Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

At least we didn't draft Zach Wilson. I have to admit if he was available I would have selected him but I clearly had Fields over Lance and McCorkies on my board and the proof is in the draft thread. With all this said, I really really hope Lance emerges as a top-flight QB soon whether it's with us or another team.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
"And while they looked at the other prospects, they fell in love with the intangibles that Trey Lance demonstrated. He did testing and tested off the charts in terms of intelligence. They brought him in the building. The guy was ultra-impressive. And even though they traded up with the idea of picking Mac Jones, while doing their work, they became enamored with this guy and the upside that he had."

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/169626-schefter-there-trade-market-49ers-trey-lance/

So it turns out that was TL a great job interviewee and test taker, better than he is an NFL QB... got to give him credit here, he played the pre-draft hand he was dealt and turned it into a royal flush. He was able to shift the narrative from McCorkle to himself in the minds of 9er brass. Has to be ginormous amounts of buyer's dissonance now with this pick from ShannaLynch.... but they continue to put on a happy face.

I think more and more now they will not be able to trade TL and we see him let go at the end of year 4 when his option isn't exercised. Shannalynch would be disgraced now to move him for a day 3 pick, so next best option is to play the "we gave him time to develop and it didn't work out" card in order to save face.

How do you know he will not be a good NFL QB? Or are you the QB expert who can tell good QBs after 5 games?

would love to know what your thoughts were after Peyton Mannings rookie year where he threw 28 interceptions. Or maybe Joe Montana and Steve Young's slow starts? Did you write Josh Allen off? Trevor Lawrence? Aaron Rodgers?

It's in our interests to keep him - for now.

We can't get anything for him in a trade - yet.

We really don't know if Brock will be ready and if his injury will negatively impact his performance.

He know the system and the playbook and if he's called into action will be able to execute it - I hope.

And, in truth, none of us really know if he be excellent or not.

Originally posted by miked1978:
How do you know he will not be a good NFL QB? Or are you the QB expert who can tell good QBs after 5 games?

would love to know what your thoughts were after Peyton Mannings rookie year where he threw 28 interceptions. Or maybe Joe Montana and Steve Young's slow starts? Did you write Josh Allen off? Trevor Lawrence? Aaron Rodgers?

He's just talking out of his butt as usual like half the posters in this thread.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Kinda wild that we traded all that to initially get mac jones, if those reports are true. Obviously we don't know how max would of done here if he was drafted here but man. Lol I just don't trust Kyle evaluating QBs. I liked mac as a prospect but I didn't think he would be special either

i still can't wrap my head around why Justin Fields wasn't in the discussion

I think this interview is super misleading.

Kyle and Lynch specifically said they liked all three of the top quarterbacks. They traded up to ensure they got their #1 after completing their evaluations.

The media just jumped on Jones and ran wild with the assumption that it was him all the way, despite it never being truly confirmed by any legit sources. They knew we liked Jones, but they wrongly assumed we liked him the most and went all in on that and came out looking like fools because they relied on, at best, outdated information.

This is clown maneuvering imo. You don't pay the price, then do the homework. This is why I say they panicked. They knew they had a QB problem, QB durability with JG, and they chose to agree to the most prohibitively expensive solution, one could possibly come up with, prior to completing their full evaluations of the prospects.

I don't mind it and hell I actually like it. Take risks and make damn sure you're in control of what happens.

Why do you like it?
Suppose they settled on Mac. Well great, you just flew up to 3, to take a guy who went 15.. and you owned pick 12 all along
my point is at least do your homework first, then see what move can be made, depending on the guy you want.

they probably were like 'oh no, what if some other QB needy team leap frogs us', but again, that's panicking. Never fall in love with one prospect, have a plan B.

So figure out the guy you want and hope he falls to you. Yeah I'll take the GM who moves up to secure the guy he wants

"Waterbear and SWH they are arguing that teams should go after lesser QBs because they are more affordable. This is just such bad strategy. You do everything you can to get the best QB you can. It's the most important position in sport not a position to skimp. Why should other clubs without a QB settle for inferior options?" -faithful6

This just got awkward

When ppl take remarks for totally different conversations that are being had, with completely different specifics, years ago(?), and paste them in out of context, that tends to happen

The context wasn't too different. This was in the Jimmy G trade value thread. But faithful was speaking generally about what teams should want in acquiring QBs.

Like Hysterikal said, there's nothing wrong with changing your mind and there's nothing wrong with having a low opinion about Trey. I'm genuinely just tired of the hypocrisy.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
The context wasn't too different. This was in the Jimmy G trade value thread. But faithful was speaking generally about what teams should want in acquiring QBs.

Like Hysterikal said, there's nothing wrong with changing your mind and there's nothing wrong with having a low opinion about Trey. I'm genuinely just tired of the hypocrisy.

Amen Waterbear

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by miked1978:

How do you know he will not be a good NFL QB? Or are you the QB expert who can tell good QBs after 5 games?

would love to know what your thoughts were after Peyton Mannings rookie year where he threw 28 interceptions. Or maybe Joe Montana and Steve Young's slow starts? Did you write Josh Allen off? Trevor Lawrence? Aaron Rodgers?

He's just talking out of his butt as usual like half the posters in this thread.

Just going off what we know

- There is no special film of him at any level

- He's played one full season, and it was on the little league globetrotters. They had Christian Watson and they were still run first

- He has sucked in the NFL in a great situation. Small sample, but it align with what we've seen in pre season and heard from practice reports

- The biggest one imo, is that the organization that invested so much in him is done after 4 starts. He has to suck if that's the case. There is no other answer. He would have been given so much support this offseason if they believed in him

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Just going off what we know

- There is no special film of him at any level

- He's played one full season, and it was on the little league globetrotters. They had Christian Watson and they were still run first

- He has sucked in the NFL in a great situation. Small sample, but it align with what we've seen in pre season and heard from practice reports

- The biggest one imo, is that the organization that invested so much in him is done after 4 starts. He has to suck if that's the case. There is no other answer. He would have been given so much support this offseason if they believed in him

Dude! WTF are you talking about. Trey is 1-0 He beat the Texans in a must win game. That's the only game that you can judge Trey.

As for practice reports and preseason games. Did you forget his TD to Sherfield? What about his rolling left and throwing deep his pro day. You adding that into your report? Not too mention the mother of them all. He threw a pass while in the presence of Patrick F'ing Mahomes. Judge him by those 3 passes not the other 100+ passes. Fake fan!!!!!

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Just going off what we know

- There is no special film of him at any level

- He's played one full season, and it was on the little league globetrotters. They had Christian Watson and they were still run first

- He has sucked in the NFL in a great situation. Small sample, but it align with what we've seen in pre season and heard from practice reports

- The biggest one imo, is that the organization that invested so much in him is done after 4 starts. He has to suck if that's the case. There is no other answer. He would have been given so much support this offseason if they believed in him

I would not say that he sucked so much as he did but flash as much as you would hope for his draft position or hit the ground running and just dominate.

It's pretty expected that rookies will be kind of mediocre their first few games. He never showed the type of improvisation that purdy has shown to just make plays happen when things get bad. Nor has he shown he can just carve up defenses or dominate with his legs.

Basically he's missing the "it" factor of any of the above mentioned items.

The prime example was the bears game where it only took like one or two plays to will a win and he just did not make them.

Purdy played outstanding for a rookie so it's understandable lance would be given almost no support this off-season.

There's no guarantee purdy will be any good. It's like half the guys that were that good their rookie season ended up being good long term. It's worse odds with lance though. Given all that was shown in the first two years and his lack of playing time id venture to imagine the statistics for him being great are <10% at this point.

It's smarter to play the odds and support the guy who has better odds i.e. purdy in this case.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
The context wasn't too different. This was in the Jimmy G trade value thread. But faithful was speaking generally about what teams should want in acquiring QBs.

Like Hysterikal said, there's nothing wrong with changing your mind and there's nothing wrong with having a low opinion about Trey. I'm genuinely just tired of the hypocrisy.

the hypocrisy is creating a thread where JG is 'holding us back'.. let's see a TL thread where you ask if the TL trade, and the swap of three ones, is holding us back

I said QB is an important position - it is
I said you want to invest - you do
this doesn't mean all investments, are smart investments, heck we could pay Matt Ryan $60m for one season, it would be dumb as rocks, but it would be 'not skimping' at the position.. so sure invest at the position, pay fair market value or even beyond, but for the best QB you can obtain.. was that TL? With Fields on the clock? Or BP coming next year, who is a better QB? Is TL even any good? I will leave that for you to decide.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Just going off what we know

- There is no special film of him at any level

- He's played one full season, and it was on the little league globetrotters. They had Christian Watson and they were still run first

- He has sucked in the NFL in a great situation. Small sample, but it align with what we've seen in pre season and heard from practice reports

- The biggest one imo, is that the organization that invested so much in him is done after 4 starts. He has to suck if that's the case. There is no other answer. He would have been given so much support this offseason if they believed in him

Dude! WTF are you talking about. Trey is 1-0 He beat the Texans in a must win game. That's the only game that you can judge Trey.

As for practice reports and preseason games. Did you forget his TD to Sherfield? What about his rolling left and throwing deep his pro day. You adding that into your report? Not too mention the mother of them all. He threw a pass while in the presence of Patrick F'ing Mahomes. Judge him by those 3 passes not the other 100+ passes. Fake fan!!!!!

This is one of your worst posts, Krizay. Congrats.

If anyone's been speaking in hyperbole, it's Charlie, which you conveniently ignore.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
The context wasn't too different. This was in the Jimmy G trade value thread. But faithful was speaking generally about what teams should want in acquiring QBs.

Like Hysterikal said, there's nothing wrong with changing your mind and there's nothing wrong with having a low opinion about Trey. I'm genuinely just tired of the hypocrisy.

the hypocrisy is creating a thread where JG is 'holding us back'.. let's see a TL thread where you ask if the TL trade, and the swap of three ones, is holding us back

I said QB is an important position - it is
I said you want to invest - you do
this doesn't mean all investments, are smart investments, heck we could pay Matt Ryan $60m for one season, it would be dumb as rocks, but it would be 'not skimping' at the position.. so sure invest at the position, pay fair market value or even beyond, but for the best QB you can obtain.. was that TL? With Fields on the clock? Or BP coming next year, who is a better QB? Is TL even any good? I will leave that for you to decide.

Hahaha… good one faithful. You always deflect instead of acknowledging your claims. That's your only comeback.

There have been many threads about trading Trey Lance. If you were consistent, you would be upset with those threads as well. But of course you're not.

You're mad because I caught you, once again, completely contradicting yourself. I've seen many, I repeat MANY people call you out on your flip flopping. So don't act like it's only me. If you don't believe me, I can post them for everyone to see.

BTW. The 100% completely unbiased thread I made was about Kyle and Jimmy, and "who holds the offense back more". Which doesn't say either of them are the main reason, in fact, I posted in that thread that it's a combination of things that I wouldn't put solely on Jimmy or Kyle. You and others quickly called me a Jimmy hater, but it's funny no one called me a Kyle hater.

I wonder why that was?

Originally posted by Waterbear:
This is one of your worst posts, Krizay. Congrats.

If anyone's been speaking in hyperbole, it's Charlie, which you conveniently ignore.

Lance should injure opponents like the good NFL prospects do

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
The context wasn't too different. This was in the Jimmy G trade value thread. But faithful was speaking generally about what teams should want in acquiring QBs.

Like Hysterikal said, there's nothing wrong with changing your mind and there's nothing wrong with having a low opinion about Trey. I'm genuinely just tired of the hypocrisy.

the hypocrisy is creating a thread where JG is 'holding us back'.. let's see a TL thread where you ask if the TL trade, and the swap of three ones, is holding us back

I said QB is an important position - it is
I said you want to invest - you do
this doesn't mean all investments, are smart investments, heck we could pay Matt Ryan $60m for one season, it would be dumb as rocks, but it would be 'not skimping' at the position.. so sure invest at the position, pay fair market value or even beyond, but for the best QB you can obtain.. was that TL? With Fields on the clock? Or BP coming next year, who is a better QB? Is TL even any good? I will leave that for you to decide.

Hahaha… good one faithful. You always deflect instead of acknowledging your claims. That's your only comeback.

There have been many threads about trading Trey Lance. If you were consistent, you would be upset with those threads as well. But of course you're not.

You're mad because I caught you, once again, completely contradicting yourself. I've seen many, I repeat MANY people call you out on your flip flopping. So don't act like it's only me. If you don't believe me, I can post them for everyone to see.

BTW. The 100% completely unbiased thread I made was about Kyle and Jimmy, and "who holds the offense back more". Which doesn't say either of them are the main reason, in fact, I posted in that thread that it's a combination of things that I wouldn't put solely on Jimmy or Kyle. You and others quickly called me a Jimmy hater, but it's funny no one called me a Kyle hater.

I wonder why that was?

Lol where is the flip flop? I stand by every word. You leave out the quality aspect. I said you don't want to settle for inferior options. Is TL superior to Mac? Is he superior to Fields? Is he superior to BP? Darnold? Anybody? You are not comprehending or reading the full post. Who exactly is TL superior to?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Lol where is the flip flop? I stand by every word. You leave out the quality aspect. I said you don't want to settle for inferior options. Is TL superior to Mac? Is he superior to Fields? Is he superior to BP? Darnold? Anybody? You are not comprehending or reading the full post. Who exactly is TL superior to?

Who is Sam Howell superior to?