Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

When you don't pick a QB and stick with him you get all this trolling media trash we getting now

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
When you don't pick a QB and stick with him you get all this trolling media trash we getting now

I agree with that except in this case we have 3 QBs all about the same age. None of the 3 has proven beyond a doubt that he will be the guy going into the future. Brock had a very good 7 games last year but now has to show he can keep tha tup while coming back from injury. Trey has to show that he's actually improved his throwing and that he can stay healthy. Darnold needs to show that he actually is the guy that the Jets hoped he was when they drafted him. Any of these guys could start and be effective. Which is best is up to Kyle.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Everything you said is nonsense.

1. Peyton manning didn't have a slow start. Lmao he was 3rd in the nfl in Passing yards and 5th in passing touchdowns. Yes, he lead the league in picks but he was on a bad team that leaned on him. He showed he was a superstar in the making, he just needed to work on the INT. His second year they went 13-3. Complete nonsense.

2. Joe montana didn't have a slow start? He just wasn't starting? He was also a 3rd round pick. No one was expecting him to be some future star that was drafted high in the first round. His first year starting full time he won the super bowl?

3. Steve young is like one of the only examples in nfl history where someone got off to a really rough start, left a team, and went on to be amazing and win a Super Bowl. He went to the USFL and not the NFL initially.

4. Josh allen wasn't off to a slow start. Lol It was clear he was talented. He had one question mark and it was his accuracy. That's all.

5. Trevor Lawrence: you can't win in this league with bad coaching and bad talent around you. In Lawrence case, he had probably the worst coach in NFL history. Lmao Lawrence was someone you KNEW was a bonafide generational talent and he wasn't the issue.

6. Aaron Rodgers didn't even play his first few years cause Farve was tearing it up. When Rodgers actually took over, he was great and continued to get better. Won a super bowl in what, his third year starting?

so stop with this nonsense. Lance has a great team around him, great coaching, great offensive playbook/calling, great culture etc. he has no excuse. He's extremely raw and inexperienced and I don't think he was ready to take on the mantle of leading a Super Bowl expectation team with tons of pro bowlers and all pros. I never thought it was the right pick and It's unfortunate how it's played out.

but stop using ridiculous examples, that I know you heard on the Krueg show lmao, because it's nonsense. Learn to look into these things.

lol Manning was league MVP his 2nd season. Saying he started slow is 100% accurate when you consider the rest of his career.

Same for Joe Montana, not the example I would've brought up but it still applies. Not all his fault of course but the example still fits.

Young everyone knows about - don't let me catch you hyping up Sam Darnold with the post above tho.

Josh Allen wasn't a slow starter lol? You joking right? His only issue was accuracy? He had highlight videos on how bad his accuracy was. Buffalo fans were furious at him and thought he was a bust.

In fact he was such a great comparison to Trey the dude even did a draft video for Trey, clearly people thought they were similar.

Lawrence clearly was held back by coaching but he also wasn't good. Still a solid example of a prospect even as good as Lawrence needing time to shake off the rust.

You can also add Jalen Hurts and Justin Fields. Both weren't exactly lighting the world on fire their first few starts. Team played them and let them develop and now they look like great players moving forward.

So manning started slow, even though he was top 5 in the nfl in touchdowns and yards as a rookie, just because he went on to have a HOF career? Lmao that's ridiculous.

starting slow is poor play. Manning held a ton of rookie records for like 10-15 years after his rookie year.

Stsrting slow isn't "because he didn't have as good of a season as he did the rest of his career". Lmao come on.

Manning had a 71.5 QB Rating as a rookie, more ints than TDs, a 56% completion rate, and only 6.5 Y/A. The reason he had so many yards is because he had nearly 600 attempts. If Manning was given only 3 starts to prove himself (like Trey) then his stat line would be 2 TDs and 8 ints and a 41 QB Rating and averaging 9 pts a game. Would you bet that someone with that stat line would go on to become a HOFer and arguably top-5 QB all-time?

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Everything you said is nonsense.

1. Peyton manning didn't have a slow start. Lmao he was 3rd in the nfl in Passing yards and 5th in passing touchdowns. Yes, he lead the league in picks but he was on a bad team that leaned on him. He showed he was a superstar in the making, he just needed to work on the INT. His second year they went 13-3. Complete nonsense.

2. Joe montana didn't have a slow start? He just wasn't starting? He was also a 3rd round pick. No one was expecting him to be some future star that was drafted high in the first round. His first year starting full time he won the super bowl?

3. Steve young is like one of the only examples in nfl history where someone got off to a really rough start, left a team, and went on to be amazing and win a Super Bowl. He went to the USFL and not the NFL initially.

4. Josh allen wasn't off to a slow start. Lol It was clear he was talented. He had one question mark and it was his accuracy. That's all.

5. Trevor Lawrence: you can't win in this league with bad coaching and bad talent around you. In Lawrence case, he had probably the worst coach in NFL history. Lmao Lawrence was someone you KNEW was a bonafide generational talent and he wasn't the issue.

6. Aaron Rodgers didn't even play his first few years cause Farve was tearing it up. When Rodgers actually took over, he was great and continued to get better. Won a super bowl in what, his third year starting?

so stop with this nonsense. Lance has a great team around him, great coaching, great offensive playbook/calling, great culture etc. he has no excuse. He's extremely raw and inexperienced and I don't think he was ready to take on the mantle of leading a Super Bowl expectation team with tons of pro bowlers and all pros. I never thought it was the right pick and It's unfortunate how it's played out.

but stop using ridiculous examples, that I know you heard on the Krueg show lmao, because it's nonsense. Learn to look into these things.

lol Manning was league MVP his 2nd season. Saying he started slow is 100% accurate when you consider the rest of his career.

Same for Joe Montana, not the example I would've brought up but it still applies. Not all his fault of course but the example still fits.

Young everyone knows about - don't let me catch you hyping up Sam Darnold with the post above tho.

Josh Allen wasn't a slow starter lol? You joking right? His only issue was accuracy? He had highlight videos on how bad his accuracy was. Buffalo fans were furious at him and thought he was a bust.

In fact he was such a great comparison to Trey the dude even did a draft video for Trey, clearly people thought they were similar.

Lawrence clearly was held back by coaching but he also wasn't good. Still a solid example of a prospect even as good as Lawrence needing time to shake off the rust.

You can also add Jalen Hurts and Justin Fields. Both weren't exactly lighting the world on fire their first few starts. Team played them and let them develop and now they look like great players moving forward.

So manning started slow, even though he was top 5 in the nfl in touchdowns and yards as a rookie, just because he went on to have a HOF career? Lmao that's ridiculous.

starting slow is poor play. Manning held a ton of rookie records for like 10-15 years after his rookie year.

Stsrting slow isn't "because he didn't have as good of a season as he did the rest of his career". Lmao come on.

Manning had a 71.5 QB Rating as a rookie, more ints than TDs, a 56% completion rate, and only 6.5 Y/A. The reason he had so many yards is because he had nearly 600 attempts. If Manning was given only 3 starts to prove himself (like Trey) then his stat line would be 2 TDs and 8 ints and a 41 QB Rating and averaging 9 pts a game. Would you bet that someone with that stat line would go on to become a HOFer and arguably top-5 QB all-time?

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I'm not objecting to anyone concluding the trade up to 3 overall was a mistake, fans have voiced their displeasure with Trey all offseason, I don't see anything wrong with that.

I'm objecting to the fact that...

1. You act like we knowingly traded up for an inferior player to what was on the board. According to you, we didn't do our homework before trading up to 3, we basically just traded up and started to review the film afterwards. Adam Schefter was wrong in his report that we were taking Mac Jones, but we should assume he's right in his latest report? I'm not saying we know the report is false but we certainly don't know that its true.

2. You claim teams shouldn't "skimp" out on the QB position when it's convenient in defending Jimmy, but with Trey, you say we should have cared more about "value". Besides the fact this is a textbook example of revisionist history, you're contradicting your own previous arguments. How could you not conclude that Kyle and John didn't do, "everything they can to get the best QB they could."?

These weren't reports. They were opinions presumably based on information that was relayed to him.

Not trying to be nitpicky, but there is a clear difference. Schefter is a credible NFL reporter. His opinions are not infallible.

Are you talking about the first or second one? Because I'm pretty sure you called the first one a report a couple pages back, did you not?

I don't think anyone views Schefter as an opinion guy, even Haberman breaks down the Pat Macafee video and said Schefter reports what someone is telling him. That's not an opinion piece.



Even if it was an opinion, it wouldn't matter because many 49ers fans who don't like Trey have been using this "opinion" as if it was a FACT. You can't deny that.

I'm all for being corrected, but I don't understand this distinction.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Just going off what we know

- There is no special film of him at any level

- He's played one full season, and it was on the little league globetrotters. They had Christian Watson and they were still run first

- He has sucked in the NFL in a great situation. Small sample, but it align with what we've seen in pre season and heard from practice reports

- The biggest one imo, is that the organization that invested so much in him is done after 4 starts. He has to suck if that's the case. There is no other answer. He would have been given so much support this offseason if they believed in him

Dude! WTF are you talking about. Trey is 1-0 He beat the Texans in a must win game. That's the only game that you can judge Trey.

As for practice reports and preseason games. Did you forget his TD to Sherfield? What about his rolling left and throwing deep his pro day. You adding that into your report? Not too mention the mother of them all. He threw a pass while in the presence of Patrick F'ing Mahomes. Judge him by those 3 passes not the other 100+ passes. Fake fan!!!!!

You should be embarrassed with yourselves being this dramatic

Lets not act like some of you haven't propped this up to make him look like he was all world.

That one btw is my favorite, TL beat tue Texans which was a must win game. Lmfao

Facts can be hilarious.

The reason why a lot of us bring up that game is because it's the one game he had with players similar to what Brock played with and in normal conditions field wise. And even then nobody is saying that's the only game to judge him off just pointing out that the Houston game should hold more water(no pun intended) than the Chicago game without Kittle/CMC in the pouring rain or the Arizona game few weeks after he broke his finger, no Kittle and a hurting Mitchell.

The fact that the game was a must win is indisputable. You guys feel free to do all the mental gymnastics and diminish that game but that's the one thing you shouldn't laugh at as if its BS.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Lets not act like some of you haven't propped this up to make him look like he was all world.

That one btw is my favorite, TL beat tue Texans which was a must win game. Lmfao

You have Lance confused with a former 9ers QB.

Even NY doesn't think Lance is all world

Duh why would I bring up the ex-9er or former 49ers QB in a Trey Lance thread?? Aww was that way to try and take a shot at me.

Bc your comment is full of s**t lol. Who thinks Trey is all world?

You're comment is full of s**t and wrong. I didn't say you guys were sating he was all world. Read it again.

You're so angry you can't even put together a coherent sentence. Chill out.

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Everything you said is nonsense.

1. Peyton manning didn't have a slow start. Lmao he was 3rd in the nfl in Passing yards and 5th in passing touchdowns. Yes, he lead the league in picks but he was on a bad team that leaned on him. He showed he was a superstar in the making, he just needed to work on the INT. His second year they went 13-3. Complete nonsense.

2. Joe montana didn't have a slow start? He just wasn't starting? He was also a 3rd round pick. No one was expecting him to be some future star that was drafted high in the first round. His first year starting full time he won the super bowl?

3. Steve young is like one of the only examples in nfl history where someone got off to a really rough start, left a team, and went on to be amazing and win a Super Bowl. He went to the USFL and not the NFL initially.

4. Josh allen wasn't off to a slow start. Lol It was clear he was talented. He had one question mark and it was his accuracy. That's all.

5. Trevor Lawrence: you can't win in this league with bad coaching and bad talent around you. In Lawrence case, he had probably the worst coach in NFL history. Lmao Lawrence was someone you KNEW was a bonafide generational talent and he wasn't the issue.

6. Aaron Rodgers didn't even play his first few years cause Farve was tearing it up. When Rodgers actually took over, he was great and continued to get better. Won a super bowl in what, his third year starting?

so stop with this nonsense. Lance has a great team around him, great coaching, great offensive playbook/calling, great culture etc. he has no excuse. He's extremely raw and inexperienced and I don't think he was ready to take on the mantle of leading a Super Bowl expectation team with tons of pro bowlers and all pros. I never thought it was the right pick and It's unfortunate how it's played out.

but stop using ridiculous examples, that I know you heard on the Krueg show lmao, because it's nonsense. Learn to look into these things.

lol Manning was league MVP his 2nd season. Saying he started slow is 100% accurate when you consider the rest of his career.

Same for Joe Montana, not the example I would've brought up but it still applies. Not all his fault of course but the example still fits.

Young everyone knows about - don't let me catch you hyping up Sam Darnold with the post above tho.

Josh Allen wasn't a slow starter lol? You joking right? His only issue was accuracy? He had highlight videos on how bad his accuracy was. Buffalo fans were furious at him and thought he was a bust.

In fact he was such a great comparison to Trey the dude even did a draft video for Trey, clearly people thought they were similar.

Lawrence clearly was held back by coaching but he also wasn't good. Still a solid example of a prospect even as good as Lawrence needing time to shake off the rust.

You can also add Jalen Hurts and Justin Fields. Both weren't exactly lighting the world on fire their first few starts. Team played them and let them develop and now they look like great players moving forward.

So manning started slow, even though he was top 5 in the nfl in touchdowns and yards as a rookie, just because he went on to have a HOF career? Lmao that's ridiculous.

starting slow is poor play. Manning held a ton of rookie records for like 10-15 years after his rookie year.

Stsrting slow isn't "because he didn't have as good of a season as he did the rest of his career". Lmao come on.

Manning had a 71.5 QB Rating as a rookie, more ints than TDs, a 56% completion rate, and only 6.5 Y/A. The reason he had so many yards is because he had nearly 600 attempts. If Manning was given only 3 starts to prove himself (like Trey) then his stat line would be 2 TDs and 8 ints and a 41 QB Rating and averaging 9 pts a game. Would you bet that someone with that stat line would go on to become a HOFer and arguably top-5 QB all-time?

we played rook Manning, he gave Steve all he could handle, do we forget this one, this was before TLs time

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Everything you said is nonsense.

1. Peyton manning didn't have a slow start. Lmao he was 3rd in the nfl in Passing yards and 5th in passing touchdowns. Yes, he lead the league in picks but he was on a bad team that leaned on him. He showed he was a superstar in the making, he just needed to work on the INT. His second year they went 13-3. Complete nonsense.

2. Joe montana didn't have a slow start? He just wasn't starting? He was also a 3rd round pick. No one was expecting him to be some future star that was drafted high in the first round. His first year starting full time he won the super bowl?

3. Steve young is like one of the only examples in nfl history where someone got off to a really rough start, left a team, and went on to be amazing and win a Super Bowl. He went to the USFL and not the NFL initially.

4. Josh allen wasn't off to a slow start. Lol It was clear he was talented. He had one question mark and it was his accuracy. That's all.

5. Trevor Lawrence: you can't win in this league with bad coaching and bad talent around you. In Lawrence case, he had probably the worst coach in NFL history. Lmao Lawrence was someone you KNEW was a bonafide generational talent and he wasn't the issue.

6. Aaron Rodgers didn't even play his first few years cause Farve was tearing it up. When Rodgers actually took over, he was great and continued to get better. Won a super bowl in what, his third year starting?

so stop with this nonsense. Lance has a great team around him, great coaching, great offensive playbook/calling, great culture etc. he has no excuse. He's extremely raw and inexperienced and I don't think he was ready to take on the mantle of leading a Super Bowl expectation team with tons of pro bowlers and all pros. I never thought it was the right pick and It's unfortunate how it's played out.

but stop using ridiculous examples, that I know you heard on the Krueg show lmao, because it's nonsense. Learn to look into these things.

lol Manning was league MVP his 2nd season. Saying he started slow is 100% accurate when you consider the rest of his career.

Same for Joe Montana, not the example I would've brought up but it still applies. Not all his fault of course but the example still fits.

Young everyone knows about - don't let me catch you hyping up Sam Darnold with the post above tho.

Josh Allen wasn't a slow starter lol? You joking right? His only issue was accuracy? He had highlight videos on how bad his accuracy was. Buffalo fans were furious at him and thought he was a bust.

In fact he was such a great comparison to Trey the dude even did a draft video for Trey, clearly people thought they were similar.

Lawrence clearly was held back by coaching but he also wasn't good. Still a solid example of a prospect even as good as Lawrence needing time to shake off the rust.

You can also add Jalen Hurts and Justin Fields. Both weren't exactly lighting the world on fire their first few starts. Team played them and let them develop and now they look like great players moving forward.

So manning started slow, even though he was top 5 in the nfl in touchdowns and yards as a rookie, just because he went on to have a HOF career? Lmao that's ridiculous.

starting slow is poor play. Manning held a ton of rookie records for like 10-15 years after his rookie year.

Stsrting slow isn't "because he didn't have as good of a season as he did the rest of his career". Lmao come on.

The man clearly talked about how he had to adjust to the NFL and that's why he threw all those picks. Nick Mullens is up there with Mahomes and Luck in terms of passing yards in X amount of games to start a career....he a great example of amazing QB play?

Manning led the league in pass attempts as a rookie. Hate to break it to you but when you throw more, your odds of having higher yardage numbers goes up. He completed 56.7% of his passes. The man didn't dip below 60% his whole career until his last year when he posted a 59.8% and had 0 arm left.

It was his worst season by far before his arm completely fell off. Argue semantics however much you want...the original point is pretty clear.

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
3 starts. That's all he has under his belt. 3 starts is not enough for all the crap this kid takes from the media. It's painful to watch and listen to. Give him a fair shot to perform then speak your mind. Just don't bury the kid before he gets his shot to play…

We don't need to give him anything. Idk why fans want everything given to him

He opted for the NFL on that one miraculous FCS season. Should have stayed in college at least another year, but he didn't want to risk his draft positioning I guess. He did what he had to and earned 35M at age 20.

This is a really dumb take imo. The guy went 3rd overall with Trevor Lawrence being one of the guys ahead of him.

He opted for the NFL after his 3rd season in college, much like other guys do. I'm sure if he had a choice he would've played a full season with NDS in 2020 but covid had other plans. There was no reason for him to go back. You guys are simply using hindsight now but I can guarantee you sitting and learning on the bench of an NFL team would still be better long term for him than going back for another season in the FCS, not to mention the potential for injury/draft stock to be lower.

Lance didn't opt out for the covid year like Parsons, Chase and other high end prospects, he simply got screwed by covid and schools canceling their games. If anything kudos to him for playing the one game they had as it was the one ugly game he had in his college career.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by the_dynasty:
Not to barge in here in this friendly feud, but I'd say Jimmy held us back and the Trey trade also held us back. Getting rid of Jimmy faster could've netted us something plus someone like Brady was available.Originally posted by Cisco0623:

I don't get all this negativity about Lance. He's played like 5 full games

You immediately answered yourself. He couldn't win the job or stay healthy enough to play more. When he did play, he looked bad, except one half. A very poor return on investment up to now. I hope he turns it around, but based on what I've seen I don't expect it.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Everything you said is nonsense.

1. Peyton manning didn't have a slow start. Lmao he was 3rd in the nfl in Passing yards and 5th in passing touchdowns. Yes, he lead the league in picks but he was on a bad team that leaned on him. He showed he was a superstar in the making, he just needed to work on the INT. His second year they went 13-3. Complete nonsense.

2. Joe montana didn't have a slow start? He just wasn't starting? He was also a 3rd round pick. No one was expecting him to be some future star that was drafted high in the first round. His first year starting full time he won the super bowl?

3. Steve young is like one of the only examples in nfl history where someone got off to a really rough start, left a team, and went on to be amazing and win a Super Bowl. He went to the USFL and not the NFL initially.

4. Josh allen wasn't off to a slow start. Lol It was clear he was talented. He had one question mark and it was his accuracy. That's all.

5. Trevor Lawrence: you can't win in this league with bad coaching and bad talent around you. In Lawrence case, he had probably the worst coach in NFL history. Lmao Lawrence was someone you KNEW was a bonafide generational talent and he wasn't the issue.

6. Aaron Rodgers didn't even play his first few years cause Farve was tearing it up. When Rodgers actually took over, he was great and continued to get better. Won a super bowl in what, his third year starting?

so stop with this nonsense. Lance has a great team around him, great coaching, great offensive playbook/calling, great culture etc. he has no excuse. He's extremely raw and inexperienced and I don't think he was ready to take on the mantle of leading a Super Bowl expectation team with tons of pro bowlers and all pros. I never thought it was the right pick and It's unfortunate how it's played out.

but stop using ridiculous examples, that I know you heard on the Krueg show lmao, because it's nonsense. Learn to look into these things.

lol Manning was league MVP his 2nd season. Saying he started slow is 100% accurate when you consider the rest of his career.

Same for Joe Montana, not the example I would've brought up but it still applies. Not all his fault of course but the example still fits.

Young everyone knows about - don't let me catch you hyping up Sam Darnold with the post above tho.

Josh Allen wasn't a slow starter lol? You joking right? His only issue was accuracy? He had highlight videos on how bad his accuracy was. Buffalo fans were furious at him and thought he was a bust.

In fact he was such a great comparison to Trey the dude even did a draft video for Trey, clearly people thought they were similar.

Lawrence clearly was held back by coaching but he also wasn't good. Still a solid example of a prospect even as good as Lawrence needing time to shake off the rust.

You can also add Jalen Hurts and Justin Fields. Both weren't exactly lighting the world on fire their first few starts. Team played them and let them develop and now they look like great players moving forward.

So manning started slow, even though he was top 5 in the nfl in touchdowns and yards as a rookie, just because he went on to have a HOF career? Lmao that's ridiculous.

starting slow is poor play. Manning held a ton of rookie records for like 10-15 years after his rookie year.

Stsrting slow isn't "because he didn't have as good of a season as he did the rest of his career". Lmao come on.

Manning had a 71.5 QB Rating as a rookie, more ints than TDs, a 56% completion rate, and only 6.5 Y/A. The reason he had so many yards is because he had nearly 600 attempts. If Manning was given only 3 starts to prove himself (like Trey) then his stat line would be 2 TDs and 8 ints and a 41 QB Rating and averaging 9 pts a game. Would you bet that someone with that stat line would go on to become a HOFer and arguably top-5 QB all-time?

we played rook Manning, he gave Steve all he could handle, do we forget this one, this was before TLs time

Hope tankle at least gave you a spot moving those goalposts.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Everything you said is nonsense.

1. Peyton manning didn't have a slow start. Lmao he was 3rd in the nfl in Passing yards and 5th in passing touchdowns. Yes, he lead the league in picks but he was on a bad team that leaned on him. He showed he was a superstar in the making, he just needed to work on the INT. His second year they went 13-3. Complete nonsense.

2. Joe montana didn't have a slow start? He just wasn't starting? He was also a 3rd round pick. No one was expecting him to be some future star that was drafted high in the first round. His first year starting full time he won the super bowl?

3. Steve young is like one of the only examples in nfl history where someone got off to a really rough start, left a team, and went on to be amazing and win a Super Bowl. He went to the USFL and not the NFL initially.

4. Josh allen wasn't off to a slow start. Lol It was clear he was talented. He had one question mark and it was his accuracy. That's all.

5. Trevor Lawrence: you can't win in this league with bad coaching and bad talent around you. In Lawrence case, he had probably the worst coach in NFL history. Lmao Lawrence was someone you KNEW was a bonafide generational talent and he wasn't the issue.

6. Aaron Rodgers didn't even play his first few years cause Farve was tearing it up. When Rodgers actually took over, he was great and continued to get better. Won a super bowl in what, his third year starting?

so stop with this nonsense. Lance has a great team around him, great coaching, great offensive playbook/calling, great culture etc. he has no excuse. He's extremely raw and inexperienced and I don't think he was ready to take on the mantle of leading a Super Bowl expectation team with tons of pro bowlers and all pros. I never thought it was the right pick and It's unfortunate how it's played out.

but stop using ridiculous examples, that I know you heard on the Krueg show lmao, because it's nonsense. Learn to look into these things.

lol Manning was league MVP his 2nd season. Saying he started slow is 100% accurate when you consider the rest of his career.

Same for Joe Montana, not the example I would've brought up but it still applies. Not all his fault of course but the example still fits.

Young everyone knows about - don't let me catch you hyping up Sam Darnold with the post above tho.

Josh Allen wasn't a slow starter lol? You joking right? His only issue was accuracy? He had highlight videos on how bad his accuracy was. Buffalo fans were furious at him and thought he was a bust.

In fact he was such a great comparison to Trey the dude even did a draft video for Trey, clearly people thought they were similar.

Lawrence clearly was held back by coaching but he also wasn't good. Still a solid example of a prospect even as good as Lawrence needing time to shake off the rust.

You can also add Jalen Hurts and Justin Fields. Both weren't exactly lighting the world on fire their first few starts. Team played them and let them develop and now they look like great players moving forward.

So manning started slow, even though he was top 5 in the nfl in touchdowns and yards as a rookie, just because he went on to have a HOF career? Lmao that's ridiculous.

starting slow is poor play. Manning held a ton of rookie records for like 10-15 years after his rookie year.

Stsrting slow isn't "because he didn't have as good of a season as he did the rest of his career". Lmao come on.

Manning had a 71.5 QB Rating as a rookie, more ints than TDs, a 56% completion rate, and only 6.5 Y/A. The reason he had so many yards is because he had nearly 600 attempts. If Manning was given only 3 starts to prove himself (like Trey) then his stat line would be 2 TDs and 8 ints and a 41 QB Rating and averaging 9 pts a game. Would you bet that someone with that stat line would go on to become a HOFer and arguably top-5 QB all-time?

we played rook Manning, he gave Steve all he could handle, do we forget this one, this was before TLs time

Jarrett Stidham gave the 49ers #1 defense all it could handle last year. Are we breaking out the gold jacket for him?

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Everything you said is nonsense.

1. Peyton manning didn't have a slow start. Lmao he was 3rd in the nfl in Passing yards and 5th in passing touchdowns. Yes, he lead the league in picks but he was on a bad team that leaned on him. He showed he was a superstar in the making, he just needed to work on the INT. His second year they went 13-3. Complete nonsense.

2. Joe montana didn't have a slow start? He just wasn't starting? He was also a 3rd round pick. No one was expecting him to be some future star that was drafted high in the first round. His first year starting full time he won the super bowl?

3. Steve young is like one of the only examples in nfl history where someone got off to a really rough start, left a team, and went on to be amazing and win a Super Bowl. He went to the USFL and not the NFL initially.

4. Josh allen wasn't off to a slow start. Lol It was clear he was talented. He had one question mark and it was his accuracy. That's all.

5. Trevor Lawrence: you can't win in this league with bad coaching and bad talent around you. In Lawrence case, he had probably the worst coach in NFL history. Lmao Lawrence was someone you KNEW was a bonafide generational talent and he wasn't the issue.

6. Aaron Rodgers didn't even play his first few years cause Farve was tearing it up. When Rodgers actually took over, he was great and continued to get better. Won a super bowl in what, his third year starting?

so stop with this nonsense. Lance has a great team around him, great coaching, great offensive playbook/calling, great culture etc. he has no excuse. He's extremely raw and inexperienced and I don't think he was ready to take on the mantle of leading a Super Bowl expectation team with tons of pro bowlers and all pros. I never thought it was the right pick and It's unfortunate how it's played out.

but stop using ridiculous examples, that I know you heard on the Krueg show lmao, because it's nonsense. Learn to look into these things.

lol Manning was league MVP his 2nd season. Saying he started slow is 100% accurate when you consider the rest of his career.

Same for Joe Montana, not the example I would've brought up but it still applies. Not all his fault of course but the example still fits.

Young everyone knows about - don't let me catch you hyping up Sam Darnold with the post above tho.

Josh Allen wasn't a slow starter lol? You joking right? His only issue was accuracy? He had highlight videos on how bad his accuracy was. Buffalo fans were furious at him and thought he was a bust.

In fact he was such a great comparison to Trey the dude even did a draft video for Trey, clearly people thought they were similar.

Lawrence clearly was held back by coaching but he also wasn't good. Still a solid example of a prospect even as good as Lawrence needing time to shake off the rust.

You can also add Jalen Hurts and Justin Fields. Both weren't exactly lighting the world on fire their first few starts. Team played them and let them develop and now they look like great players moving forward.

So manning started slow, even though he was top 5 in the nfl in touchdowns and yards as a rookie, just because he went on to have a HOF career? Lmao that's ridiculous.

starting slow is poor play. Manning held a ton of rookie records for like 10-15 years after his rookie year.

Stsrting slow isn't "because he didn't have as good of a season as he did the rest of his career". Lmao come on.

Manning had a 71.5 QB Rating as a rookie, more ints than TDs, a 56% completion rate, and only 6.5 Y/A. The reason he had so many yards is because he had nearly 600 attempts. If Manning was given only 3 starts to prove himself (like Trey) then his stat line would be 2 TDs and 8 ints and a 41 QB Rating and averaging 9 pts a game. Would you bet that someone with that stat line would go on to become a HOFer and arguably top-5 QB all-time?

Bro stop this madness. You're using stats from 1998 to compare to now, the rules and game are way different. And it's PEYTON MANNING. Were you not alive back then or something? The dude was a stud and looked the part, even in his rookie year while throwing all of those INT's. His team was terrible and they were letting him learn on the fly.

Originally posted by genus49:
The man clearly talked about how he had to adjust to the NFL and that's why he threw all those picks. Nick Mullens is up there with Mahomes and Luck in terms of passing yards in X amount of games to start a career....he a great example of amazing QB play?

Manning led the league in pass attempts as a rookie. Hate to break it to you but when you throw more, your odds of having higher yardage numbers goes up. He completed 56.7% of his passes. The man didn't dip below 60% his whole career until his last year when he posted a 59.8% and had 0 arm left.

It was his worst season by far before his arm completely fell off. Argue semantics however much you want...the original point is pretty clear.

i watched rook Manning as it happened, most everyone who did thought he was a FQB, ask why you are putting rook Manning in the TL thread? It's as if you are saying well Manning struggled, before he got good. Nope lol. Manning and TL are no comp. Manning went to a worst in football club, set NFL records year 1. Had the record completely flipped year 2. Where exactly is the comp? TL is like the opposite. Went to a NFL best club, set no records, as of yet.