Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Everything you said is nonsense.

1. Peyton manning didn't have a slow start. Lmao he was 3rd in the nfl in Passing yards and 5th in passing touchdowns. Yes, he lead the league in picks but he was on a bad team that leaned on him. He showed he was a superstar in the making, he just needed to work on the INT. His second year they went 13-3. Complete nonsense.

2. Joe montana didn't have a slow start? He just wasn't starting? He was also a 3rd round pick. No one was expecting him to be some future star that was drafted high in the first round. His first year starting full time he won the super bowl?

3. Steve young is like one of the only examples in nfl history where someone got off to a really rough start, left a team, and went on to be amazing and win a Super Bowl. He went to the USFL and not the NFL initially.

4. Josh allen wasn't off to a slow start. Lol It was clear he was talented. He had one question mark and it was his accuracy. That's all.

5. Trevor Lawrence: you can't win in this league with bad coaching and bad talent around you. In Lawrence case, he had probably the worst coach in NFL history. Lmao Lawrence was someone you KNEW was a bonafide generational talent and he wasn't the issue.

6. Aaron Rodgers didn't even play his first few years cause Farve was tearing it up. When Rodgers actually took over, he was great and continued to get better. Won a super bowl in what, his third year starting?

so stop with this nonsense. Lance has a great team around him, great coaching, great offensive playbook/calling, great culture etc. he has no excuse. He's extremely raw and inexperienced and I don't think he was ready to take on the mantle of leading a Super Bowl expectation team with tons of pro bowlers and all pros. I never thought it was the right pick and It's unfortunate how it's played out.

but stop using ridiculous examples, that I know you heard on the Krueg show lmao, because it's nonsense. Learn to look into these things.

lol Manning was league MVP his 2nd season. Saying he started slow is 100% accurate when you consider the rest of his career.

Same for Joe Montana, not the example I would've brought up but it still applies. Not all his fault of course but the example still fits.

Young everyone knows about - don't let me catch you hyping up Sam Darnold with the post above tho.

Josh Allen wasn't a slow starter lol? You joking right? His only issue was accuracy? He had highlight videos on how bad his accuracy was. Buffalo fans were furious at him and thought he was a bust.

In fact he was such a great comparison to Trey the dude even did a draft video for Trey, clearly people thought they were similar.

Lawrence clearly was held back by coaching but he also wasn't good. Still a solid example of a prospect even as good as Lawrence needing time to shake off the rust.

You can also add Jalen Hurts and Justin Fields. Both weren't exactly lighting the world on fire their first few starts. Team played them and let them develop and now they look like great players moving forward.

So manning started slow, even though he was top 5 in the nfl in touchdowns and yards as a rookie, just because he went on to have a HOF career? Lmao that's ridiculous.

starting slow is poor play. Manning held a ton of rookie records for like 10-15 years after his rookie year.

Stsrting slow isn't "because he didn't have as good of a season as he did the rest of his career". Lmao come on.

Manning had a 71.5 QB Rating as a rookie, more ints than TDs, a 56% completion rate, and only 6.5 Y/A. The reason he had so many yards is because he had nearly 600 attempts. If Manning was given only 3 starts to prove himself (like Trey) then his stat line would be 2 TDs and 8 ints and a 41 QB Rating and averaging 9 pts a game. Would you bet that someone with that stat line would go on to become a HOFer and arguably top-5 QB all-time?

Bro stop this madness. You're using stats from 1998 to compare to now, the rules and game are way different. And it's PEYTON MANNING. Were you not alive back then or something? The dude was a stud and looked the part, even in his rookie year while throwing all of those INT's. His team was terrible and they were letting him learn on the fly.

Passing is easier now than it was then, but a 71.5 QB rating still wasn't good in 1998. It was well below average. 26 interceptions and a 4.9% was not good in 1998. Everyone that's saying he looked the part is using the power of hindsight. Just like they do with Josh Allen and others in that bucket. There's no world where Peyton Manning looked like a future HOFer/all-pro after his first 3 games, which are all we can really use in comparison.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
The man clearly talked about how he had to adjust to the NFL and that's why he threw all those picks. Nick Mullens is up there with Mahomes and Luck in terms of passing yards in X amount of games to start a career....he a great example of amazing QB play?

Manning led the league in pass attempts as a rookie. Hate to break it to you but when you throw more, your odds of having higher yardage numbers goes up. He completed 56.7% of his passes. The man didn't dip below 60% his whole career until his last year when he posted a 59.8% and had 0 arm left.

It was his worst season by far before his arm completely fell off. Argue semantics however much you want...the original point is pretty clear.

i watched rook Manning as it happened, most everyone who did thought he was a FQB, ask why you are putting rook Manning in the TL thread? It's as if you are saying well Manning struggled, before he got good. Nope lol. Manning and TL are no comp. Manning went to a worst in football club, set NFL records year 1. Had the record completely flipped year 2. Where exactly is the comp? TL is like the opposite. Went to a NFL best club, set no records, as of yet.

These guys have to be really young and simply didn't watch Manning's career nor rookie season. He was a superstar immediately and it was OBVIOUS.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Everything you said is nonsense.

1. Peyton manning didn't have a slow start. Lmao he was 3rd in the nfl in Passing yards and 5th in passing touchdowns. Yes, he lead the league in picks but he was on a bad team that leaned on him. He showed he was a superstar in the making, he just needed to work on the INT. His second year they went 13-3. Complete nonsense.

2. Joe montana didn't have a slow start? He just wasn't starting? He was also a 3rd round pick. No one was expecting him to be some future star that was drafted high in the first round. His first year starting full time he won the super bowl?

3. Steve young is like one of the only examples in nfl history where someone got off to a really rough start, left a team, and went on to be amazing and win a Super Bowl. He went to the USFL and not the NFL initially.

4. Josh allen wasn't off to a slow start. Lol It was clear he was talented. He had one question mark and it was his accuracy. That's all.

5. Trevor Lawrence: you can't win in this league with bad coaching and bad talent around you. In Lawrence case, he had probably the worst coach in NFL history. Lmao Lawrence was someone you KNEW was a bonafide generational talent and he wasn't the issue.

6. Aaron Rodgers didn't even play his first few years cause Farve was tearing it up. When Rodgers actually took over, he was great and continued to get better. Won a super bowl in what, his third year starting?

so stop with this nonsense. Lance has a great team around him, great coaching, great offensive playbook/calling, great culture etc. he has no excuse. He's extremely raw and inexperienced and I don't think he was ready to take on the mantle of leading a Super Bowl expectation team with tons of pro bowlers and all pros. I never thought it was the right pick and It's unfortunate how it's played out.

but stop using ridiculous examples, that I know you heard on the Krueg show lmao, because it's nonsense. Learn to look into these things.

lol Manning was league MVP his 2nd season. Saying he started slow is 100% accurate when you consider the rest of his career.

Same for Joe Montana, not the example I would've brought up but it still applies. Not all his fault of course but the example still fits.

Young everyone knows about - don't let me catch you hyping up Sam Darnold with the post above tho.

Josh Allen wasn't a slow starter lol? You joking right? His only issue was accuracy? He had highlight videos on how bad his accuracy was. Buffalo fans were furious at him and thought he was a bust.

In fact he was such a great comparison to Trey the dude even did a draft video for Trey, clearly people thought they were similar.

Lawrence clearly was held back by coaching but he also wasn't good. Still a solid example of a prospect even as good as Lawrence needing time to shake off the rust.

You can also add Jalen Hurts and Justin Fields. Both weren't exactly lighting the world on fire their first few starts. Team played them and let them develop and now they look like great players moving forward.

So manning started slow, even though he was top 5 in the nfl in touchdowns and yards as a rookie, just because he went on to have a HOF career? Lmao that's ridiculous.

starting slow is poor play. Manning held a ton of rookie records for like 10-15 years after his rookie year.

Stsrting slow isn't "because he didn't have as good of a season as he did the rest of his career". Lmao come on.

Manning had a 71.5 QB Rating as a rookie, more ints than TDs, a 56% completion rate, and only 6.5 Y/A. The reason he had so many yards is because he had nearly 600 attempts. If Manning was given only 3 starts to prove himself (like Trey) then his stat line would be 2 TDs and 8 ints and a 41 QB Rating and averaging 9 pts a game. Would you bet that someone with that stat line would go on to become a HOFer and arguably top-5 QB all-time?

Bro stop this madness. You're using stats from 1998 to compare to now, the rules and game are way different. And it's PEYTON MANNING. Were you not alive back then or something? The dude was a stud and looked the part, even in his rookie year while throwing all of those INT's. His team was terrible and they were letting him learn on the fly.

Passing is easier now than it was then, but a 71.5 QB rating still wasn't good in 1998. It was well below average. 26 interceptions and a 4.9% was not good in 1998. Everyone that's saying he looked the part is using the power of hindsight. Just like they do with Josh Allen and others in that bucket. There's no world where Peyton Manning looked like a future HOFer/all-pro after his first 3 games, which are all we can really use in comparison.

Did you watch Peyton Manning in his rookie year? How old were you? Yes, Peyton Manning looked like a future HOFer/All-Pro after his first 3 games. And for anyone who disagrees, that still doesn't help your point. Comparing Trey to Manning is absurd.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Everything you said is nonsense.

1. Peyton manning didn't have a slow start. Lmao he was 3rd in the nfl in Passing yards and 5th in passing touchdowns. Yes, he lead the league in picks but he was on a bad team that leaned on him. He showed he was a superstar in the making, he just needed to work on the INT. His second year they went 13-3. Complete nonsense.

2. Joe montana didn't have a slow start? He just wasn't starting? He was also a 3rd round pick. No one was expecting him to be some future star that was drafted high in the first round. His first year starting full time he won the super bowl?

3. Steve young is like one of the only examples in nfl history where someone got off to a really rough start, left a team, and went on to be amazing and win a Super Bowl. He went to the USFL and not the NFL initially.

4. Josh allen wasn't off to a slow start. Lol It was clear he was talented. He had one question mark and it was his accuracy. That's all.

5. Trevor Lawrence: you can't win in this league with bad coaching and bad talent around you. In Lawrence case, he had probably the worst coach in NFL history. Lmao Lawrence was someone you KNEW was a bonafide generational talent and he wasn't the issue.

6. Aaron Rodgers didn't even play his first few years cause Farve was tearing it up. When Rodgers actually took over, he was great and continued to get better. Won a super bowl in what, his third year starting?

so stop with this nonsense. Lance has a great team around him, great coaching, great offensive playbook/calling, great culture etc. he has no excuse. He's extremely raw and inexperienced and I don't think he was ready to take on the mantle of leading a Super Bowl expectation team with tons of pro bowlers and all pros. I never thought it was the right pick and It's unfortunate how it's played out.

but stop using ridiculous examples, that I know you heard on the Krueg show lmao, because it's nonsense. Learn to look into these things.

lol Manning was league MVP his 2nd season. Saying he started slow is 100% accurate when you consider the rest of his career.

Same for Joe Montana, not the example I would've brought up but it still applies. Not all his fault of course but the example still fits.

Young everyone knows about - don't let me catch you hyping up Sam Darnold with the post above tho.

Josh Allen wasn't a slow starter lol? You joking right? His only issue was accuracy? He had highlight videos on how bad his accuracy was. Buffalo fans were furious at him and thought he was a bust.

In fact he was such a great comparison to Trey the dude even did a draft video for Trey, clearly people thought they were similar.

Lawrence clearly was held back by coaching but he also wasn't good. Still a solid example of a prospect even as good as Lawrence needing time to shake off the rust.

You can also add Jalen Hurts and Justin Fields. Both weren't exactly lighting the world on fire their first few starts. Team played them and let them develop and now they look like great players moving forward.

So manning started slow, even though he was top 5 in the nfl in touchdowns and yards as a rookie, just because he went on to have a HOF career? Lmao that's ridiculous.

starting slow is poor play. Manning held a ton of rookie records for like 10-15 years after his rookie year.

Stsrting slow isn't "because he didn't have as good of a season as he did the rest of his career". Lmao come on.

Manning had a 71.5 QB Rating as a rookie, more ints than TDs, a 56% completion rate, and only 6.5 Y/A. The reason he had so many yards is because he had nearly 600 attempts. If Manning was given only 3 starts to prove himself (like Trey) then his stat line would be 2 TDs and 8 ints and a 41 QB Rating and averaging 9 pts a game. Would you bet that someone with that stat line would go on to become a HOFer and arguably top-5 QB all-time?

Bro stop this madness. You're using stats from 1998 to compare to now, the rules and game are way different. And it's PEYTON MANNING. Were you not alive back then or something? The dude was a stud and looked the part, even in his rookie year while throwing all of those INT's. His team was terrible and they were letting him learn on the fly.

Passing is easier now than it was then, but a 71.5 QB rating still wasn't good in 1998. It was well below average. 26 interceptions and a 4.9% was not good in 1998. Everyone that's saying he looked the part is using the power of hindsight. Just like they do with Josh Allen and others in that bucket. There's no world where Peyton Manning looked like a future HOFer/all-pro after his first 3 games, which are all we can really use in comparison.

Did you watch Peyton Manning in his rookie year? How old were you? Yes, Peyton Manning looked like a future HOFer/All-Pro after his first 3 games. And for anyone who disagrees, that still doesn't help your point. Comparing Trey to Manning is absurd.

Yes, I watched Peyton Manning as a rookie. No, he did not look like a future HOFer/All-Pro in his first three games. The games are available online if you want to refresh your memory, but please tell me which of these three games made you think he was a future HOFer: the 29-6 loss to NE, the 44-6 loss to the NYJ, or the 24-15 loss to MIA? 2 TDs - 8 INTs in those games, 54% Completion Rate, 49.0 QBR, all terrible for the era. Now, did it shock me that Peyton turned out to be a great QB after that start? No, because you can't judge a QB after just 3 starts and like most highly drafted QBs, Manning was given time to figure things out.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Everything you said is nonsense.

1. Peyton manning didn't have a slow start. Lmao he was 3rd in the nfl in Passing yards and 5th in passing touchdowns. Yes, he lead the league in picks but he was on a bad team that leaned on him. He showed he was a superstar in the making, he just needed to work on the INT. His second year they went 13-3. Complete nonsense.

2. Joe montana didn't have a slow start? He just wasn't starting? He was also a 3rd round pick. No one was expecting him to be some future star that was drafted high in the first round. His first year starting full time he won the super bowl?

3. Steve young is like one of the only examples in nfl history where someone got off to a really rough start, left a team, and went on to be amazing and win a Super Bowl. He went to the USFL and not the NFL initially.

4. Josh allen wasn't off to a slow start. Lol It was clear he was talented. He had one question mark and it was his accuracy. That's all.

5. Trevor Lawrence: you can't win in this league with bad coaching and bad talent around you. In Lawrence case, he had probably the worst coach in NFL history. Lmao Lawrence was someone you KNEW was a bonafide generational talent and he wasn't the issue.

6. Aaron Rodgers didn't even play his first few years cause Farve was tearing it up. When Rodgers actually took over, he was great and continued to get better. Won a super bowl in what, his third year starting?

so stop with this nonsense. Lance has a great team around him, great coaching, great offensive playbook/calling, great culture etc. he has no excuse. He's extremely raw and inexperienced and I don't think he was ready to take on the mantle of leading a Super Bowl expectation team with tons of pro bowlers and all pros. I never thought it was the right pick and It's unfortunate how it's played out.

but stop using ridiculous examples, that I know you heard on the Krueg show lmao, because it's nonsense. Learn to look into these things.

lol Manning was league MVP his 2nd season. Saying he started slow is 100% accurate when you consider the rest of his career.

Same for Joe Montana, not the example I would've brought up but it still applies. Not all his fault of course but the example still fits.

Young everyone knows about - don't let me catch you hyping up Sam Darnold with the post above tho.

Josh Allen wasn't a slow starter lol? You joking right? His only issue was accuracy? He had highlight videos on how bad his accuracy was. Buffalo fans were furious at him and thought he was a bust.

In fact he was such a great comparison to Trey the dude even did a draft video for Trey, clearly people thought they were similar.

Lawrence clearly was held back by coaching but he also wasn't good. Still a solid example of a prospect even as good as Lawrence needing time to shake off the rust.

You can also add Jalen Hurts and Justin Fields. Both weren't exactly lighting the world on fire their first few starts. Team played them and let them develop and now they look like great players moving forward.

So manning started slow, even though he was top 5 in the nfl in touchdowns and yards as a rookie, just because he went on to have a HOF career? Lmao that's ridiculous.

starting slow is poor play. Manning held a ton of rookie records for like 10-15 years after his rookie year.

Stsrting slow isn't "because he didn't have as good of a season as he did the rest of his career". Lmao come on.

Manning had a 71.5 QB Rating as a rookie, more ints than TDs, a 56% completion rate, and only 6.5 Y/A. The reason he had so many yards is because he had nearly 600 attempts. If Manning was given only 3 starts to prove himself (like Trey) then his stat line would be 2 TDs and 8 ints and a 41 QB Rating and averaging 9 pts a game. Would you bet that someone with that stat line would go on to become a HOFer and arguably top-5 QB all-time?

Bro stop this madness. You're using stats from 1998 to compare to now, the rules and game are way different. And it's PEYTON MANNING. Were you not alive back then or something? The dude was a stud and looked the part, even in his rookie year while throwing all of those INT's. His team was terrible and they were letting him learn on the fly.

Passing is easier now than it was then, but a 71.5 QB rating still wasn't good in 1998. It was well below average. 26 interceptions and a 4.9% was not good in 1998. Everyone that's saying he looked the part is using the power of hindsight. Just like they do with Josh Allen and others in that bucket. There's no world where Peyton Manning looked like a future HOFer/all-pro after his first 3 games, which are all we can really use in comparison.

Did you watch Peyton Manning in his rookie year? How old were you? Yes, Peyton Manning looked like a future HOFer/All-Pro after his first 3 games. And for anyone who disagrees, that still doesn't help your point. Comparing Trey to Manning is absurd.

Can't figure out if you guys are being this dense on purpose...

First of all I didn't make the original post however you 100% can use Manning as an example of someone developing with more playing time. Manning himself talked about the interceptions he threw as a rookie being critical to his growth.

Nobody is comparing Trey to Manning. This is the laziest sh*t people do on forums. Someone brings up another player doing something and it's "how dare you compare them!"

It's comparing situations and showing that a HOF QB considered as one of the best to ever play needed time to grow and adjust to the speed of the game after coming into the game with a lot more experience and a whole childhood of QB development is a proper point.

There are numerous examples. The goal posts keep getting moved to take away from the original point which is QBs develop and many of them grow to very different players after a handful of initial starts.

And how old are you? Manning's hype was ultra high. Obviously people understood the long game with him but after those first few games nobody was saying future HOFer. Stop making sh*t up and pretend the rest of us weren't around for those days. He didn't really get it together til about midway through the season and even then he still kept turning the ball over but whoever said it was 100% right, those rules or not after his first 3/4 starts there was no HOF talk

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Yes, I watched Peyton Manning as a rookie. No, he did not look like a future HOFer/All-Pro in his first three games. The games are available online if you want to refresh your memory, but please tell me which of these three games made you think he was a future HOFer: the 29-6 loss to NE, the 44-6 loss to the NYJ, or the 24-15 loss to MIA? 2 TDs - 8 INTs in those games, 54% Completion Rate, 49.0 QBR, all terrible for the era. Now, did it shock me that Peyton turned out to be a great QB after that start? No, because you can't judge a QB after just 3 starts and like most highly drafted QBs, Manning was given time to figure things out.

I imagine if Peyton Manning was drafted into the JG 2021 49ers, he quickly shows he's Peyton Freakin Manning. JG wouldn't stand a chance. Just a question of when Peyton wins the job, week 1 or week 4, etc.

The TL thread, where HOU pass D is legendary, where the weather makes TDs impossible (nevermind what Fields is doing), and where TL is Manning (not even the good one, we are saying he's the great one)

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I imagine if Peyton Manning was drafted into the JG 2021 49ers, he quickly shows he's Peyton Freakin Manning. JG wouldn't stand a chance. Just a question of when Peyton wins the job, week 1 or week 4, etc.

The TL thread, where HOU pass D is legendary, where the weather makes TDs impossible (nevermind what Fields is doing), and where TL is Manning (not even the good one, we are saying he's the great one)

Peyton was no Sam Darnold in his last 6 games. Now that's legendary.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Everything you said is nonsense.

1. Peyton manning didn't have a slow start. Lmao he was 3rd in the nfl in Passing yards and 5th in passing touchdowns. Yes, he lead the league in picks but he was on a bad team that leaned on him. He showed he was a superstar in the making, he just needed to work on the INT. His second year they went 13-3. Complete nonsense.

2. Joe montana didn't have a slow start? He just wasn't starting? He was also a 3rd round pick. No one was expecting him to be some future star that was drafted high in the first round. His first year starting full time he won the super bowl?

3. Steve young is like one of the only examples in nfl history where someone got off to a really rough start, left a team, and went on to be amazing and win a Super Bowl. He went to the USFL and not the NFL initially.

4. Josh allen wasn't off to a slow start. Lol It was clear he was talented. He had one question mark and it was his accuracy. That's all.

5. Trevor Lawrence: you can't win in this league with bad coaching and bad talent around you. In Lawrence case, he had probably the worst coach in NFL history. Lmao Lawrence was someone you KNEW was a bonafide generational talent and he wasn't the issue.

6. Aaron Rodgers didn't even play his first few years cause Farve was tearing it up. When Rodgers actually took over, he was great and continued to get better. Won a super bowl in what, his third year starting?

so stop with this nonsense. Lance has a great team around him, great coaching, great offensive playbook/calling, great culture etc. he has no excuse. He's extremely raw and inexperienced and I don't think he was ready to take on the mantle of leading a Super Bowl expectation team with tons of pro bowlers and all pros. I never thought it was the right pick and It's unfortunate how it's played out.

but stop using ridiculous examples, that I know you heard on the Krueg show lmao, because it's nonsense. Learn to look into these things.

lol Manning was league MVP his 2nd season. Saying he started slow is 100% accurate when you consider the rest of his career.

Same for Joe Montana, not the example I would've brought up but it still applies. Not all his fault of course but the example still fits.

Young everyone knows about - don't let me catch you hyping up Sam Darnold with the post above tho.

Josh Allen wasn't a slow starter lol? You joking right? His only issue was accuracy? He had highlight videos on how bad his accuracy was. Buffalo fans were furious at him and thought he was a bust.

In fact he was such a great comparison to Trey the dude even did a draft video for Trey, clearly people thought they were similar.

Lawrence clearly was held back by coaching but he also wasn't good. Still a solid example of a prospect even as good as Lawrence needing time to shake off the rust.

You can also add Jalen Hurts and Justin Fields. Both weren't exactly lighting the world on fire their first few starts. Team played them and let them develop and now they look like great players moving forward.

So manning started slow, even though he was top 5 in the nfl in touchdowns and yards as a rookie, just because he went on to have a HOF career? Lmao that's ridiculous.

starting slow is poor play. Manning held a ton of rookie records for like 10-15 years after his rookie year.

Stsrting slow isn't "because he didn't have as good of a season as he did the rest of his career". Lmao come on.

Manning had a 71.5 QB Rating as a rookie, more ints than TDs, a 56% completion rate, and only 6.5 Y/A. The reason he had so many yards is because he had nearly 600 attempts. If Manning was given only 3 starts to prove himself (like Trey) then his stat line would be 2 TDs and 8 ints and a 41 QB Rating and averaging 9 pts a game. Would you bet that someone with that stat line would go on to become a HOFer and arguably top-5 QB all-time?

Bro stop this madness. You're using stats from 1998 to compare to now, the rules and game are way different. And it's PEYTON MANNING. Were you not alive back then or something? The dude was a stud and looked the part, even in his rookie year while throwing all of those INT's. His team was terrible and they were letting him learn on the fly.

Passing is easier now than it was then, but a 71.5 QB rating still wasn't good in 1998. It was well below average. 26 interceptions and a 4.9% was not good in 1998. Everyone that's saying he looked the part is using the power of hindsight. Just like they do with Josh Allen and others in that bucket. There's no world where Peyton Manning looked like a future HOFer/all-pro after his first 3 games, which are all we can really use in comparison.

Anyone who thinks manning had a bad rookie year is out of their mind. lol

of course, manning didn't look like a HOF player his first year, but he didnt get off to a slow start? no one has ever looked like a HOF player their rookie year. if thats how you're measuring it, then everyone ever got off to a slow start?? stop this ridiculousness lmao.

Manning had a good Rookie year overall and showed that he was more than capable of being a top QB, he just needed a better team around him and he needed to learn from his mistakes. he was top 5 in touchdowns and top 5 in yards.

This is also an era where throwing a lot of INT was much more common. Only 2 starters or so that year threw less than 10 INT. Half the starters in the league threw like 15+ int. four starters threw 20+ int. passing was a complete different ballgame back then.

It's very clear that some of you don't understand the game of football or how it was played in different eras.

Brad Freakin johnson led the league in accuracy with 64% lmao this is a time where 55% completion was pretty good. lmao just stop it.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
The man clearly talked about how he had to adjust to the NFL and that's why he threw all those picks. Nick Mullens is up there with Mahomes and Luck in terms of passing yards in X amount of games to start a career....he a great example of amazing QB play?

Manning led the league in pass attempts as a rookie. Hate to break it to you but when you throw more, your odds of having higher yardage numbers goes up. He completed 56.7% of his passes. The man didn't dip below 60% his whole career until his last year when he posted a 59.8% and had 0 arm left.

It was his worst season by far before his arm completely fell off. Argue semantics however much you want...the original point is pretty clear.

i watched rook Manning as it happened, most everyone who did thought he was a FQB, ask why you are putting rook Manning in the TL thread? It's as if you are saying well Manning struggled, before he got good. Nope lol. Manning and TL are no comp. Manning went to a worst in football club, set NFL records year 1. Had the record completely flipped year 2. Where exactly is the comp? TL is like the opposite. Went to a NFL best club, set no records, as of yet.

54% 227 yards per game .67 TD / 2.67 INT per game in his first 3 starts.

What record was he setting there outside of the interception one?

The whole point is how using first few games of a young QB is stupid to evaluate how the rest of their career may go. Nobody saying Lance is guaranteed HOFer like Manning. Simply pointing out that even someone with the level of experience and QB education struggled early in his career. And yes that is struggling. You moving the goal posts to the rest of his season doesn't change the fact that he came out and struggled early on before figuring it out.

And save me the worst team in football thing. They were in the AFCCG in the 1995 season. Were 9-7 and made the playoffs in 96 then dropped to 3-13 the year they were bad enough to get Manning. Were we the worst team in football(or close to it) in 2018? Sometimes a key injury impacts a team that isn't that bad.

Colts had a bad down year after a playoff season and got Manning
49ers had a bad down year after a playoff season and drafted Lance

Obviously there are differences in where our playoff season ended in 2019 vs where Colts went in 1996 but it's still a similar situation.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Everything you said is nonsense.

1. Peyton manning didn't have a slow start. Lmao he was 3rd in the nfl in Passing yards and 5th in passing touchdowns. Yes, he lead the league in picks but he was on a bad team that leaned on him. He showed he was a superstar in the making, he just needed to work on the INT. His second year they went 13-3. Complete nonsense.

2. Joe montana didn't have a slow start? He just wasn't starting? He was also a 3rd round pick. No one was expecting him to be some future star that was drafted high in the first round. His first year starting full time he won the super bowl?

3. Steve young is like one of the only examples in nfl history where someone got off to a really rough start, left a team, and went on to be amazing and win a Super Bowl. He went to the USFL and not the NFL initially.

4. Josh allen wasn't off to a slow start. Lol It was clear he was talented. He had one question mark and it was his accuracy. That's all.

5. Trevor Lawrence: you can't win in this league with bad coaching and bad talent around you. In Lawrence case, he had probably the worst coach in NFL history. Lmao Lawrence was someone you KNEW was a bonafide generational talent and he wasn't the issue.

6. Aaron Rodgers didn't even play his first few years cause Farve was tearing it up. When Rodgers actually took over, he was great and continued to get better. Won a super bowl in what, his third year starting?

so stop with this nonsense. Lance has a great team around him, great coaching, great offensive playbook/calling, great culture etc. he has no excuse. He's extremely raw and inexperienced and I don't think he was ready to take on the mantle of leading a Super Bowl expectation team with tons of pro bowlers and all pros. I never thought it was the right pick and It's unfortunate how it's played out.

but stop using ridiculous examples, that I know you heard on the Krueg show lmao, because it's nonsense. Learn to look into these things.

lol Manning was league MVP his 2nd season. Saying he started slow is 100% accurate when you consider the rest of his career.

Same for Joe Montana, not the example I would've brought up but it still applies. Not all his fault of course but the example still fits.

Young everyone knows about - don't let me catch you hyping up Sam Darnold with the post above tho.

Josh Allen wasn't a slow starter lol? You joking right? His only issue was accuracy? He had highlight videos on how bad his accuracy was. Buffalo fans were furious at him and thought he was a bust.

In fact he was such a great comparison to Trey the dude even did a draft video for Trey, clearly people thought they were similar.

Lawrence clearly was held back by coaching but he also wasn't good. Still a solid example of a prospect even as good as Lawrence needing time to shake off the rust.

You can also add Jalen Hurts and Justin Fields. Both weren't exactly lighting the world on fire their first few starts. Team played them and let them develop and now they look like great players moving forward.

So manning started slow, even though he was top 5 in the nfl in touchdowns and yards as a rookie, just because he went on to have a HOF career? Lmao that's ridiculous.

starting slow is poor play. Manning held a ton of rookie records for like 10-15 years after his rookie year.

Stsrting slow isn't "because he didn't have as good of a season as he did the rest of his career". Lmao come on.

Manning had a 71.5 QB Rating as a rookie, more ints than TDs, a 56% completion rate, and only 6.5 Y/A. The reason he had so many yards is because he had nearly 600 attempts. If Manning was given only 3 starts to prove himself (like Trey) then his stat line would be 2 TDs and 8 ints and a 41 QB Rating and averaging 9 pts a game. Would you bet that someone with that stat line would go on to become a HOFer and arguably top-5 QB all-time?

Bro stop this madness. You're using stats from 1998 to compare to now, the rules and game are way different. And it's PEYTON MANNING. Were you not alive back then or something? The dude was a stud and looked the part, even in his rookie year while throwing all of those INT's. His team was terrible and they were letting him learn on the fly.

Passing is easier now than it was then, but a 71.5 QB rating still wasn't good in 1998. It was well below average. 26 interceptions and a 4.9% was not good in 1998. Everyone that's saying he looked the part is using the power of hindsight. Just like they do with Josh Allen and others in that bucket. There's no world where Peyton Manning looked like a future HOFer/all-pro after his first 3 games, which are all we can really use in comparison.

Anyone who thinks manning had a bad rookie year is out of their mind. lol

of course, manning didn't look like a HOF player his first year, but he didnt get off to a slow start? no one has ever looked like a HOF player their rookie year. if thats how you're measuring it, then everyone ever got off to a slow start?? stop this ridiculousness lmao.

Manning had a good Rookie year overall and showed that he was more than capable of being a top QB, he just needed a better team around him and he needed to learn from his mistakes. he was top 5 in touchdowns and top 5 in yards.

This is also an era where throwing a lot of INT was much more common. Only 2 starters or so that year threw less than 10 INT. Half the starters in the league threw like 15+ int. four starters threw 20+ int. passing was a complete different ballgame back then.

It's very clear that some of you don't understand the game of football or how it was played in different eras.

Brad Freakin johnson led the league in accuracy with 64% lmao this is a time where 55% completion was pretty good. lmao just stop it.

54% 227 yards per game .67 TD / 2.67 INT per game in his first 3 starts.

Tell us more how amazing he was his whole SEASON as a rookie.

Would be nice if we had a look at Lance his whole rookie season. All we got were 3 full starts.

Manning flashes in his first 3 starts = great start, will only get better
Lance flashes in his first 3 starts = he sucked

Checks out

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Yes, I watched Peyton Manning as a rookie. No, he did not look like a future HOFer/All-Pro in his first three games. The games are available online if you want to refresh your memory, but please tell me which of these three games made you think he was a future HOFer: the 29-6 loss to NE, the 44-6 loss to the NYJ, or the 24-15 loss to MIA? 2 TDs - 8 INTs in those games, 54% Completion Rate, 49.0 QBR, all terrible for the era. Now, did it shock me that Peyton turned out to be a great QB after that start? No, because you can't judge a QB after just 3 starts and like most highly drafted QBs, Manning was given time to figure things out.

I imagine if Peyton Manning was drafted into the JG 2021 49ers, he quickly shows he's Peyton Freakin Manning. JG wouldn't stand a chance. Just a question of when Peyton wins the job, week 1 or week 4, etc.

The TL thread, where HOU pass D is legendary, where the weather makes TDs impossible (nevermind what Fields is doing), and where TL is Manning (not even the good one, we are saying he's the great one)

When you can't argue with facts then lets go ahead and get ridiculous. You and krizay should get a room and see who can be more dramatic about people trying to explain why Lance needs more time to show what he can or cannot do.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Everything you said is nonsense.

1. Peyton manning didn't have a slow start. Lmao he was 3rd in the nfl in Passing yards and 5th in passing touchdowns. Yes, he lead the league in picks but he was on a bad team that leaned on him. He showed he was a superstar in the making, he just needed to work on the INT. His second year they went 13-3. Complete nonsense.

2. Joe montana didn't have a slow start? He just wasn't starting? He was also a 3rd round pick. No one was expecting him to be some future star that was drafted high in the first round. His first year starting full time he won the super bowl?

3. Steve young is like one of the only examples in nfl history where someone got off to a really rough start, left a team, and went on to be amazing and win a Super Bowl. He went to the USFL and not the NFL initially.

4. Josh allen wasn't off to a slow start. Lol It was clear he was talented. He had one question mark and it was his accuracy. That's all.

5. Trevor Lawrence: you can't win in this league with bad coaching and bad talent around you. In Lawrence case, he had probably the worst coach in NFL history. Lmao Lawrence was someone you KNEW was a bonafide generational talent and he wasn't the issue.

6. Aaron Rodgers didn't even play his first few years cause Farve was tearing it up. When Rodgers actually took over, he was great and continued to get better. Won a super bowl in what, his third year starting?

so stop with this nonsense. Lance has a great team around him, great coaching, great offensive playbook/calling, great culture etc. he has no excuse. He's extremely raw and inexperienced and I don't think he was ready to take on the mantle of leading a Super Bowl expectation team with tons of pro bowlers and all pros. I never thought it was the right pick and It's unfortunate how it's played out.

but stop using ridiculous examples, that I know you heard on the Krueg show lmao, because it's nonsense. Learn to look into these things.

lol Manning was league MVP his 2nd season. Saying he started slow is 100% accurate when you consider the rest of his career.

Same for Joe Montana, not the example I would've brought up but it still applies. Not all his fault of course but the example still fits.

Young everyone knows about - don't let me catch you hyping up Sam Darnold with the post above tho.

Josh Allen wasn't a slow starter lol? You joking right? His only issue was accuracy? He had highlight videos on how bad his accuracy was. Buffalo fans were furious at him and thought he was a bust.

In fact he was such a great comparison to Trey the dude even did a draft video for Trey, clearly people thought they were similar.

Lawrence clearly was held back by coaching but he also wasn't good. Still a solid example of a prospect even as good as Lawrence needing time to shake off the rust.

You can also add Jalen Hurts and Justin Fields. Both weren't exactly lighting the world on fire their first few starts. Team played them and let them develop and now they look like great players moving forward.

So manning started slow, even though he was top 5 in the nfl in touchdowns and yards as a rookie, just because he went on to have a HOF career? Lmao that's ridiculous.

starting slow is poor play. Manning held a ton of rookie records for like 10-15 years after his rookie year.

Stsrting slow isn't "because he didn't have as good of a season as he did the rest of his career". Lmao come on.

Manning had a 71.5 QB Rating as a rookie, more ints than TDs, a 56% completion rate, and only 6.5 Y/A. The reason he had so many yards is because he had nearly 600 attempts. If Manning was given only 3 starts to prove himself (like Trey) then his stat line would be 2 TDs and 8 ints and a 41 QB Rating and averaging 9 pts a game. Would you bet that someone with that stat line would go on to become a HOFer and arguably top-5 QB all-time?

Bro stop this madness. You're using stats from 1998 to compare to now, the rules and game are way different. And it's PEYTON MANNING. Were you not alive back then or something? The dude was a stud and looked the part, even in his rookie year while throwing all of those INT's. His team was terrible and they were letting him learn on the fly.

Passing is easier now than it was then, but a 71.5 QB rating still wasn't good in 1998. It was well below average. 26 interceptions and a 4.9% was not good in 1998. Everyone that's saying he looked the part is using the power of hindsight. Just like they do with Josh Allen and others in that bucket. There's no world where Peyton Manning looked like a future HOFer/all-pro after his first 3 games, which are all we can really use in comparison.

Anyone who thinks manning had a bad rookie year is out of their mind. lol

of course, manning didn't look like a HOF player his first year, but he didnt get off to a slow start? no one has ever looked like a HOF player their rookie year. if thats how you're measuring it, then everyone ever got off to a slow start?? stop this ridiculousness lmao.

Manning had a good Rookie year overall and showed that he was more than capable of being a top QB, he just needed a better team around him and he needed to learn from his mistakes. he was top 5 in touchdowns and top 5 in yards.

This is also an era where throwing a lot of INT was much more common. Only 2 starters or so that year threw less than 10 INT. Half the starters in the league threw like 15+ int. four starters threw 20+ int. passing was a complete different ballgame back then.

It's very clear that some of you don't understand the game of football or how it was played in different eras.

Brad Freakin johnson led the league in accuracy with 64% lmao this is a time where 55% completion was pretty good. lmao just stop it.

All of the averages for year by year passing are available at https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/NFL/passing.htm. No amount of era adjustment is going to make Manning look like this clear superstar from day 1 that you guys are portraying him as. No one is even saying that Trey Lance is Peyton Manning, I'm just dismissive of this notion that it was obvious from day 1 for all of these guys. It's especially not obvious after only 3 games.

The two guys who fought the hardest about win % trumping QB stats.. are now saying Manning was a HOF after his 3 first games .. lol

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Everything you said is nonsense.

1. Peyton manning didn't have a slow start. Lmao he was 3rd in the nfl in Passing yards and 5th in passing touchdowns. Yes, he lead the league in picks but he was on a bad team that leaned on him. He showed he was a superstar in the making, he just needed to work on the INT. His second year they went 13-3. Complete nonsense.

2. Joe montana didn't have a slow start? He just wasn't starting? He was also a 3rd round pick. No one was expecting him to be some future star that was drafted high in the first round. His first year starting full time he won the super bowl?

3. Steve young is like one of the only examples in nfl history where someone got off to a really rough start, left a team, and went on to be amazing and win a Super Bowl. He went to the USFL and not the NFL initially.

4. Josh allen wasn't off to a slow start. Lol It was clear he was talented. He had one question mark and it was his accuracy. That's all.

5. Trevor Lawrence: you can't win in this league with bad coaching and bad talent around you. In Lawrence case, he had probably the worst coach in NFL history. Lmao Lawrence was someone you KNEW was a bonafide generational talent and he wasn't the issue.

6. Aaron Rodgers didn't even play his first few years cause Farve was tearing it up. When Rodgers actually took over, he was great and continued to get better. Won a super bowl in what, his third year starting?

so stop with this nonsense. Lance has a great team around him, great coaching, great offensive playbook/calling, great culture etc. he has no excuse. He's extremely raw and inexperienced and I don't think he was ready to take on the mantle of leading a Super Bowl expectation team with tons of pro bowlers and all pros. I never thought it was the right pick and It's unfortunate how it's played out.

but stop using ridiculous examples, that I know you heard on the Krueg show lmao, because it's nonsense. Learn to look into these things.

lol Manning was league MVP his 2nd season. Saying he started slow is 100% accurate when you consider the rest of his career.

Same for Joe Montana, not the example I would've brought up but it still applies. Not all his fault of course but the example still fits.

Young everyone knows about - don't let me catch you hyping up Sam Darnold with the post above tho.

Josh Allen wasn't a slow starter lol? You joking right? His only issue was accuracy? He had highlight videos on how bad his accuracy was. Buffalo fans were furious at him and thought he was a bust.

In fact he was such a great comparison to Trey the dude even did a draft video for Trey, clearly people thought they were similar.

Lawrence clearly was held back by coaching but he also wasn't good. Still a solid example of a prospect even as good as Lawrence needing time to shake off the rust.

You can also add Jalen Hurts and Justin Fields. Both weren't exactly lighting the world on fire their first few starts. Team played them and let them develop and now they look like great players moving forward.

So manning started slow, even though he was top 5 in the nfl in touchdowns and yards as a rookie, just because he went on to have a HOF career? Lmao that's ridiculous.

starting slow is poor play. Manning held a ton of rookie records for like 10-15 years after his rookie year.

Stsrting slow isn't "because he didn't have as good of a season as he did the rest of his career". Lmao come on.

Manning had a 71.5 QB Rating as a rookie, more ints than TDs, a 56% completion rate, and only 6.5 Y/A. The reason he had so many yards is because he had nearly 600 attempts. If Manning was given only 3 starts to prove himself (like Trey) then his stat line would be 2 TDs and 8 ints and a 41 QB Rating and averaging 9 pts a game. Would you bet that someone with that stat line would go on to become a HOFer and arguably top-5 QB all-time?

Bro stop this madness. You're using stats from 1998 to compare to now, the rules and game are way different. And it's PEYTON MANNING. Were you not alive back then or something? The dude was a stud and looked the part, even in his rookie year while throwing all of those INT's. His team was terrible and they were letting him learn on the fly.

Passing is easier now than it was then, but a 71.5 QB rating still wasn't good in 1998. It was well below average. 26 interceptions and a 4.9% was not good in 1998. Everyone that's saying he looked the part is using the power of hindsight. Just like they do with Josh Allen and others in that bucket. There's no world where Peyton Manning looked like a future HOFer/all-pro after his first 3 games, which are all we can really use in comparison.

Anyone who thinks manning had a bad rookie year is out of their mind. lol

of course, manning didn't look like a HOF player his first year, but he didnt get off to a slow start? no one has ever looked like a HOF player their rookie year. if thats how you're measuring it, then everyone ever got off to a slow start?? stop this ridiculousness lmao.

Manning had a good Rookie year overall and showed that he was more than capable of being a top QB, he just needed a better team around him and he needed to learn from his mistakes. he was top 5 in touchdowns and top 5 in yards.

This is also an era where throwing a lot of INT was much more common. Only 2 starters or so that year threw less than 10 INT. Half the starters in the league threw like 15+ int. four starters threw 20+ int. passing was a complete different ballgame back then.

It's very clear that some of you don't understand the game of football or how it was played in different eras.

Brad Freakin johnson led the league in accuracy with 64% lmao this is a time where 55% completion was pretty good. lmao just stop it.

54% 227 yards per game .67 TD / 2.67 INT per game in his first 3 starts.

Tell us more how amazing he was his whole SEASON as a rookie.

Would be nice if we had a look at Lance his whole rookie season. All we got were 3 full starts.

Manning flashes in his first 3 starts = great start, will only get better
Lance flashes in his first 3 starts = he sucked

Checks out

LOL what in the world are you talking about? I'm saying Manning had a good rookie season and didn't have a slow start to his career. who cares how he looked in three games?? Lance didn't get to play a whole season so talking about it is ridiculous and a debate with no end because it's all hypothetical. only thing we can say about Lance in his three full starts is that his play, cumulatively, was not good. plug in any and every excuse, doesn't change the fact that his stats were at the bottom of the league relative to everyone else and he had one of the best rosters in the NFL and Playcallers. 2 touchdowns in three games, 3 turnovers in three games, completing 55% passes, averaged 14 PPG as an offense, 1-2 W-L.

Would he have done better as the season went on? I sure hope he would have, otherwise we would of been an awful team W-L wise. honestly, he probably wouldn't have because he couldn't even grip the ball properly. So, I don't see any reason to assume that he would of got much better. Based on his track record of injuries and the way kyle was calling plays for him, I don't even think its rational to assume he would of stayed healthy all year.

you didn't get to see Lance his whole rookie year because he wasn't the best QB and he was injured. You didn't get to see lance his whole second year because he was injured (he also was the third best QB on the roster). Outside of Injury to other players, you may never see lance play here again outside of Preseason.

comparing Lance to someone like Manning is ridiculous. Manning was a generational talent, Lance isn't and has never been considered that by anyone with any sort of sense when it comes to evaluating QBs. Lance a physically gifted guy who has barely ever played QB in his entire life. you've only seen the guy throw the ball 500 times in his entire life and some claim he is oozing with potential? it doesn't make any sense. I'm not saying he doesn't have potential but he no one really knows if he has a lot of potential or not. barely ever seen him in any sort of situations that really make or break QBs.

Honestly, the team doesn't really seem to think he has much potential. They can put whatever sound bites they want in the media but their actions have made that super clear, at least not any potential they'll see any time soon - they have the guy competing with Sam Freakin Darnold, a bonified bust, for reps. that is insane. other teams don't really think he has any potential because apparently there wasn't a trade market for him, at least no one willing to give up any worthwhile picks for him.

I hope Lance has a great camp and really turns it around. changing this entire narrative around him but the only people who seem to think Lance is special are a small group of people on here. really, the only reason some think that is cause he was drafted high and is a 49er.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
The two guys who fought the hardest about win % trumping QB stats.. are now saying Manning was a HOF after his 3 first games .. lol

Wins matter most

Trey beat Houston

NO NOT THAT WIN