Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
In part, thanks to BP and Jimmy (which includes the contract given in 2018 )

Mostly Purdy. Think he would've been fine as the backup in hindsight. But hindsight is 20/20

I thought you guys were talking about 2021 and 2022. Brock wasn't on the team in 2021.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Hard to say otherwise, but if they knew what he was he would have been drafted earlier. They got lucky as hell.

No argument. Why I'm saying it's not a sustainable draft strategy. No different than the Pats with Brady.

To argue the Commanders are doing the right thing with Sam Howell because the 9ers hit on a jackpot is crazy

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
No argument. Why I'm saying it's not a sustainable draft strategy. No different than the Pats with Brady.

To argue the Commanders are doing the right thing with Sam Howell because the 9ers hit on a jackpot is crazy

I'm definitely with you here. I just think both things can be bad strategies: drafting a raw prospect at the top of the draft with the amount we invested and our team's situation, and banking on finding a great QB in later rounds of the draft.

Pass on both for me.

If the team had a chance to go back and do it again, I doubt they do the trade again. Based on the report today, no team appears willing to part with any significant draft picks for Lance, let alone 3 first and a 3rd.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
I thought you guys were talking about 2021 and 2022. Brock wasn't on the team in 2021.

He'd played a role in 21 no doubt. Deebo played the biggest.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
If the team had a chance to go back and do it again, I doubt they do the trade again. Based on the report today, no team appears willing to part with any significant draft picks for Lance, let alone 3 first and a 3rd.

They would be flat out insane to have not learned anything from this move. There's no way they make that trade in hindsight.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I'm definitely with you here. I just think both things can be bad strategies: drafting a raw prospect at the top of the draft with the amount we invested and our team's situation, and banking on finding a great QB in later rounds of the draft.

Pass on both for me.

Fair. I'd say the 3rd scenario of drafting middling talents because they are pro ready is also a bad strategy. I don't want to have to continue to build an elite supporting cast year after year to make a middling guy effective.

At the time I wanted Fields. Still think that was the pick even with his flaws. Better chance he would've fixed them here than he will in Chicago.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
If the team had a chance to go back and do it again, I doubt they do the trade again. Based on the report today, no team appears willing to part with any significant draft picks for Lance, let alone 3 first and a 3rd.

They would be flat out insane to have not learned anything from this move. There's no way they make that trade in hindsight.

According to many in this thread, they should make that trade every chance they get until they "get their guy." Whatever that means.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Fair. I'd say the 3rd scenario of drafting middling talents because they are pro ready is also a bad strategy. I don't want to have to continue to build an elite supporting cast year after year to make a middling guy effective.

At the time I wanted Fields. Still think that was the pick even with his flaws. Better chance he would've fixed them here than he will in Chicago.

I understand the argument, but the disagreement would lie in how we evaluate QB talent. Mac Jones might not become a great QB in this league, but it won't be because of physical limitations. It will be because of his brain.

I philosophically can't get behind prioritizing athletic traits at the position. They are awesome to have, no question, but they are down the list in terms of necessity. You have to show the basic components first, and if a player can excel in those areas they'll be successful.

I still prefer Lance to Fields. I think he's more promising in how I'd view QB talent.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
I thought you guys were talking about 2021 and 2022. Brock wasn't on the team in 2021.

He'd played a role in 21 no doubt. Deebo played the biggest.

Everyone has their opinion on who played the biggest part. Either way, my original point still stands.

Originally posted by Furlow:
According to many in this thread, they should make that trade every chance they get until they "get their guy." Whatever that means.

I understand… just can't agree with it all. At least in the specific context of the move we made. Had we gone up to 1 and spent those assets on a 'can't miss' prospect (like a Lawrence, Luck, Manning, even an RG3), the argument could be more valid to me. The specifics matter

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
If the team had a chance to go back and do it again, I doubt they do the trade again. Based on the report today, no team appears willing to part with any significant draft picks for Lance, let alone 3 first and a 3rd.

They would be flat out insane to have not learned anything from this move. There's no way they make that trade in hindsight.

Why wouldn't they do it all over again? I mean it had no impact on the team, still went to two NFCCG

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I understand the argument, but the disagreement would lie in how we evaluate QB talent. Mac Jones might not become a great QB in this league, but it won't be because of physical limitations. It will be because of his brain.

I philosophically can't get behind prioritizing athletic traits at the position. They are awesome to have, no question, but they are down the list in terms of necessity. You have to show the basic components first, and if a player can excel in those areas they'll be successful.

I still prefer Lance to Fields. I think he's more promising in how I'd view QB talent.

I would disagree. Mac has a below average arm and little escapbility. He also is extremely dependent on everything going right to succeed offensively. If I recall Pats in 2021 were the worst team in the league at picking up firsts after a negative play on 1st down.

I can't philosophically get behind guys who need the supporting cast to carry them because of their limitations. Should've just traded the first in 21 for Kirk Cousins in that case.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
Why wouldn't they do it all over again? I mean it had no impact on the team, still went to two NFCCG

Of course I never said that

Was it "Franchise altering"?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
I would disagree. Mac has a below average arm and little escapbility. He also is extremely dependent on everything going right to succeed offensively. If I recall Pats in 2021 were the worst team in the league at picking up firsts after a negative play on 1st down.

I can't philosophically get behind guys who need the supporting cast to carry them because of their limitations. Should've just traded the first in 21 for Kirk Cousins in that case.

To be clear, I'm not drafting any of the three in hindsight. I'm just not making the move period. Can't force it. We could have potentially jumped up two spots and had our choice of the three anyway. It's not certain but it's plausible.

We struggle with value drafting. I think I saw you point that out yesterday. Another thing I agree with completely and this is the best example of it.