Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
So figure out the guy you want and hope he falls to you. Yeah I'll take the GM who moves up to secure the guy he wants

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
So figure out the guy you want and hope he falls to you. Yeah I'll take the GM who moves up to secure the guy he wants

But you're not actually describing what you think happened. They moved up to finish evaluations. It wasn't settled under this theory. And if they liked all three enough to move up and further evaluate, it stands to reason they didn't need to move up to get one of the three.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
They moved up to guarantee whoever they liked they would get. They weren't gonna risk losing the player. Kyle said there's no price he wouldn't pay to get a franchise QB or something to that effect. In a perfect world we know what teams are gonna draft but everyone knows the draft is unpredictable and they removed that element.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
They moved up to guarantee whoever they liked they would get. They weren't gonna risk losing the player. Kyle said there's no price he wouldn't pay to get a franchise QB or something to that effect. In a perfect world we know what teams are gonna draft but everyone knows the draft is unpredictable and they removed that element.

Respecting the fact you feel differently, this is atrocious management to the point that it's not actually believable… especially factoring in the outside circumstances after that trade.

The strategy is only slightly better if there is a singular player they knew they wanted.

In either case it is fully disregarding value. Probably a trade off of not having a traditional GM.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
If the trade worked I doubt anyone would say anything about it. If Lance looked like Mahomes 2.0 people would be elated. And it's not like they traded up the night before the draft they had ample time to go through the prospect and not have to worry about the Falcons taking their guy even though they ultimately took a TEish player the thought was they were going QB and probably wish they took Fields.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
If the trade worked I doubt anyone would say anything about it. If Lance looked like Mahomes 2.0 people would be elated. And it's not like they traded up the night before the draft they had ample time to go through the prospect and not have to worry about the Falcons taking their guy even though they ultimately took a TEish player the thought was they were going QB and probably wish they took Fields.

I'd counter that reckless gambles do work out some time, but they should still be evaluated for what they are. I'm not a big ends justify the means guy personally, lol.

I can't imagine the Falcons are upset about passing on Fields at this point, but his story isn't completed yet. Fields had some improvement last year, but that wasn't a high bar to clear. We'll see what happens going forward.

Originally posted by kray28:
Does Adam Schefter have any inside sources in the 49ers organization?

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I'd counter that reckless gambles do work out some time, but they should still be evaluated for what they are. I'm not a big ends justify the means guy personally, lol.

I can't imagine the Falcons are upset about passing on Fields at this point, but his story isn't completed yet. Fields had some improvement last year, but that wasn't a high bar to clear. We'll see what happens going forward.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
We are just water and oil lol. I'm a fortune favors the bold kinda person

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
I'd rather take my shot with Fields than Desmond Ridder.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
I'd rather take my shot with Fields than Desmond Ridder.

I can't speak on Ridder to be honest. I paid a s**tload of attention to Fields for obvious reasons.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Kinda wild that we traded all that to initially get mac jones, if those reports are true. Obviously we don't know how max would of done here if he was drafted here but man. Lol I just don't trust Kyle evaluating QBs. I liked mac as a prospect but I didn't think he would be special either

i still can't wrap my head around why Justin Fields wasn't in the discussion

I think this interview is super misleading.

Kyle and Lynch specifically said they liked all three of the top quarterbacks. They traded up to ensure they got their #1 after completing their evaluations.

The media just jumped on Jones and ran wild with the assumption that it was him all the way, despite it never being truly confirmed by any legit sources. They knew we liked Jones, but they wrongly assumed we liked him the most and went all in on that and came out looking like fools because they relied on, at best, outdated information.

This is clown maneuvering imo. You don't pay the price, then do the homework. This is why I say they panicked. They knew they had a QB problem, QB durability with JG, and they chose to agree to the most prohibitively expensive solution, one could possibly come up with, prior to completing their full evaluations of the prospects.

I don't mind it and hell I actually like it. Take risks and make damn sure you're in control of what happens.

Why do you like it?
Suppose they settled on Mac. Well great, you just flew up to 3, to take a guy who went 15.. and you owned pick 12 all along
my point is at least do your homework first, then see what move can be made, depending on the guy you want.

they probably were like 'oh no, what if some other QB needy team leap frogs us', but again, that's panicking. Never fall in love with one prospect, have a plan B.

So figure out the guy you want and hope he falls to you. Yeah I'll take the GM who moves up to secure the guy he wants

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Kinda wild that we traded all that to initially get mac jones, if those reports are true. Obviously we don't know how max would of done here if he was drafted here but man. Lol I just don't trust Kyle evaluating QBs. I liked mac as a prospect but I didn't think he would be special either

i still can't wrap my head around why Justin Fields wasn't in the discussion

I think this interview is super misleading.

Kyle and Lynch specifically said they liked all three of the top quarterbacks. They traded up to ensure they got their #1 after completing their evaluations.

The media just jumped on Jones and ran wild with the assumption that it was him all the way, despite it never being truly confirmed by any legit sources. They knew we liked Jones, but they wrongly assumed we liked him the most and went all in on that and came out looking like fools because they relied on, at best, outdated information.

This is clown maneuvering imo. You don't pay the price, then do the homework. This is why I say they panicked. They knew they had a QB problem, QB durability with JG, and they chose to agree to the most prohibitively expensive solution, one could possibly come up with, prior to completing their full evaluations of the prospects.

I don't mind it and hell I actually like it. Take risks and make damn sure you're in control of what happens.

Why do you like it?
Suppose they settled on Mac. Well great, you just flew up to 3, to take a guy who went 15.. and you owned pick 12 all along
my point is at least do your homework first, then see what move can be made, depending on the guy you want.

they probably were like 'oh no, what if some other QB needy team leap frogs us', but again, that's panicking. Never fall in love with one prospect, have a plan B.

So figure out the guy you want and hope he falls to you. Yeah I'll take the GM who moves up to secure the guy he wants

"Waterbear and SWH they are arguing that teams should go after lesser QBs because they are more affordable. This is just such bad strategy. You do everything you can to get the best QB you can. It's the most important position in sport not a position to skimp. Why should other clubs without a QB settle for inferior options?" -faithful6