Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Furlow:
I'm 48. Old enough to remember that Manning was a stud, and smart enough to not trot out stat lines from his rookie season in an era where throwing the football was MUCH tougher.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Brock is supposed to be cleared to play by Aug. 21st at the earliest, which is 2 preseason games in the can.

The odds are in Lance's favor to start week 1 if he's looking good in training camp and preseason.

TREY LANCE. 80 YARDS.#KCvsSF #NFLPreseason pic.twitter.com/ixGwWzCcgj

— NFL (@NFL) August 15, 2021

Part 5/5 of my series looking at what each 49ers QB does well/where they need to improve. This is sure to ruffle some feathers! Thank you for reading supporting!

Part 5: Where Brock Purdy needs to improve#49ershttps://t.co/3su1gd6jpN pic.twitter.com/NzSKLdtgNk

— Rich (@richjmadrid) June 20, 2023

And Darnold doesn't factor in the equation, he's learning a new system, lost a camp battle to Baker Mayfield before, and will try to overcome his bad tendencies against the league's best defense. Best of luck to him.

I mean we're not playing a conference opponent week 1. It'd kinda defy logic to get Purdy out there the 1st snap of week 1 unless they've pretty much given up on getting a good look @ Trey.

That's a good way to look at it. Don't know why there's a rush to get Purdy back week 1, be cautious and making sure he's completely healthy and effective for a deep playoff run.

If Lance is as bad as some want to believe, then the team would start off slow until Purdy returns and make its usual late season run.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Brock is supposed to be cleared to play by Aug. 21st at the earliest, which is 2 preseason games in the can.

The odds are in Lance's favor to start week 1 if he's looking good in training camp and preseason.

TREY LANCE. 80 YARDS.#KCvsSF #NFLPreseason pic.twitter.com/ixGwWzCcgj

— NFL (@NFL) August 15, 2021

Part 5/5 of my series looking at what each 49ers QB does well/where they need to improve. This is sure to ruffle some feathers! Thank you for reading supporting!

Part 5: Where Brock Purdy needs to improve#49ershttps://t.co/3su1gd6jpN pic.twitter.com/NzSKLdtgNk

— Rich (@richjmadrid) June 20, 2023

And Darnold doesn't factor in the equation, he's learning a new system, lost a camp battle to Baker Mayfield before, and will try to overcome his bad tendencies against the league's best defense. Best of luck to him.

I mean we're not playing a conference opponent week 1. It'd kinda defy logic to get Purdy out there the 1st snap of week 1 unless they've pretty much given up on getting a good look @ Trey.

That's a good way to look at it. Don't know why there's a rush to get Purdy back week 1, be cautious and making sure he's completely healthy and effective for a deep playoff run.

If Lance is as bad as some want to believe, then the team would start off slow until Purdy returns and make its usual late season run.

There isn't any rush by coaches or FO. The only people who want him rushed back are a few fans who are afraid Trey would play good enough to hold on to the job.

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Man this thread was better locked lol

All these damn qb threads are toxic as f**k, can't read 1 sentence without getting tf out

• How many times can you say the same thing? Alot apparently. The WBZ has generated THOUSANDS of pages of nonsense regarding TL and Purdy. Not sure how fans can draw lines in the sand at this point, especially those that have been around for awhile and know better.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
That's a good way to look at it. Don't know why there's a rush to get Purdy back week 1, be cautious and making sure he's completely healthy and effective for a deep playoff run.

If Lance is as bad as some want to believe, then the team would start off slow until Purdy returns and make its usual late season run.

If Brock is their guy there is absolutely no reason to rush him back for week 1. Especially with no off-season and having to go against TJ Watt right off the bat.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Man this thread was better locked lol

All these damn qb threads are toxic as f**k, can't read 1 sentence without getting tf out

• How many times can you say the same thing? Alot apparently. The WBZ has regurgitated THOUSANDS of pages of nonsense regarding TL and Purdy. Not sure how fans can draw lines in the sand at this point, especially those that have been around for awhile and know better.

fify

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Bro stop this madness. You're using stats from 1998 to compare to now, the rules and game are way different.

Way different? Not nearly as different as they were in the 1950's. Talk about extreme exaggeration. Trying too hard here.

Yes way different. Look at the difference in passing stats from the late 90's to now. It's not even close. Much easier to pass.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:
There isn't any rush by coaches or FO. The only people who want him rushed back are a few fans who are afraid Trey would play good enough to hold on to the job.

I promise you, no one fears that

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Bro stop this madness. You're using stats from 1998 to compare to now, the rules and game are way different.

Way different? Not nearly as different as they were in the 1950's. Talk about extreme exaggeration. Trying too hard here.

Yes way different. Look at the difference in passing stats from the late 90's to now. It's not even close. Much easier to pass.

The rules aren't as different as you're implying, for 1.

For 2,....do you even begin to understand how relative your statement is? "Way" without any reference to anything else is as subjective as subjective gets,....meaning it means very little.

I can counter your "way",..and say the game and the rules are "barely" any different than they were in the 90's and I'd be just as accurate. Why? Because I gave no frame of reference, just as you didnt. And it'd be super easy to back up with facts as well.

So I'd encourage you to give a frame of reference, just as I did (the 1950's,...a time where records are still compared to). Simply saying something online and supplementing with an adjective like "way" doesn't make it undeniably true or anything. Add some context.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Bro stop this madness. You're using stats from 1998 to compare to now, the rules and game are way different.

Way different? Not nearly as different as they were in the 1950's. Talk about extreme exaggeration. Trying too hard here.

Yes way different. Look at the difference in passing stats from the late 90's to now. It's not even close. Much easier to pass.

The rules aren't as different as you're implying, for 1.

For 2,....do you even begin to understand how relative your statement is? "Way" without any reference to anything else is as subjective as subjective gets,....meaning it means very little.

I can counter your "way",..and say the game and the rules are "barely" any different than they were in the 90's and I'd be just as accurate. Why? Because I gave no frame of reference, just as you didnt. And it'd be super easy to back up with facts as well.

So I'd encourage you to give a frame of reference, just as I did (the 1950's,...a time where records are still compared to). Simply saying something online and supplementing with an adjective like "way" doesn't make it undeniably true or anything. Add some context.

I get that you like to argue for argument's sake, but this is insane. Anyone and everyone who watches football knows that the NFL has made a huge push to protect QB's and WR's over the past 20-30 seasons in order to increase offensive production. You can barely even touch the QB these days. WR's run free routes anywhere on the field, and are now even protected when they go over the middle. I don't need a "reference point" to make this argument - it is clear and obvious to anyone who watches NFL football.

The "context" that you're looking for was in the exchange itself. The OP was using stats from 1998 and comparing them to stats from 2021, which is a ridiculous comparison.

The bottom line is Manning was a legit stud his rookie season and everyone could see it. Can't make that same argument for Trey. Yes, Trey can still turn it around but using Manning's stats from his rookie season as evidence of that is a terrible argument.

"I think the sooner you take the bumps and bruises, and the more experience you get (early), the better off you'll be in the long run," the rookie from Tennessee said. "I'll have to learn on the job and make some mistakes, but hopefully I won't make a bunch of them. ... You can only be so good on the chalkboard or paper. You have to be good on the field. The only way to do that is to get on the field and play." -Peyton Manning

Originally posted by Waterbear:
"I think the sooner you take the bumps and bruises, and the more experience you get (early), the better off you'll be in the long run," the rookie from Tennessee said. "I'll have to learn on the job and make some mistakes, but hopefully I won't make a bunch of them. ... You can only be so good on the chalkboard or paper. You have to be good on the field. The only way to do that is to get on the field and play." -Peyton Manning

This isn't really where the disagreement lies is it? I think almost everyone thinks Lance needs to play.

The disagreement lies in prioritizing his development when we* have better options and the team is ready to win right now.

Kyle and CO. deserve criticism for putting the team and Lance in this no win situation. To think you can win and develop a raw prospect like Lance at the same time is pretty high level arrogance.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
"I think the sooner you take the bumps and bruises, and the more experience you get (early), the better off you'll be in the long run," the rookie from Tennessee said. "I'll have to learn on the job and make some mistakes, but hopefully I won't make a bunch of them. ... You can only be so good on the chalkboard or paper. You have to be good on the field. The only way to do that is to get on the field and play." -Peyton Manning

Depends on the QB. You have Mike LaFleur saying that in hindsight, it would have benefitted Zach Wilson to sit behind a vet. Peyton Manning and Trey Lance don't belong in the same sentence, outside of this sentence, saying they don't belong. Peyton was the son of an NFL QB. Peyton was a 4 year starter in the SEC. He was a can't miss in my book, when he was eligible for the draft. He wasn't a I played well for a handful of months in the Dakotas, after being lightly recruited, type of prospect. About as opposite as you can get.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Depends on the QB. You have Mike LaFleur saying that in hindsight, it would have benefitted Zach Wilson to sit behind a vet. Peyton Manning and Trey Lance don't belong in the same sentence, outside of this sentence, saying they don't belong. Peyton was the son of an NFL QB. Peyton was a 4 year starter in the SEC. He was a can't miss in my book, when he was eligible for the draft. He wasn't a I played well for a handful of months in the Dakotas, after being lightly recruited, type of prospect. About as opposite as you can get.

He definitely wasn't a project. One of the most complete prospects ever obviously. He needed to adjust to being a pro and playing against NFL defenses and the speed they bring. That was really about it.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
"I think the sooner you take the bumps and bruises, and the more experience you get (early), the better off you'll be in the long run," the rookie from Tennessee said. "I'll have to learn on the job and make some mistakes, but hopefully I won't make a bunch of them. ... You can only be so good on the chalkboard or paper. You have to be good on the field. The only way to do that is to get on the field and play." -Peyton Manning

Depends on the QB. You have Mike LaFleur saying that in hindsight, it would have benefitted Zach Wilson to sit behind a vet. Peyton Manning and Trey Lance don't belong in the same sentence, outside of this sentence, saying they don't belong. Peyton was the son of an NFL QB. Peyton was a 4 year starter in the SEC. He was a can't miss in my book, when he was eligible for the draft. He wasn't a I played well for a handful of months in the Dakotas, after being lightly recruited, type of prospect. About as opposite as you can get.

Exactly this. For Manning, who was a literal football genius, getting on the field is what he needed to improve. For most QB's, they need time to actually learn and develop the many other facets of playing QB.

I can't believe we've had to spend this much time differentiating an all-time great to Trey lol.