

All of the extra picks outside of #12 were in future years.

OJ Simpson trade we ended up giving away #1 overall. That's 3000 points all on its own. We added a 2nd and 3rd rounder in 78 draft and 2nd and 4th rounders in 1980 draft.

We got a 31 year old OJ Simpson coming off his worst season by far with the Bills for that.