Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

"And while they looked at the other prospects, they fell in love with the intangibles that Trey Lance demonstrated. He did testing and tested off the charts in terms of intelligence. They brought him in the building. The guy was ultra-impressive. And even though they traded up with the idea of picking Mac Jones, while doing their work, they became enamored with this guy and the upside that he had."

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/169626-schefter-there-trade-market-49ers-trey-lance/

So it turns out that was TL a great job interviewee and test taker, better than he is an NFL QB... got to give him credit here, he played the pre-draft hand he was dealt and turned it into a royal flush. He was able to shift the narrative from McCorkle to himself in the minds of 9er brass. Has to be ginormous amounts of buyer's dissonance now with this pick from ShannaLynch.... but they continue to put on a happy face.

I think more and more now they will not be able to trade TL and we see him let go at the end of year 4 when his option isn't exercised. Shannalynch would be disgraced now to move him for a day 3 pick, so next best option is to play the "we gave him time to develop and it didn't work out" card in order to save face.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
"There really was never a lot of interest in Trey Lance," Schefter said after being asked about other teams potentially pursuing the quarterback.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/169626-schefter-there-trade-market-49ers-trey-lance/

Should be no surprise here as I called this at the end of April... nobody in the league wants TL. Shanny is stuck with him for now and trying to make the best of it.

Schefter has talked out of his ass plenty of times and voiced his own opinions like they were reports then backtracked on them when called on it.

You're quick to paint that report as "nobody wants Trey" when it can simply be "everyone understood the 49ers weren't going to trade him for anything they'd be willing to pay"

Since people here live over the top analogies it would be like me saying "I'm not interested in owning a Rolls Royce Boat Tail" when the reality is I'm pretty sure they won't sell me one for what I would be willing to pay for a car.

This is not much different than the Deebo trade reports last year. Teams understood what it would take to pry him away and they simply weren't willing to do it. So why bother?

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
There were several people who felt VERY strongly Atlanta was taking Lance if he was there for them.

Media and fans perhaps? That certainly didn't seem like it was going to be the case based on their reaction to our pick and reporting around it. The team is going to have much better intel.

And let's put that idea aside for a moment and work on the basis that Schefter's report (that we traded up for Jones and moved off of him) is true… the point I'm making is valid whether the Falcons liked Lance or not. They were so convicted on a guy they traded a s**tload of high value assets to move up and guarantee his selection, and then moved off him in a matter of weeks. That's reckless to a point of flying by the seat of their pants.

The same guys whose reports people eat up when it suits them.

As for their reaction they were reacting to predicting the pick. In no way were they going to show disappointment. After we moved up they knew we were going QB. Clearly they didn't want Fields and Mac.

It's somewhat funny how people dismiss Trey being the pick but quick to claim we f'd up not taking Mahomes. I mean that's obvious in hindsight but as far as prospect status going into each draft Trey had much better buzz about him going top 5 than Mahomes. Hell it was a surprise that Mahomes went when he did and above Watson.

There was a lot of things teams clearly liked in Trey, I'm sure his talent, maturity and play at his age were front and center.

Not sure if they weren't posted already or if they were buried in the discussion of Schefter repeating his same opinion from the last two years like it was breaking news.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Kinda wild that we traded all that to initially get mac jones, if those reports are true. Obviously we don't know how max would of done here if he was drafted here but man. Lol I just don't trust Kyle evaluating QBs. I liked mac as a prospect but I didn't think he would be special either

i still can't wrap my head around why Justin Fields wasn't in the discussion

I think this interview is super misleading.

Kyle and Lynch specifically said they liked all three of the top quarterbacks. They traded up to ensure they got their #1 after completing their evaluations.

The media just jumped on Jones and ran wild with the assumption that it was him all the way, despite it never being truly confirmed by any legit sources. They knew we liked Jones, but they wrongly assumed we liked him the most and went all in on that and came out looking like fools because they relied on, at best, outdated information.

This is clown maneuvering imo. You don't pay the price, then do the homework. This is why I say they panicked. They knew they had a QB problem, QB durability with JG, and they chose to agree to the most prohibitively expensive solution, one could possibly come up with, prior to completing their full evaluations of the prospects.

Right, I find it really hard to believe that we made the largest trade in franchise history and one of the largest trades in the NFL for the last 10-20 years and we had no idea who we wanted and just started doing our homework at that point on three players.

i just can't imagine we didn't make it with a specific player in mind that we really wanted to make sure we would get. Whether that be Lance/Mac or whoever, then we changed our mind later.

it just seems ridiculous, especially when you factor in that we didn't NEED a QB. Lol ya know? I understand we would have liked an upgrade over Jimmy but it wasn't a dire situation.

the wild thing is that if Purdy didn't play as well as he did, our QB situation would be a s**t show right now. Lol like "you guys moved on from jimmy G, who was a very good QB for you and led you to a super bowl/NFC a couple of times for a QB who is extremely raw/inexperienced and always injured, former #3 bust with major turnover issues in Darnold, and Mr. irrelevant?" Lol we are really just lucky that Purdy seems to be a diamond in the rough.

regardless of how we look back at it, it happened. So I'm hoping that we solve our QB situation with either Purdy or Lance.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Trey Lance & George Kittle at TE University pic.twitter.com/z8NNEzZ0oS

— Coach Yac 🗣 (@Coach_Yac) June 21, 2023

Trey Lance ➡️ George Kittle

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— Coach Yac 🗣 (@Coach_Yac) June 21, 2023

Trey ➡️ George at Tight End University pic.twitter.com/53mZOgaTG6

— 49ers on NBCS (@NBCS49ers) June 21, 2023

Not sure if they weren't posted already or if they were buried in the discussion of Schefter repeating his same opinion from the last two years like it was breaking news.

I think this stuff is cool because Lance will hopefully go into camp more confident than before, which should help him perform.

im not saying Lance isn't a confident guy, because I think he is, but you need that kind of ridiculous hard headed confidence to be a top QB in this league. So I hope these things compound and transfer to camp.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Right, I find it really hard to believe that we made the largest trade in franchise history and one of the largest trades in the NFL for the last 10-20 years and we had no idea who we wanted and just started doing our homework at that point on three players.

i just can't imagine we didn't make it with a specific player in mind that we really wanted to make sure we would get. Whether that be Lance/Mac or whoever, then we changed our mind later.

it just seems ridiculous, especially when you factor in that we didn't NEED a QB. Lol ya know? I understand we would have liked an upgrade over Jimmy but it wasn't a dire situation.

the wild thing is that if Purdy didn't play as well as he did, our QB situation would be a s**t show right now. Lol like "you guys moved on from jimmy G, who was a very good QB for you and led you to a super bowl/NFC a couple of times for a QB who is extremely raw/inexperienced and always injured, former #3 bust with major turnover issues in Darnold, and Mr. irrelevant?" Lol we are really just lucky that Purdy seems to be a diamond in the rough.

regardless of how we look back at it, it happened. So I'm hoping that we solve our QB situation with either Purdy or Lance.

Jimmy didn't lead us to the SB. He was a passenger and yet when it came time where we needed to make a play or two in the SB he failed. All we needed was1 4th quarter drive from him and Niners are SB champs. But instead the offense had like 3 consecutive 3 and outs in the 4th quarter. Vs the Packers in the NFC championship in 2019 he threw like 7-9 passes. vs the Packers in the NFC divisional round in 2021 the offense failed to score a single TD and got bailed out by a special teams TD. Vs the Rams in the NFC championship, once again he only needed one 4th quarter drive to win that game and he failed. He has the worst 4th quarter QB rating in playoff history. He has more INT's than TD passes in the playoffs.

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Right, I find it really hard to believe that we made the largest trade in franchise history and one of the largest trades in the NFL for the last 10-20 years and we had no idea who we wanted and just started doing our homework at that point on three players.

i just can't imagine we didn't make it with a specific player in mind that we really wanted to make sure we would get. Whether that be Lance/Mac or whoever, then we changed our mind later.

it just seems ridiculous, especially when you factor in that we didn't NEED a QB. Lol ya know? I understand we would have liked an upgrade over Jimmy but it wasn't a dire situation.

the wild thing is that if Purdy didn't play as well as he did, our QB situation would be a s**t show right now. Lol like "you guys moved on from jimmy G, who was a very good QB for you and led you to a super bowl/NFC a couple of times for a QB who is extremely raw/inexperienced and always injured, former #3 bust with major turnover issues in Darnold, and Mr. irrelevant?" Lol we are really just lucky that Purdy seems to be a diamond in the rough.

regardless of how we look back at it, it happened. So I'm hoping that we solve our QB situation with either Purdy or Lance.

Jimmy didn't lead us to the SB. He was a passenger and yet when it came time where we needed to make a play or two in the SB he failed. All we needed was1 4th quarter drive from him and Niners are SB champs. But instead the offense had like 3 consecutive 3 and outs in the 4th quarter. Vs the Packers in the NFC championship in 2019 he threw like 7-9 passes. vs the Packers in the NFC divisional round in 2021 the offense failed to score a single TD and got bailed out by a special teams TD. Vs the Rams in the NFC championship, once again he only needed one 4th quarter drive to win that game and he failed. He has the worst 4th quarter QB rating in playoff history. He has more INT's than TD passes in the playoffs.

Jimmy obviously sucked at times in the playoffs (his best play was just average QB play in the playoffs), but getting to the super bowl is more than just playoff games. His confidence, composure, efficiency etc are all KEY reasons we won with him under center often and got as far as we did. You could argue he hurt us too at times in the playoffs, but it doesn't change the fact he was a key reason we won as much as we did and a key reason our team was able to get as far as we did.

he was a leader on the football team, beloved by his teammates. They were/are extremely supportive of him and enjoyed playing with/for him. Regardless of if people liked him or not, he was a leader on this team and helped lead us to a super bowl appearance.

of course hindsight is always 20/20 with things like the trade up for Lance. All I'm saying is that I think we handled it very strange before and after the trade, regardless of which player we took.

I remember actually being really surprised when we made the trade up, the whole sports world was. I'm not upset that we did it, I actually don't mind the team taking big swings for the most important position in sports. I just think the way it was executed then and now has been very odd. For example, you make a MAJOR trade like that and you're going to tell me you didn't know which player you were going to take? Lol come on. If that's true, that's pathetic. That only makes sense if you get the #1 pick and control everything. Not 3rd overall. Especially when you're not going to get the best qb available.

in my experience, second guessing yourself and changing your decision usually doesn't work in your favor. So if we did want Mac, and I don't know if we did or not, then changed to Lance - that's poor execution and lack of confidence in what you're doing. That's all I'm saying. My post isn't about Lance himself - It's directed at Kyle & Lynch.

Originally posted by genus49:
The same guys whose reports people eat up when it suits them.

As for their reaction they were reacting to predicting the pick. In no way were they going to show disappointment. After we moved up they knew we were going QB. Clearly they didn't want Fields and Mac.

It's somewhat funny how people dismiss Trey being the pick but quick to claim we f'd up not taking Mahomes. I mean that's obvious in hindsight but as far as prospect status going into each draft Trey had much better buzz about him going top 5 than Mahomes. Hell it was a surprise that Mahomes went when he did and above Watson.

There was a lot of things teams clearly liked in Trey, I'm sure his talent, maturity and play at his age were front and center.

To be clear, and I've agreed with you on this point in the past, I 100 percent think Kyle wanted Lance when he was selected. I do not believe for one second that the decision was forced on him, or that he was overruled.

I'm just not positive how he got there, and I think no matter how you slice it, or whatever theory a person wants to believe, the trade and selection was bad strategy and a reckless gamble.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
The same guys whose reports people eat up when it suits them.

As for their reaction they were reacting to predicting the pick. In no way were they going to show disappointment. After we moved up they knew we were going QB. Clearly they didn't want Fields and Mac.

It's somewhat funny how people dismiss Trey being the pick but quick to claim we f'd up not taking Mahomes. I mean that's obvious in hindsight but as far as prospect status going into each draft Trey had much better buzz about him going top 5 than Mahomes. Hell it was a surprise that Mahomes went when he did and above Watson.

There was a lot of things teams clearly liked in Trey, I'm sure his talent, maturity and play at his age were front and center.

To be clear, and I've agreed with you on this point in the past, I 100 percent think Kyle wanted Lance when he was selected. I do not believe for one second that the decision was forced on him, or that he was overruled.

I'm just not positive how he got there, and I think no matter how you slice it, or whatever theory a person wants to believe, the trade and selection was bad strategy and a reckless gamble.

I agree, I don't think Kyle would of, or could have, been forced into taking a QB he didn't want. He experienced that with RGIII and hated it when he was in Washington. Kyle ultimately came to the conclusion to take Lance.

yeah, it still boggles me. Ultimately, he must of got really excited about lances physical skill set and lances personality/character and believed he could become a great QB. I believe Kyle is quoted as saying "I think he can do the things we haven't seen on film from him", or something like that. Which Lance does have great physical tools & character, no doubt, but it was a crazy gamble like you said.

i personally didn't understand it because of how raw and inexperienced he was/is. I'm not trying to be an A-hole when I say this - essentially if Lance was a senior at a powerhouse highschool right now with this body of work when it comes to his mechanics/experience, he would be considered very raw and inexperienced. We are talking about a guy who is in his third year in the nfl and has 500 pass attempts in his life, hasn't played many games, doesn't have refined mechanics etc.

In my opinion, that isn't someone you make the largest trade in franchise history for, hand a super bowl roster, and expect much from for the first 2-3 years. You're going to plug an extremely raw and inexperienced kid in, whos only played at lower level/completion football, into a complex offense and ready to win team? That never made any sense to me because you have absolutely no idea what kind of player he is, how quickly he will adapt, how he will handle any of it. He's never had to. He's never been in those situations.

im not saying Trey can't do it, but like Smokey said, it's an insane gamble that you didn't have to take. Lol like at all. Trey would of been much better served going to a team like ATL or so and getting the time/experience he really needs to grow into the role/position.

Since we are in this position and did do all of that, I'm rooting for Trey to prove me wrong. I'll even root for him if he goes to another team. I just always felt like it was a wild trade and selection that didn't make much sense.

who knows, maybe Trey will start dominating and the next 15 years will be awesome with him leading us. That would be cool. Him or Purdy. I just want one of them to pan out.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
To be clear, and I've agreed with you on this point in the past, I 100 percent think Kyle wanted Lance when he was selected. I do not believe for one second that the decision was forced on him, or that he was overruled.

I'm just not positive how he got there, and I think no matter how you slice it, or whatever theory a person wants to believe, the trade and selection was bad strategy and a reckless gamble.

I agree, I don't think he was forced to draft Trey. I do think he preferred Mac but talked himself into Trey.

I agree the trade was a bad strategy and reckless gamble. To trade up just to take a QB without knowing who you even wanted.

I remember when posters here were convinced that shanalynch had always wanted Lance, and it was always Lance from the beginning.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

To be clear, and I've agreed with you on this point in the past, I 100 percent think Kyle wanted Lance when he was selected. I do not believe for one second that the decision was forced on him, or that he was overruled.

I'm just not positive how he got there, and I think no matter how you slice it, or whatever theory a person wants to believe, the trade and selection was bad strategy and a reckless gamble.

I agree, I don't think he was forced to draft Trey. I do think he preferred Mac but talked himself into Trey.

I agree the trade was a bad strategy and reckless gamble. To trade up just to take a QB without knowing who you even wanted.

Yup. The media was kinda clowning him and the fans were already pissed, and we hadn't even drafted Mac yet lol. Then there were the pro Trey guys within the organization in his ear. After Treys interviews and testing went amazing is when Kyle started talking himself into it

"I started believing I'll see what I don't see"

Or whatever he said

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Yup. The media was kinda clowning him and the fans were already pissed, and we hadn't even drafted Mac yet lol. Then there were the pro Trey guys within the organization in his ear. After Treys interviews and testing went amazing is when Kyle started talking himself into it

"I started believing I'll see what I don't see"

Or whatever he said

"you have to believe in what you don't see and what you believe you will see" I think is his quote. Which blows my mind every time I think about it. 3 1st round picks on someone you clearly didn't see what you wanted to see.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I can't wait for all this bs to end one way or another.

Me too.

I'm always glass half full with 49er players, but in recent history with 49er QBs, once the general consensus gets critical on them, it almost never gets proven wrong.

Alex Smith
Colin Kaepernick
Jimmy Garoppolo

I hate that Trey could/already is there. If he can prove the world wrong, then it would have taken 3 Niner QBs to do it.

I still think there have been too few passing attempts to judge him completely, when you have recent history of Justin Fields, Jalen Hurts getting better and of course the Josh Allen extreme example. IMO the improvement seen in Hurts was quite dramatic, and I definitely saw him as worse than Lance pre-2022, just like I saw Josh Allen as worse than Jimmy pre-2020...........both takes far far far less extreme than my critical takes on Russell Wilson during his better seasons, lol.

I can emphatically say 10000% until the end of time, I've been totally fine with Kyle drafting Trey over McCorkle. McCorkle IMO could never have done what Purdy has done in the quick pinch, even with this elite roster. And we're talking a 1st rounder versus 7th.

Trey in theory could still be very good and possibly be a big difference maker when things go wrong. I theorized Trey would have won the game in Denver last year 100%, and with this stacked team could've won some ugly games if necessary until he got more fluid as a QB.

Remember guys, outside of Burrow and Herbert, the mobile guy is the model of the NFL franchise QB going forward. If it wasn't for that, I'm pretty sure Kyle wouldn't have gone that direction.