Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
I don't remember him getting butt hurt, but maybe I missed something. Didn't Matt Maiocco think the same? He's pretty well connected. Sims thought the same. Sims does come across as butt hurt though. IMO because him and Kyle are buddies and made him look dumb.

That's because he wasn't. This is just an example of a garden variety ad hominem argument in the direction of a guy offering unfavorable reports and sometimes opinions based on his reporting.

I thought I might have missed something. Based on what I've seen from him, I do find it hard to believe.

but to your point, it does happen here often. I just view as a form of deflection. We end up discussing the person instead of the actual report itself.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:


Wasn't Shefter the dude who was all butt hurt cause he said the trade was for Mac Jones.

I don't remember him getting butt hurt, but maybe I missed something. Didn't Matt Maiocco think the same? He's pretty well connected. Sims thought the same. Sims does come across as butt hurt though. IMO because him and Kyle are buddies and made him look dumb.

Maybe it was Simms who I was thinking about. I know Shefter has deep connections to the Shanahans writing his dads book and all. I just know some dudes who thought they knew who we traded up for got served crow and and did not enjoy it.

That's probably it.

Like I said, from what I've seen I don't see Schefter being like that. Simms on the other hand lol

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
I thought I might have missed something. Based on what I've seen from him, I do find it hard to believe.

but to your point, it does happen here often. I just view as a form of deflection. We end up discussing the person instead of the actual report itself.

Yep. Basically SOP… definitely not unique here or to sports arguments.

Florio was the one all butt hurt.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
I thought I might have missed something. Based on what I've seen from him, I do find it hard to believe.

but to your point, it does happen here often. I just view as a form of deflection. We end up discussing the person instead of the actual report itself.

Yep. Basically SOP… definitely not unique here or to sports arguments.

I agree.

Kinda wild that we traded all that to initially get mac jones, if those reports are true. Obviously we don't know how max would of done here if he was drafted here but man. Lol I just don't trust Kyle evaluating QBs. I liked mac as a prospect but I didn't think he would be special either

i still can't wrap my head around why Justin Fields wasn't in the discussion

Originally posted by tankle104:
Kinda wild that we traded all that to initially get mac jones, if those reports are true. Obviously we don't know how max would of done here if he was drafted here but man. Lol I just don't trust Kyle evaluating QBs. I liked mac as a prospect but I didn't think he would be special either

I think it's pretty safe to assume Mac would have looked good under Kyles coaching. Just like how if Lance plays and stays healthy he would look good. He's just an elite coach but QB talent evaluator may not be a strength of his. Seeing as how Fields may be the best of the 3 QBs

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Kinda wild that we traded all that to initially get mac jones, if those reports are true. Obviously we don't know how max would of done here if he was drafted here but man. Lol I just don't trust Kyle evaluating QBs. I liked mac as a prospect but I didn't think he would be special either

I think it's pretty safe to assume Mac would have looked good under Kyles coaching. Just like how if Lance plays and stays healthy he would look good. He's just an elite coach but QB talent evaluator may not be a strength of his. Seeing as how Fields may be the best of the 3 QBs

Hahaha I just edited my post and said I can't wrap my head around why fields wasn't in the running. I wanted us to get fields.

i know Mac would of done well here, our system would of been a great fit for his physical skill set. I just question how good we would of been. Better than jimmy? Who knows.

with the quality of coaching, talent, culture etc here - it's really hard to not look good. That's a big red flag for me with Lance. Lol it doesn't get much better of a situation than we have, no reason for you not to look awesome. Bad to average ball with what we have here is extremely alarming to me

im hoping Lance comes in more confident and refined this camp and makes a statement.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Kinda wild that we traded all that to initially get mac jones, if those reports are true. Obviously we don't know how max would of done here if he was drafted here but man. Lol I just don't trust Kyle evaluating QBs. I liked mac as a prospect but I didn't think he would be special either

i still can't wrap my head around why Justin Fields wasn't in the discussion

I think this interview is super misleading.

Kyle and Lynch specifically said they liked all three of the top quarterbacks. They traded up to ensure they got their #1 after completing their evaluations.

The media just jumped on Jones and ran wild with the assumption that it was him all the way, despite it never being truly confirmed by any legit sources. They knew we liked Jones, but they wrongly assumed we liked him the most and went all in on that and came out looking like fools because they relied on, at best, outdated information.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Kinda wild that we traded all that to initially get mac jones, if those reports are true. Obviously we don't know how max would of done here if he was drafted here but man. Lol I just don't trust Kyle evaluating QBs. I liked mac as a prospect but I didn't think he would be special either

i still can't wrap my head around why Justin Fields wasn't in the discussion

I think this interview is super misleading.

Kyle and Lynch specifically said they liked all three of the top quarterbacks. They traded up to ensure they got their #1 after completing their evaluations.

The media just jumped on Jones and ran wild with the assumption that it was him all the way, despite it never being truly confirmed by any legit sources. They knew we liked Jones, but they wrongly assumed we liked him the most and went all in on that and came out looking like fools because they relied on, at best, outdated information.

This is clown maneuvering imo. You don't pay the price, then do the homework. This is why I say they panicked. They knew they had a QB problem, QB durability with JG, and they chose to agree to the most prohibitively expensive solution, one could possibly come up with, prior to completing their full evaluations of the prospects.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Kinda wild that we traded all that to initially get mac jones, if those reports are true. Obviously we don't know how max would of done here if he was drafted here but man. Lol I just don't trust Kyle evaluating QBs. I liked mac as a prospect but I didn't think he would be special either

i still can't wrap my head around why Justin Fields wasn't in the discussion

I think this interview is super misleading.

Kyle and Lynch specifically said they liked all three of the top quarterbacks. They traded up to ensure they got their #1 after completing their evaluations.

The media just jumped on Jones and ran wild with the assumption that it was him all the way, despite it never being truly confirmed by any legit sources. They knew we liked Jones, but they wrongly assumed we liked him the most and went all in on that and came out looking like fools because they relied on, at best, outdated information.

This is clown maneuvering imo. You don't pay the price, then do the homework. This is why I say they panicked. They knew they had a QB problem, QB durability with JG, and they chose to agree to the most prohibitively expensive solution, one could possibly come up with, prior to completing their full evaluations of the prospects.

I don't mind it and hell I actually like it. Take risks and make damn sure you're in control of what happens.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
This is clown maneuvering imo. You don't pay the price, then do the homework. This is why I say they panicked. They knew they had a QB problem, QB durability with JG, and they chose to agree to the most prohibitively expensive solution, one could possibly come up with, prior to completing their full evaluations of the prospects.

It's probably not what actually happened. After the fact public statements and reports sourced from the same crew are not necessarily going to reflect the truth.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
If the team had a chance to go back and do it again, I doubt they do the trade again. Based on the report today, no team appears willing to part with any significant draft picks for Lance, let alone 3 first and a 3rd.

Shanny said as much last year, he said something to the effect of we would not go after a QB with such limited playing time as Trey and that it has been very difficult.

I got the impression trey was almost like starting from Zero.

Shanny did not say Trey had zero fundamentals or anything like that, but Trey clearly ended up a much larger project then Shanny expected.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Kinda wild that we traded all that to initially get mac jones, if those reports are true. Obviously we don't know how max would of done here if he was drafted here but man. Lol I just don't trust Kyle evaluating QBs. I liked mac as a prospect but I didn't think he would be special either

i still can't wrap my head around why Justin Fields wasn't in the discussion

I think this interview is super misleading.

Kyle and Lynch specifically said they liked all three of the top quarterbacks. They traded up to ensure they got their #1 after completing their evaluations.

The media just jumped on Jones and ran wild with the assumption that it was him all the way, despite it never being truly confirmed by any legit sources. They knew we liked Jones, but they wrongly assumed we liked him the most and went all in on that and came out looking like fools because they relied on, at best, outdated information.

This is clown maneuvering imo. You don't pay the price, then do the homework. This is why I say they panicked. They knew they had a QB problem, QB durability with JG, and they chose to agree to the most prohibitively expensive solution, one could possibly come up with, prior to completing their full evaluations of the prospects.

I don't mind it and hell I actually like it. Take risks and make damn sure you're in control of what happens.

Why do you like it?
Suppose they settled on Mac. Well great, you just flew up to 3, to take a guy who went 15.. and you owned pick 12 all along
my point is at least do your homework first, then see what move can be made, depending on the guy you want.

they probably were like 'oh no, what if some other QB needy team leap frogs us', but again, that's panicking. Never fall in love with one prospect, have a plan B.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Kinda wild that we traded all that to initially get mac jones, if those reports are true. Obviously we don't know how max would of done here if he was drafted here but man. Lol I just don't trust Kyle evaluating QBs. I liked mac as a prospect but I didn't think he would be special either

i still can't wrap my head around why Justin Fields wasn't in the discussion

I think this interview is super misleading.

Kyle and Lynch specifically said they liked all three of the top quarterbacks. They traded up to ensure they got their #1 after completing their evaluations.

The media just jumped on Jones and ran wild with the assumption that it was him all the way, despite it never being truly confirmed by any legit sources. They knew we liked Jones, but they wrongly assumed we liked him the most and went all in on that and came out looking like fools because they relied on, at best, outdated information.

This is clown maneuvering imo. You don't pay the price, then do the homework. This is why I say they panicked. They knew they had a QB problem, QB durability with JG, and they chose to agree to the most prohibitively expensive solution, one could possibly come up with, prior to completing their full evaluations of the prospects.

I don't mind it and hell I actually like it. Take risks and make damn sure you're in control of what happens.

Why do you like it?
Suppose they settled on Mac. Well great, you just flew up to 3, to take a guy who went 15.. and you owned pick 12 all along
my point is at least do your homework first, then see what move can be made, depending on the guy you want.

they probably were like 'oh no, what if some other QB needy team leap frogs us', but again, that's panicking. Never fall in love with one prospect, have a plan B.

So figure out the guy you want and hope he falls to you. Yeah I'll take the GM who moves up to secure the guy he wants