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Jun 26, 2023 at 5:33 PM
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
The team started 3-4 in 2021 and 3-5 in 2022, and ended up in the NFCCG both seasons. They can afford to start Trey the 1st few games of the season, and go back to Purdy who should definitely be 100% by weeks 3-4, if Trey isn't up to the task.

That's an unacceptable scenario for some because it leaves the possibility that Trey might play well and remain the starter.

It's unacceptable to not play the player who gives us the best chance to win games because 1 or 2 games might be the difference in traveling to play the NFC title game and playing at Levi's where they haven't lost under this regime.

One or even a handful of games is not enough to get a serious look at Lance or further develop him. If you believe he could take that opportunity and parlay it into a full time starting position than you should believe he'll show it in practice first. He has that opportunity now.

Players like Trey tend to show up better in games than practice. That could be part of the issue.

Kyle is a genius with his scheme but he's also very particular by all accounts. There have been several plays Trey put on tape that were great plays in the result but I bet you Kyle wasn't happy with the execution because Trey didn't take the designed throw and improvised.

But in the end if the drive is moving and you score points that's what matters. But does Kyle want that? I'm not sure. But his ego cannot stand in the way. We need someone who can play great in the scheme or outside of it. I just don't think the later translates much to practice.
Jun 26, 2023 at 5:48 PM
Originally posted by genus49:
Players like Trey tend to show up better in games than practice. That could be part of the issue.

Kyle is a genius with his scheme but he's also very particular by all accounts. There have been several plays Trey put on tape that were great plays in the result but I bet you Kyle wasn't happy with the execution because Trey didn't take the designed throw and improvised.

But in the end if the drive is moving and you score points that's what matters. But does Kyle want that? I'm not sure. But his ego cannot stand in the way. We need someone who can play great in the scheme or outside of it. I just don't think the later translates much to practice.

Definitely agree with this, but I think this applies to all coaches.

This kind of thing underlies the argument about his play in the Texans game. There were a handful of plays that he executed poorly where the result ended up being positive. And some that were negative. I don't think this is the type of thing coaches want to see until the basics are routine, and when coaches get excited about improvisational success it's usually because the normal options in a play aren't there. You can't trust players to execute badly and consistently have positive results. You can trust players who execute well and generate positive results when they have something to fall back on when a play doesn't work. With Trey, you'd think that would be scrambling and running… not passing up an easy completion on a primary and completing a harder pass anyway.

I would guess that it's probably harder to show real improvisational skills in practice like you do though in any case.
Jun 26, 2023 at 6:33 PM
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by genus49:
Players like Trey tend to show up better in games than practice. That could be part of the issue.

Kyle is a genius with his scheme but he's also very particular by all accounts. There have been several plays Trey put on tape that were great plays in the result but I bet you Kyle wasn't happy with the execution because Trey didn't take the designed throw and improvised.

But in the end if the drive is moving and you score points that's what matters. But does Kyle want that? I'm not sure. But his ego cannot stand in the way. We need someone who can play great in the scheme or outside of it. I just don't think the later translates much to practice.

Definitely agree with this, but I think this applies to all coaches.

This kind of thing underlies the argument about his play in the Texans game. There were a handful of plays that he executed poorly where the result ended up being positive. And some that were negative. I don't think this is the type of thing coaches want to see until the basics are routine, and when coaches get excited about improvisational success it's usually because the normal options in a play aren't there. You can't trust players to execute badly and consistently have positive results. You can trust players who execute well and generate positive results when they have something to fall back on when a play doesn't work. With Trey, you'd think that would be scrambling and running… not passing up an easy completion on a primary and completing a harder pass anyway.

I would guess that it's probably harder to show real improvisational skills in practice like you do though in any case.

The thing is Trey was 21 and dealing with a busted finger as a rookie. How much of his reluctance to take the drawn up "easy" stuff was due to his lack of understanding the offense vs not trusting his finger or just not having experience enough to know what NFL open is yet?

Either way that's something that's hard to get a clear read on so early in a young man's career and I really hope Kyle isn't stubborn enough to bury the kid cuz of those crazy circumstances after they were the ones to put him in them.
Jun 26, 2023 at 6:55 PM
Originally posted by genus49:
The thing is Trey was 21 and dealing with a busted finger as a rookie. How much of his reluctance to take the drawn up "easy" stuff was due to his lack of understanding the offense vs not trusting his finger or just not having experience enough to know what NFL open is yet?

Either way that's something that's hard to get a clear read on so early in a young man's career and I really hope Kyle isn't stubborn enough to bury the kid cuz of those crazy circumstances after they were the ones to put him in them.

I would think those kinds of issues are the product of a lack of experience and a huge jump in competition. I don't put much stock in his finger injury because on a lot of those plays he attempted more difficult passes anyway.

From Trey's perspective, I agree with you that he's the victim of circumstance here in a lot of ways. That's why I don't think it was a good situation to land in for him. Not only is the team naturally going to be impatient, given their current position, but he was behind a successful veteran and now he has another young guy in his way who hit the ground running and had the offense operating the best it has under the current staff. From the team's perspective, I think their guiding factors in making decisions at the position have to prioritize the opportunity they have in the short term, not to mention Purdy can be a great player long term without the plus physical attributes. Don't think it's a close call, as least as it stands, even if it's a raw deal for Trey. The best thing for him would be to play as soon as possible whether that's here or elsewhere and even if it's not here, he's probably waiting at least one and maybe two more years to even have an opportunity to move on. It's not his fault, but we also don't owe him anything.
Jun 26, 2023 at 10:24 PM
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
The team started 3-4 in 2021 and 3-5 in 2022, and ended up in the NFCCG both seasons. They can afford to start Trey the 1st few games of the season, and go back to Purdy who should definitely be 100% by weeks 3-4, if Trey isn't up to the task.

That's an unacceptable scenario for some because it leaves the possibility that Trey might play well and remain the starter.

It's unacceptable to not play the player who gives us the best chance to win games because 1 or 2 games might be the difference in traveling to play the NFC title game and playing at Levi's where they haven't lost under this regime.

One or even a handful of games is not enough to get a serious look at Lance or further develop him. If you believe he could take that opportunity and parlay it into a full time starting position than you should believe he'll show it in practice first. He has that opportunity now.

Players like Trey tend to show up better in games than practice. That could be part of the issue.

Kyle is a genius with his scheme but he's also very particular by all accounts. There have been several plays Trey put on tape that were great plays in the result but I bet you Kyle wasn't happy with the execution because Trey didn't take the designed throw and improvised.

But in the end if the drive is moving and you score points that's what matters. But does Kyle want that? I'm not sure. But his ego cannot stand in the way. We need someone who can play great in the scheme or outside of it. I just don't think the later translates much to practice.

The bolded is exactly why he has an affinity for Purdy and showed more trust in him than he has in any other QB the 49ers have had in his tenure.

Purdy played excellent within the scheme and executed; when he had to go outside of it or if a play broke down, he was the perfect blend of safe and aggressive. There were a couple times where he maybe pushed too hard or got a little too risky (there were a couple dropped picks) but other than that, he was very smart and knew when to throw the ball away or when he could use escapability to get yards with his feet or find a man downfield off-script, or check down to McCaffrey in the open field.

With the utter lack of experience in college and pro's--coupled with Lance's injuries, youth, and (indirectly but clearly implied by teammates) lack of confidence and command, it's just a situation where you have a guy in Lance who's had misfortune and poor timing.
Jun 26, 2023 at 10:46 PM
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Brock is supposed to be cleared to play by Aug. 21st at the earliest, which is 2 preseason games in the can.

The odds are in Lance's favor to start week 1 if he's looking good in training camp and preseason.



And Darnold doesn't factor in the equation, he's learning a new system, lost a camp battle to Baker Mayfield before, and will try to overcome his bad tendencies against the league's best defense. Best of luck to him.

I mean we're not playing a conference opponent week 1. It'd kinda defy logic to get Purdy out there the 1st snap of week 1 unless they've pretty much given up on getting a good look @ Trey.

That's a good way to look at it. Don't know why there's a rush to get Purdy back week 1, be cautious and making sure he's completely healthy and effective for a deep playoff run.

If Lance is as bad as some want to believe, then the team would start off slow until Purdy returns and make its usual late season run.

Unless he's absolutely electric in camp and two preseason games and Purdy isn't fully healthy, there is no way Lance starts in that scenario. The team has already said if Purdy is healthy, he's the starter. Purdy is going to take part in training camp despite not being fully cleared...there's no QB contact.

Purdy getting the 3rd preseason game to shake the rust and get right is exactly what they'd want.

I don't see a world in which Lance is starting if Purdy is good to go. I'm not against him it just kinda goes against everything that's been said and what both have shown thus far.
Jun 27, 2023 at 8:18 AM
Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Brock is supposed to be cleared to play by Aug. 21st at the earliest, which is 2 preseason games in the can.

The odds are in Lance's favor to start week 1 if he's looking good in training camp and preseason.



And Darnold doesn't factor in the equation, he's learning a new system, lost a camp battle to Baker Mayfield before, and will try to overcome his bad tendencies against the league's best defense. Best of luck to him.

I mean we're not playing a conference opponent week 1. It'd kinda defy logic to get Purdy out there the 1st snap of week 1 unless they've pretty much given up on getting a good look @ Trey.

That's a good way to look at it. Don't know why there's a rush to get Purdy back week 1, be cautious and making sure he's completely healthy and effective for a deep playoff run.

If Lance is as bad as some want to believe, then the team would start off slow until Purdy returns and make its usual late season run.

Unless he's absolutely electric in camp and two preseason games and Purdy isn't fully healthy, there is no way Lance starts in that scenario. The team has already said if Purdy is healthy, he's the starter. Purdy is going to take part in training camp despite not being fully cleared...there's no QB contact.

Purdy getting the 3rd preseason game to shake the rust and get right is exactly what they'd want.

I don't see a world in which Lance is starting if Purdy is good to go. I'm not against him it just kinda goes against everything that's been said and what both have shown thus far.

Lance has played well in both his two prior training camps. He lit it up as a rookie but it apparently didn't count because it was against the 2nd team, but he then went on to outperforming Jimmy in preseason games.

Last year he supposedly had an up & down camp, which was expected as a 1st year starter going against the league's best defense.

But he performed well in joint practices against the Vikings who were a division winning playoff team last year. Against them he completed 23 of 35 passes and hit Deebo for 30 yards on a 4th and 10 play.

Lance is prepared to be the starter, it was an unfortunate injury that cut his season short, and it was an unfortunate injury that will give him another chance to become the franchise QB.

Darnold isn't going to beat out Lance, he couldn't defend his job against Baker Mayfield.

And Purdy wouldn't beat out Lance in a training camp battle, you can see clips from last year of the two throwing passes side by side, short, intermediate or long, Lance smoked him. Purdy is a just gamer.

And though he maybe available by August 24th, there will still be questions on the velocity on his throws and whether last year's success is sustainable given that there is tape on his tendencies and he hasn't had an offseason to work on his game.

That's important as Seattle will have Jamal Adams and Bobby Wagner returning, they're not going to drop the near interceptions that the other LBs did in the playoffs. Plus Seattle added more CB talent.

Lance is going to get his shot.

https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/lance-able-to-settle-into-groove-with-vikings-practices/1428048/?amp=1
[ Edited by SinceXVI on Jun 27, 2023 at 9:08 AM ]
Jun 27, 2023 at 9:45 AM
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Brock is supposed to be cleared to play by Aug. 21st at the earliest, which is 2 preseason games in the can.

The odds are in Lance's favor to start week 1 if he's looking good in training camp and preseason.



And Darnold doesn't factor in the equation, he's learning a new system, lost a camp battle to Baker Mayfield before, and will try to overcome his bad tendencies against the league's best defense. Best of luck to him.

I mean we're not playing a conference opponent week 1. It'd kinda defy logic to get Purdy out there the 1st snap of week 1 unless they've pretty much given up on getting a good look @ Trey.

That's a good way to look at it. Don't know why there's a rush to get Purdy back week 1, be cautious and making sure he's completely healthy and effective for a deep playoff run.

If Lance is as bad as some want to believe, then the team would start off slow until Purdy returns and make its usual late season run.

Unless he's absolutely electric in camp and two preseason games and Purdy isn't fully healthy, there is no way Lance starts in that scenario. The team has already said if Purdy is healthy, he's the starter. Purdy is going to take part in training camp despite not being fully cleared...there's no QB contact.

Purdy getting the 3rd preseason game to shake the rust and get right is exactly what they'd want.

I don't see a world in which Lance is starting if Purdy is good to go. I'm not against him it just kinda goes against everything that's been said and what both have shown thus far.

Lance has played well in both his two prior training camps. He lit it up as a rookie but it apparently didn't count because it was against the 2nd team, but he then went on to outperforming Jimmy in preseason games.

Last year he supposedly had an up & down camp, which was expected as a 1st year starter going against the league's best defense.

But he performed well in joint practices against the Vikings who were a division winning playoff team last year. Against them he completed 23 of 35 passes and hit Deebo for 30 yards on a 4th and 10 play.

Lance is prepared to be the starter, it was an unfortunate injury that cut his season short, and it was an unfortunate injury that will give him another chance to become the franchise QB.

Darnold isn't going to beat out Lance, he couldn't defend his job against Baker Mayfield.

And Purdy wouldn't beat out Lance in a training camp battle, you can see clips from last year of the two throwing passes side by side, short, intermediate or long, Lance smoked him. Purdy is a just gamer.

And though he maybe available by August 24th, there will still be questions on the velocity on his throws and whether last year's success is sustainable given that there is tape on his tendencies and he hasn't had an offseason to work on his game.

That's important as Seattle will have Jamal Adams and Bobby Wagner returning, they're not going to drop the near interceptions that the other LBs did in the playoffs. Plus Seattle added more CB talent.

Lance is going to get his shot.

https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/lance-able-to-settle-into-groove-with-vikings-practices/1428048/?amp=1

My fav part of this post is the way the Vikings are characterized
Jun 27, 2023 at 10:18 AM
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Brock is supposed to be cleared to play by Aug. 21st at the earliest, which is 2 preseason games in the can.

The odds are in Lance's favor to start week 1 if he's looking good in training camp and preseason.



And Darnold doesn't factor in the equation, he's learning a new system, lost a camp battle to Baker Mayfield before, and will try to overcome his bad tendencies against the league's best defense. Best of luck to him.

I mean we're not playing a conference opponent week 1. It'd kinda defy logic to get Purdy out there the 1st snap of week 1 unless they've pretty much given up on getting a good look @ Trey.

That's a good way to look at it. Don't know why there's a rush to get Purdy back week 1, be cautious and making sure he's completely healthy and effective for a deep playoff run.

If Lance is as bad as some want to believe, then the team would start off slow until Purdy returns and make its usual late season run.

Unless he's absolutely electric in camp and two preseason games and Purdy isn't fully healthy, there is no way Lance starts in that scenario. The team has already said if Purdy is healthy, he's the starter. Purdy is going to take part in training camp despite not being fully cleared...there's no QB contact.

Purdy getting the 3rd preseason game to shake the rust and get right is exactly what they'd want.

I don't see a world in which Lance is starting if Purdy is good to go. I'm not against him it just kinda goes against everything that's been said and what both have shown thus far.

Lance has played well in both his two prior training camps. He lit it up as a rookie but it apparently didn't count because it was against the 2nd team, but he then went on to outperforming Jimmy in preseason games.

Last year he supposedly had an up & down camp, which was expected as a 1st year starter going against the league's best defense.

But he performed well in joint practices against the Vikings who were a division winning playoff team last year. Against them he completed 23 of 35 passes and hit Deebo for 30 yards on a 4th and 10 play.

Lance is prepared to be the starter, it was an unfortunate injury that cut his season short, and it was an unfortunate injury that will give him another chance to become the franchise QB.

Darnold isn't going to beat out Lance, he couldn't defend his job against Baker Mayfield.

And Purdy wouldn't beat out Lance in a training camp battle, you can see clips from last year of the two throwing passes side by side, short, intermediate or long, Lance smoked him. Purdy is a just gamer.

And though he maybe available by August 24th, there will still be questions on the velocity on his throws and whether last year's success is sustainable given that there is tape on his tendencies and he hasn't had an offseason to work on his game.

That's important as Seattle will have Jamal Adams and Bobby Wagner returning, they're not going to drop the near interceptions that the other LBs did in the playoffs. Plus Seattle added more CB talent.

Lance is going to get his shot.

https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/lance-able-to-settle-into-groove-with-vikings-practices/1428048/?amp=1

My fav part of this post is the way the Vikings are characterized

I'm aware they had the worst ranked passing defense last year, it's a comparison that shows that while Trey had good days and bad days facing the best defense, that he performed well against another team.

If you can't perform well in practice, you can't perform well in a regular season game. If you can't beat beat bad teams, you're not beating good teams.
Jun 27, 2023 at 10:26 AM
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Brock is supposed to be cleared to play by Aug. 21st at the earliest, which is 2 preseason games in the can.

The odds are in Lance's favor to start week 1 if he's looking good in training camp and preseason.



And Darnold doesn't factor in the equation, he's learning a new system, lost a camp battle to Baker Mayfield before, and will try to overcome his bad tendencies against the league's best defense. Best of luck to him.

I mean we're not playing a conference opponent week 1. It'd kinda defy logic to get Purdy out there the 1st snap of week 1 unless they've pretty much given up on getting a good look @ Trey.

That's a good way to look at it. Don't know why there's a rush to get Purdy back week 1, be cautious and making sure he's completely healthy and effective for a deep playoff run.

If Lance is as bad as some want to believe, then the team would start off slow until Purdy returns and make its usual late season run.

Unless he's absolutely electric in camp and two preseason games and Purdy isn't fully healthy, there is no way Lance starts in that scenario. The team has already said if Purdy is healthy, he's the starter. Purdy is going to take part in training camp despite not being fully cleared...there's no QB contact.

Purdy getting the 3rd preseason game to shake the rust and get right is exactly what they'd want.

I don't see a world in which Lance is starting if Purdy is good to go. I'm not against him it just kinda goes against everything that's been said and what both have shown thus far.

Lance has played well in both his two prior training camps. He lit it up as a rookie but it apparently didn't count because it was against the 2nd team, but he then went on to outperforming Jimmy in preseason games.

Last year he supposedly had an up & down camp, which was expected as a 1st year starter going against the league's best defense.

But he performed well in joint practices against the Vikings who were a division winning playoff team last year. Against them he completed 23 of 35 passes and hit Deebo for 30 yards on a 4th and 10 play.

Lance is prepared to be the starter, it was an unfortunate injury that cut his season short, and it was an unfortunate injury that will give him another chance to become the franchise QB.

Darnold isn't going to beat out Lance, he couldn't defend his job against Baker Mayfield.

And Purdy wouldn't beat out Lance in a training camp battle, you can see clips from last year of the two throwing passes side by side, short, intermediate or long, Lance smoked him. Purdy is a just gamer.

And though he maybe available by August 24th, there will still be questions on the velocity on his throws and whether last year's success is sustainable given that there is tape on his tendencies and he hasn't had an offseason to work on his game.

That's important as Seattle will have Jamal Adams and Bobby Wagner returning, they're not going to drop the near interceptions that the other LBs did in the playoffs. Plus Seattle added more CB talent.

Lance is going to get his shot.

https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/lance-able-to-settle-into-groove-with-vikings-practices/1428048/?amp=1

My fav part of this post is the way the Vikings are characterized

I'm aware they had the worst ranked passing defense last year, it's a comparison that shows that while Trey had good days and bad days facing the best defense, that he performed well against another team.

If you can't perform well in practice, you can't perform well in a regular season game. If you can't beat beat bad teams, you're not beating good teams.

Jun 27, 2023 at 10:46 AM
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Lance has played well in both his two prior training camps. He lit it up as a rookie but it apparently didn't count because it was against the 2nd team, but he then went on to outperforming Jimmy in preseason games.

Last year he supposedly had an up & down camp, which was expected as a 1st year starter going against the league's best defense.

But he performed well in joint practices against the Vikings who were a division winning playoff team last year. Against them he completed 23 of 35 passes and hit Deebo for 30 yards on a 4th and 10 play.

Lance is prepared to be the starter, it was an unfortunate injury that cut his season short, and it was an unfortunate injury that will give him another chance to become the franchise QB.

Darnold isn't going to beat out Lance, he couldn't defend his job against Baker Mayfield.

And Purdy wouldn't beat out Lance in a training camp battle, you can see clips from last year of the two throwing passes side by side, short, intermediate or long, Lance smoked him. Purdy is a just gamer.

And though he maybe available by August 24th, there will still be questions on the velocity on his throws and whether last year's success is sustainable given that there is tape on his tendencies and he hasn't had an offseason to work on his game.

That's important as Seattle will have Jamal Adams and Bobby Wagner returning, they're not going to drop the near interceptions that the other LBs did in the playoffs. Plus Seattle added more CB talent.

Lance is going to get his shot.

https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/lance-able-to-settle-into-groove-with-vikings-practices/1428048/?amp=1

Which is a statement that I think falls under the category of more magical thinking. Almost every credible source within the team has at least indicated to some degree or another that Lance has had his share of struggles during his two previous training camps. No less an authority than George Kittle said during these most recent OTA's that Lance has looked better this year than in previous years and, by most accounts, he was not significantly better than Darnold this year. I never cease to be amazed by the degree that people in here will literally make stuff up simply because they WANT it to be true, and not because it has much grounding in the actual reporting of what is going on.
Jun 27, 2023 at 11:24 AM
Originally posted by 49ers81:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Lance has played well in both his two prior training camps. He lit it up as a rookie but it apparently didn't count because it was against the 2nd team, but he then went on to outperforming Jimmy in preseason games.

Last year he supposedly had an up & down camp, which was expected as a 1st year starter going against the league's best defense.

But he performed well in joint practices against the Vikings who were a division winning playoff team last year. Against them he completed 23 of 35 passes and hit Deebo for 30 yards on a 4th and 10 play.

Lance is prepared to be the starter, it was an unfortunate injury that cut his season short, and it was an unfortunate injury that will give him another chance to become the franchise QB.

Darnold isn't going to beat out Lance, he couldn't defend his job against Baker Mayfield.

And Purdy wouldn't beat out Lance in a training camp battle, you can see clips from last year of the two throwing passes side by side, short, intermediate or long, Lance smoked him. Purdy is a just gamer.

And though he maybe available by August 24th, there will still be questions on the velocity on his throws and whether last year's success is sustainable given that there is tape on his tendencies and he hasn't had an offseason to work on his game.

That's important as Seattle will have Jamal Adams and Bobby Wagner returning, they're not going to drop the near interceptions that the other LBs did in the playoffs. Plus Seattle added more CB talent.

Lance is going to get his shot.

https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/lance-able-to-settle-into-groove-with-vikings-practices/1428048/?amp=1

Which is a statement that I think falls under the category of more magical thinking. Almost every credible source within the team has at least indicated to some degree or another that Lance has had his share of struggles during his two previous training camps. No less an authority than George Kittle said during these most recent OTA's that Lance has looked better this year than in previous years and, by most accounts, he was not significantly better than Darnold this year. I never cease to be amazed by the degree that people in here will literally make stuff up simply because they WANT it to be true, and not because it has much grounding in the actual reporting of what is going on.

Magical thinking is this when a person believes thoughts, specific words, emotions or rituals can influence the external world, an example is the toxic positivity myth of ''The Secret' which believes in thinking good outcomes into existence.

What you're trying to accuse me of is 'motivated reasoning' which is using bias to construct and evaluate arguments to support a preferred conclusion.

The media driven narrative of Purdy being the week 1 starter can be considered magical thinking as it ignores the possibility of a setback or delay in Purdy's recovery, as well as ignores that Shanahan will be making the decision, not Kittle, Lynch, pundits, or fans.
Jun 27, 2023 at 11:29 AM
The thread that keeps on giving.

Jun 27, 2023 at 11:43 AM
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Magical thinking is this when a person believes thoughts, specific words, emotions or rituals can influence the external world, an example is the toxic positivity myth of ''The Secret' which believes in thinking good outcomes into existence.

What you're trying to accuse me of is 'motivated reasoning' which is using bias to construct and evaluate arguments to support a preferred conclusion.

The media driven narrative of Purdy being the week 1 starter can be considered magical thinking as it ignores the possibility of a setback or delay in Purdy's recovery, as well as ignores that Shanahan will be making the decision, not Kittle, Lynch, pundits, or fans.

First off, BP as QB1, isn't media driven. It's reality driven if you followed 2022 as we all did. It's also KS and JLs outright statement, that's he's earned it.

Everything I have seen, is QB1, with the if healthy caveat. I would, and have been, going a step further, and saying not only if healthy, but he's got to have enough time being healthy, to work with the ones, and be in game shape. Being able to practice in mid Aug is a tight turnaround for an early Sept week 1. That's about three weeks to cram in an offseason that most other QBs have months to prep for. Trust me, I get the concern. I hear he is trending toward QB1 week 1, based on his timeline. I would say it's a 50/50, which is better than I would have said, a month or two ago.
Jun 27, 2023 at 11:59 AM
Originally posted by 49ers81:
Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Lance has played well in both his two prior training camps. He lit it up as a rookie but it apparently didn't count because it was against the 2nd team, but he then went on to outperforming Jimmy in preseason games.

Last year he supposedly had an up & down camp, which was expected as a 1st year starter going against the league's best defense.

But he performed well in joint practices against the Vikings who were a division winning playoff team last year. Against them he completed 23 of 35 passes and hit Deebo for 30 yards on a 4th and 10 play.

Lance is prepared to be the starter, it was an unfortunate injury that cut his season short, and it was an unfortunate injury that will give him another chance to become the franchise QB.

Darnold isn't going to beat out Lance, he couldn't defend his job against Baker Mayfield.

And Purdy wouldn't beat out Lance in a training camp battle, you can see clips from last year of the two throwing passes side by side, short, intermediate or long, Lance smoked him. Purdy is a just gamer.

And though he maybe available by August 24th, there will still be questions on the velocity on his throws and whether last year's success is sustainable given that there is tape on his tendencies and he hasn't had an offseason to work on his game.

That's important as Seattle will have Jamal Adams and Bobby Wagner returning, they're not going to drop the near interceptions that the other LBs did in the playoffs. Plus Seattle added more CB talent.

Lance is going to get his shot.

https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/lance-able-to-settle-into-groove-with-vikings-practices/1428048/?amp=1

Which is a statement that I think falls under the category of more magical thinking. Almost every credible source within the team has at least indicated to some degree or another that Lance has had his share of struggles during his two previous training camps. No less an authority than George Kittle said during these most recent OTA's that Lance has looked better this year than in previous years and, by most accounts, he was not significantly better than Darnold this year. I never cease to be amazed by the degree that people in here will literally make stuff up simply because they WANT it to be true, and not because it has much grounding in the actual reporting of what is going on.

What about the posters who claim they know Kyle never wanted to draft Trey, or that Trey was in Hawaii while skipping workouts with his teammates, or that Trey wanted to be traded because he posted a peace sign emoji on a post about Ran Carthon leaving, or that Kyle and John were actively trying to trade Trey for peanuts but there were no takers?

In the past you called people who hoped Trey would start, or *think* Trey could be an elite QB "wishful thinkers".

But, of course, you never correct someone if the "wishful thinking" is negative about Trey, you only chime in when it's positive.

Enough already.
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