Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Magical thinking is this when a person believes thoughts, specific words, emotions or rituals can influence the external world, an example is the toxic positivity myth of ''The Secret' which believes in thinking good outcomes into existence.

What you're trying to accuse me of is 'motivated reasoning' which is using bias to construct and evaluate arguments to support a preferred conclusion.

The media driven narrative of Purdy being the week 1 starter can be considered magical thinking as it ignores the possibility of a setback or delay in Purdy's recovery, as well as ignores that Shanahan will be making the decision, not Kittle, Lynch, pundits, or fans.

First off, BP as QB1, isn't media driven. It's reality driven if you followed 2022 as we all did. It's also KS and JLs outright statement, that's he's earned it.

Everything I have seen, is QB1, with the if healthy caveat. I would, and have been, going a step further, and saying not only if healthy, but he's got to have enough time being healthy, to work with the ones, and be in game shape. Being able to practice in mid Aug is a tight turnaround for an early Sept week 1. That's about three weeks to cram in an offseason that most other QBs have months to prep for. Trust me, I get the concern. I hear he is trending toward QB1 week 1, based on his timeline. I would say it's a 50/50, which is better than I would have said, a month or two ago.

I hear you. I'm just pushing back against the false narrative that Lance has no chance at starting, that he's buried at QB3 no matter what he does.

We all know that nothing is set in stone, especially when it comes to our QBs' health.

Just because Lance may get another chance to start, it doesn't mean that he won't get injured or play himself out of the job.

But the notion that he's some raw prospect not capable of leading this team is false given that he's been in this system 3 years now and has shown that he can play well on this level.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Magical thinking is this when a person believes thoughts, specific words, emotions or rituals can influence the external world, an example is the toxic positivity myth of ''The Secret' which believes in thinking good outcomes into existence.

What you're trying to accuse me of is 'motivated reasoning' which is using bias to construct and evaluate arguments to support a preferred conclusion.

The media driven narrative of Purdy being the week 1 starter can be considered magical thinking as it ignores the possibility of a setback or delay in Purdy's recovery, as well as ignores that Shanahan will be making the decision, not Kittle, Lynch, pundits, or fans.

First off, BP as QB1, isn't media driven. It's reality driven if you followed 2022 as we all did. It's also KS and JLs outright statement, that's he's earned it.

Everything I have seen, is QB1, with the if healthy caveat. I would, and have been, going a step further, and saying not only if healthy, but he's got to have enough time being healthy, to work with the ones, and be in game shape. Being able to practice in mid Aug is a tight turnaround for an early Sept week 1. That's about three weeks to cram in an offseason that most other QBs have months to prep for. Trust me, I get the concern. I hear he is trending toward QB1 week 1, based on his timeline. I would say it's a 50/50, which is better than I would have said, a month or two ago.

I hear you. I'm just pushing back against the false narrative that Lance has no chance at starting, that he's buried at QB3 no matter what he does.

We all know that nothing is set in stone, especially when it comes to our QBs' health.

Just because Lance may get another chance to start, it doesn't mean that he won't get injured or play himself out of the job.

But the notion that he's some raw prospect not capable of leading this team is false given that he's been in this system 3 years now and has shown that he can play well on this level.

On your last sentence, I don't think the notion is true or false. It's TBD.

I don't think he's shown he can play well on this level yet. Far from it. This was the Martz critique. He showed Martz that he's light years away from playing well at this level, that was the last full game he played, the one Martz was basing his determination on.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Magical thinking is this when a person believes thoughts, specific words, emotions or rituals can influence the external world, an example is the toxic positivity myth of ''The Secret' which believes in thinking good outcomes into existence.

What you're trying to accuse me of is 'motivated reasoning' which is using bias to construct and evaluate arguments to support a preferred conclusion.

The media driven narrative of Purdy being the week 1 starter can be considered magical thinking as it ignores the possibility of a setback or delay in Purdy's recovery, as well as ignores that Shanahan will be making the decision, not Kittle, Lynch, pundits, or fans.

First off, BP as QB1, isn't media driven. It's reality driven if you followed 2022 as we all did. It's also KS and JLs outright statement, that's he's earned it.

Everything I have seen, is QB1, with the if healthy caveat. I would, and have been, going a step further, and saying not only if healthy, but he's got to have enough time being healthy, to work with the ones, and be in game shape. Being able to practice in mid Aug is a tight turnaround for an early Sept week 1. That's about three weeks to cram in an offseason that most other QBs have months to prep for. Trust me, I get the concern. I hear he is trending toward QB1 week 1, based on his timeline. I would say it's a 50/50, which is better than I would have said, a month or two ago.

I hear you. I'm just pushing back against the false narrative that Lance has no chance at starting, that he's buried at QB3 no matter what he does.

We all know that nothing is set in stone, especially when it comes to our QBs' health.

Just because Lance may get another chance to start, it doesn't mean that he won't get injured or play himself out of the job.

But the notion that he's some raw prospect not capable of leading this team is false given that he's been in this system 3 years now and has shown that he can play well on this level.

On your last sentence, I don't think the notion is true or false. It's TBD.

I don't think he's shown he can play well on this level yet. Far from it. This was the Martz critique. He showed Martz that he's light years away from playing well at this level, that was the last full game he played, the one Martz was basing his determination on.

It's TBD but it's not just about Trey.

The team can easily win with Trey out there and this is what blows my mind about all this "Darnold would be QB2 if Brock can't go" stories. It makes no sense, yes Darnold has more experience but not in this offense! He also has more experience playing like trash.

Why is the assumption that he magically comes in and he's the QB who gives us the best chance to win games? Trey has a very small sample size but if the other guys on our team play up to their ability then we should be able to win games. If we're talking about a QB who hurts the team more then Darnold has been the guy so far who hurts his team more than Trey.

Originally posted by genus49:
It's TBD but it's not just about Trey.

The team can easily win with Trey out there and this is what blows my mind about all this "Darnold would be QB2 if Brock can't go" stories. It makes no sense, yes Darnold has more experience but not in this offense! He also has more experience playing like trash.

Why is the assumption that he magically comes in and he's the QB who gives us the best chance to win games? Trey has a very small sample size but if the other guys on our team play up to their ability then we should be able to win games. If we're talking about a QB who hurts the team more then Darnold has been the guy so far who hurts his team more than Trey.

Sorry for jumping in here and this has very little to do with your back and forth but you posted something that I've been thinking about the ast few days.

If Purdy is healthy and is indeed QB1 I can see a path where SD is QB2 based off of style and experience(but more style). We seen Kyle have to change his play calling for Trey. If Kyle still feels he needs to, there is a legit possibility where Trey would be the emergency QB and SD is QB2. Then if something does happen to Brock then the game plan wouldn't have to change.

Obviously, this is just me throwing this out there.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Magical thinking is this when a person believes thoughts, specific words, emotions or rituals can influence the external world, an example is the toxic positivity myth of ''The Secret' which believes in thinking good outcomes into existence.

What you're trying to accuse me of is 'motivated reasoning' which is using bias to construct and evaluate arguments to support a preferred conclusion.

The media driven narrative of Purdy being the week 1 starter can be considered magical thinking as it ignores the possibility of a setback or delay in Purdy's recovery, as well as ignores that Shanahan will be making the decision, not Kittle, Lynch, pundits, or fans.

First off, BP as QB1, isn't media driven. It's reality driven if you followed 2022 as we all did. It's also KS and JLs outright statement, that's he's earned it.

Everything I have seen, is QB1, with the if healthy caveat. I would, and have been, going a step further, and saying not only if healthy, but he's got to have enough time being healthy, to work with the ones, and be in game shape. Being able to practice in mid Aug is a tight turnaround for an early Sept week 1. That's about three weeks to cram in an offseason that most other QBs have months to prep for. Trust me, I get the concern. I hear he is trending toward QB1 week 1, based on his timeline. I would say it's a 50/50, which is better than I would have said, a month or two ago.

I hear you. I'm just pushing back against the false narrative that Lance has no chance at starting, that he's buried at QB3 no matter what he does.

We all know that nothing is set in stone, especially when it comes to our QBs' health.

Just because Lance may get another chance to start, it doesn't mean that he won't get injured or play himself out of the job.

But the notion that he's some raw prospect not capable of leading this team is false given that he's been in this system 3 years now and has shown that he can play well on this level.

On your last sentence, I don't think the notion is true or false. It's TBD.

I don't think he's shown he can play well on this level yet. Far from it. This was the Martz critique. He showed Martz that he's light years away from playing well at this level, that was the last full game he played, the one Martz was basing his determination on.

It's TBD but it's not just about Trey.

The team can easily win with Trey out there and this is what blows my mind about all this "Darnold would be QB2 if Brock can't go" stories. It makes no sense, yes Darnold has more experience but not in this offense! He also has more experience playing like trash.

Why is the assumption that he magically comes in and he's the QB who gives us the best chance to win games? Trey has a very small sample size but if the other guys on our team play up to their ability then we should be able to win games. If we're talking about a QB who hurts the team more then Darnold has been the guy so far who hurts his team more than Trey.

You contradict yourself. You say it's TBD, then next line.. the team can easily win with Trey. That's not what TBD means.

The TOs on Sam are being way overblown. They simply won't happen here to the extent. They are largely a product of chasing the game, have to be cavalier late down multiple scores, and not having the field flooded with weapons that can beat coverage, like we have. Barnwell just graded out our weapons, as #1 in football. When guys win all over the field on routes, TOs disappear. Geno had the same TO issue in NYJ, put him with Lockett, DK, and a HOF coach, a ground game, the TOs magically vanish. I throw on film of Sam, I think he can play, he has some of the traits of Trey with his size and arm, and some of Brock with his improvisation and off platform.

TL is a long ways off to me, but like Schefter and Martz said, maybe he can improve over time. With Sam it's not so much a question of improving, it's just to what extent were the failures a product of being in bad situations.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Magical thinking is this when a person believes thoughts, specific words, emotions or rituals can influence the external world, an example is the toxic positivity myth of ''The Secret' which believes in thinking good outcomes into existence.

What you're trying to accuse me of is 'motivated reasoning' which is using bias to construct and evaluate arguments to support a preferred conclusion.

The media driven narrative of Purdy being the week 1 starter can be considered magical thinking as it ignores the possibility of a setback or delay in Purdy's recovery, as well as ignores that Shanahan will be making the decision, not Kittle, Lynch, pundits, or fans.

First off, BP as QB1, isn't media driven. It's reality driven if you followed 2022 as we all did. It's also KS and JLs outright statement, that's he's earned it.

Everything I have seen, is QB1, with the if healthy caveat. I would, and have been, going a step further, and saying not only if healthy, but he's got to have enough time being healthy, to work with the ones, and be in game shape. Being able to practice in mid Aug is a tight turnaround for an early Sept week 1. That's about three weeks to cram in an offseason that most other QBs have months to prep for. Trust me, I get the concern. I hear he is trending toward QB1 week 1, based on his timeline. I would say it's a 50/50, which is better than I would have said, a month or two ago.

I hear you. I'm just pushing back against the false narrative that Lance has no chance at starting, that he's buried at QB3 no matter what he does.

We all know that nothing is set in stone, especially when it comes to our QBs' health.

Just because Lance may get another chance to start, it doesn't mean that he won't get injured or play himself out of the job.

But the notion that he's some raw prospect not capable of leading this team is false given that he's been in this system 3 years now and has shown that he can play well on this level.

On your last sentence, I don't think the notion is true or false. It's TBD.

I don't think he's shown he can play well on this level yet. Far from it. This was the Martz critique. He showed Martz that he's light years away from playing well at this level, that was the last full game he played, the one Martz was basing his determination on.

Mike Martz ranted about TL on a clip in which he was disheveled and most likely drunk. I don't think he was in a good place to make credible and objective observations about a young QB from afar.

And Lance looked like a starter during the Chicago game. Dif the team win? No, they lost for a number of reasons.

Lance had the interception, missed Deebo on the slant route that would have been a TD, and missed wildly on three screen passes, but he also made elite throws, something that he's done in every game he's played in on the NFL level.

The Niners outgained the Bears 331 yards to 204 yards and converted 8 of 17 third down plays. The game got away from Trey and the team because:

. 12 penalties

. Deebo's red zone fumble

. Talanoa Hufanga's blown coverage on two tds

. offensive line getting manhandled

. a missed block by Juszczyk that led to an early and overthrown pass to Kroft,

. Aiyuk pushing off on a nice 3rd pass from Trey

. torrential rain that prevented the team from rallying late.

Just a bad game all around, but the team rebounded, unfortunately Lance didn't get a chance to because of the injury.

But you can even see the next week that of his three passes thrown against Seattle. Two were precise and one was a throwaway on an incoming blitz.

He'll get his chance again this training camp and preseason, and regular season too if Purdy isn't ready to go week 1.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Magical thinking is this when a person believes thoughts, specific words, emotions or rituals can influence the external world, an example is the toxic positivity myth of ''The Secret' which believes in thinking good outcomes into existence.

What you're trying to accuse me of is 'motivated reasoning' which is using bias to construct and evaluate arguments to support a preferred conclusion.

The media driven narrative of Purdy being the week 1 starter can be considered magical thinking as it ignores the possibility of a setback or delay in Purdy's recovery, as well as ignores that Shanahan will be making the decision, not Kittle, Lynch, pundits, or fans.

First off, BP as QB1, isn't media driven. It's reality driven if you followed 2022 as we all did. It's also KS and JLs outright statement, that's he's earned it.

Everything I have seen, is QB1, with the if healthy caveat. I would, and have been, going a step further, and saying not only if healthy, but he's got to have enough time being healthy, to work with the ones, and be in game shape. Being able to practice in mid Aug is a tight turnaround for an early Sept week 1. That's about three weeks to cram in an offseason that most other QBs have months to prep for. Trust me, I get the concern. I hear he is trending toward QB1 week 1, based on his timeline. I would say it's a 50/50, which is better than I would have said, a month or two ago.

I hear you. I'm just pushing back against the false narrative that Lance has no chance at starting, that he's buried at QB3 no matter what he does.

We all know that nothing is set in stone, especially when it comes to our QBs' health.

Just because Lance may get another chance to start, it doesn't mean that he won't get injured or play himself out of the job.

But the notion that he's some raw prospect not capable of leading this team is false given that he's been in this system 3 years now and has shown that he can play well on this level.

"Magical thinking is this when a person believes thoughts, specific words, emotions or rituals can influence the external world, an example is the toxic positivity myth of ''The Secret' which believes in thinking good outcomes into existence"

Please explain the 'placebo effect'.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Mike Martz ranted about TL on a clip in which he was disheveled and most likely drunk. I don't think he was in a good place to make credible and objective observations about a young QB from afar.

And Lance looked like a starter during the Chicago game. Dif the team win? No, they lost for a number of reasons.

Lance had the interception, missed Deebo on the slant route that would have been a TD, and missed wildly on three screen passes, but he also made elite throws, something that he's done in every game he's played in on the NFL level.

The Niners outgained the Bears 331 yards to 204 yards and converted 8 of 17 third down plays. The game got away from Trey and the team because:

. 12 penalties

. Deebo's red zone fumble

. Talanoa Hufanga's blown coverage on two tds

. offensive line getting manhandled

. a missed block by Juszczyk that led to an early and overthrown pass to Kroft,

. Aiyuk pushing off on a nice 3rd pass from Trey

. torrential rain that prevented the team from rallying late.

Just a bad game all around, but the team rebounded, unfortunately Lance didn't get a chance to because of the injury.

But you can even see the next week that of his three passes thrown against Seattle. Two were precise and one was a throwaway on an incoming blitz.

He'll get his chance again this training camp and preseason, and regular season too if Purdy isn't ready to go week 1.

I mean this is the thing. When you rewatch the Bears game it makes you realise he was playing pretty well at that time. He was having a nightmare throwing those lateral-like screen setups, but that is all. Everything else was either excellent, or within the bounds of acceptability, given that most QB performances include a couple of dud plays.

Team went on to be 3 - 4 and were playing poorly as a whole. Against the Bears the offensive line looked like absolute trash.

Then we got our act together (in fact we didn't lose another game until, you know when). Purdy played for a completely different team than Lance. One which had just won 4 games in a row against serious opponents.

Of course there are massive question marks over Trey, there have to be, but people are writing him off way, way too early imo.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Magical thinking is this when a person believes thoughts, specific words, emotions or rituals can influence the external world, an example is the toxic positivity myth of ''The Secret' which believes in thinking good outcomes into existence.

What you're trying to accuse me of is 'motivated reasoning' which is using bias to construct and evaluate arguments to support a preferred conclusion.

The media driven narrative of Purdy being the week 1 starter can be considered magical thinking as it ignores the possibility of a setback or delay in Purdy's recovery, as well as ignores that Shanahan will be making the decision, not Kittle, Lynch, pundits, or fans.

First off, BP as QB1, isn't media driven. It's reality driven if you followed 2022 as we all did. It's also KS and JLs outright statement, that's he's earned it.

Everything I have seen, is QB1, with the if healthy caveat. I would, and have been, going a step further, and saying not only if healthy, but he's got to have enough time being healthy, to work with the ones, and be in game shape. Being able to practice in mid Aug is a tight turnaround for an early Sept week 1. That's about three weeks to cram in an offseason that most other QBs have months to prep for. Trust me, I get the concern. I hear he is trending toward QB1 week 1, based on his timeline. I would say it's a 50/50, which is better than I would have said, a month or two ago.

I hear you. I'm just pushing back against the false narrative that Lance has no chance at starting, that he's buried at QB3 no matter what he does.

We all know that nothing is set in stone, especially when it comes to our QBs' health.

Just because Lance may get another chance to start, it doesn't mean that he won't get injured or play himself out of the job.

But the notion that he's some raw prospect not capable of leading this team is false given that he's been in this system 3 years now and has shown that he can play well on this level.

On your last sentence, I don't think the notion is true or false. It's TBD.

I don't think he's shown he can play well on this level yet. Far from it. This was the Martz critique. He showed Martz that he's light years away from playing well at this level, that was the last full game he played, the one Martz was basing his determination on.

Mike Martz ranted about TL on a clip in which he was disheveled and most likely drunk. I don't think he was in a good place to make credible and objective observations about a young QB from afar.

And Lance looked like a starter during the Chicago game. Dif the team win? No, they lost for a number of reasons.

Lance had the interception, missed Deebo on the slant route that would have been a TD, and missed wildly on three screen passes, but he also made elite throws, something that he's done in every game he's played in on the NFL level.

The Niners outgained the Bears 331 yards to 204 yards and converted 8 of 17 third down plays. The game got away from Trey and the team because:

. 12 penalties

. Deebo's red zone fumble

. Talanoa Hufanga's blown coverage on two tds

. offensive line getting manhandled

. a missed block by Juszczyk that led to an early and overthrown pass to Kroft,

. Aiyuk pushing off on a nice 3rd pass from Trey

. torrential rain that prevented the team from rallying late.

Just a bad game all around, but the team rebounded, unfortunately Lance didn't get a chance to because of the injury.

But you can even see the next week that of his three passes thrown against Seattle. Two were precise and one was a throwaway on an incoming blitz.

He'll get his chance again this training camp and preseason, and regular season too if Purdy isn't ready to go week 1.

And off the rails we go.. I haven't heard the missed TD was Juice's fault, that's a new one for me

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Magical thinking is this when a person believes thoughts, specific words, emotions or rituals can influence the external world, an example is the toxic positivity myth of ''The Secret' which believes in thinking good outcomes into existence.

What you're trying to accuse me of is 'motivated reasoning' which is using bias to construct and evaluate arguments to support a preferred conclusion.

The media driven narrative of Purdy being the week 1 starter can be considered magical thinking as it ignores the possibility of a setback or delay in Purdy's recovery, as well as ignores that Shanahan will be making the decision, not Kittle, Lynch, pundits, or fans.

First off, BP as QB1, isn't media driven. It's reality driven if you followed 2022 as we all did. It's also KS and JLs outright statement, that's he's earned it.

Everything I have seen, is QB1, with the if healthy caveat. I would, and have been, going a step further, and saying not only if healthy, but he's got to have enough time being healthy, to work with the ones, and be in game shape. Being able to practice in mid Aug is a tight turnaround for an early Sept week 1. That's about three weeks to cram in an offseason that most other QBs have months to prep for. Trust me, I get the concern. I hear he is trending toward QB1 week 1, based on his timeline. I would say it's a 50/50, which is better than I would have said, a month or two ago.

I hear you. I'm just pushing back against the false narrative that Lance has no chance at starting, that he's buried at QB3 no matter what he does.

We all know that nothing is set in stone, especially when it comes to our QBs' health.

Just because Lance may get another chance to start, it doesn't mean that he won't get injured or play himself out of the job.

But the notion that he's some raw prospect not capable of leading this team is false given that he's been in this system 3 years now and has shown that he can play well on this level.

"Magical thinking is this when a person believes thoughts, specific words, emotions or rituals can influence the external world, an example is the toxic positivity myth of ''The Secret' which believes in thinking good outcomes into existence"

Please explain the 'placebo effect'.

Sure, how about I explain the 'observer effect' of the double-slit experiment while I'm at it?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Magical thinking is this when a person believes thoughts, specific words, emotions or rituals can influence the external world, an example is the toxic positivity myth of ''The Secret' which believes in thinking good outcomes into existence.

What you're trying to accuse me of is 'motivated reasoning' which is using bias to construct and evaluate arguments to support a preferred conclusion.

The media driven narrative of Purdy being the week 1 starter can be considered magical thinking as it ignores the possibility of a setback or delay in Purdy's recovery, as well as ignores that Shanahan will be making the decision, not Kittle, Lynch, pundits, or fans.

First off, BP as QB1, isn't media driven. It's reality driven if you followed 2022 as we all did. It's also KS and JLs outright statement, that's he's earned it.

Everything I have seen, is QB1, with the if healthy caveat. I would, and have been, going a step further, and saying not only if healthy, but he's got to have enough time being healthy, to work with the ones, and be in game shape. Being able to practice in mid Aug is a tight turnaround for an early Sept week 1. That's about three weeks to cram in an offseason that most other QBs have months to prep for. Trust me, I get the concern. I hear he is trending toward QB1 week 1, based on his timeline. I would say it's a 50/50, which is better than I would have said, a month or two ago.

I hear you. I'm just pushing back against the false narrative that Lance has no chance at starting, that he's buried at QB3 no matter what he does.

We all know that nothing is set in stone, especially when it comes to our QBs' health.

Just because Lance may get another chance to start, it doesn't mean that he won't get injured or play himself out of the job.

But the notion that he's some raw prospect not capable of leading this team is false given that he's been in this system 3 years now and has shown that he can play well on this level.

On your last sentence, I don't think the notion is true or false. It's TBD.

I don't think he's shown he can play well on this level yet. Far from it. This was the Martz critique. He showed Martz that he's light years away from playing well at this level, that was the last full game he played, the one Martz was basing his determination on.

Mike Martz ranted about TL on a clip in which he was disheveled and most likely drunk. I don't think he was in a good place to make credible and objective observations about a young QB from afar.

And Lance looked like a starter during the Chicago game. Dif the team win? No, they lost for a number of reasons.

Lance had the interception, missed Deebo on the slant route that would have been a TD, and missed wildly on three screen passes, but he also made elite throws, something that he's done in every game he's played in on the NFL level.

The Niners outgained the Bears 331 yards to 204 yards and converted 8 of 17 third down plays. The game got away from Trey and the team because:

. 12 penalties

. Deebo's red zone fumble

. Talanoa Hufanga's blown coverage on two tds

. offensive line getting manhandled

. a missed block by Juszczyk that led to an early and overthrown pass to Kroft,

. Aiyuk pushing off on a nice 3rd pass from Trey

. torrential rain that prevented the team from rallying late.

Just a bad game all around, but the team rebounded, unfortunately Lance didn't get a chance to because of the injury.

But you can even see the next week that of his three passes thrown against Seattle. Two were precise and one was a throwaway on an incoming blitz.

He'll get his chance again this training camp and preseason, and regular season too if Purdy isn't ready to go week 1.

And off the rails we go.. I haven't heard the missed TD was Juice's fault, that's a new one for me

You can check it out for yourself at the 0:24 mark. Juice doesn't block the defender but continues on his route, resulting in Trey throwing early.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eR04MfS-FQA&pp=ygUedHJleSBsYW5jZSBjaGljYWdvIGV2ZXJ5IHRocm93

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Magical thinking is this when a person believes thoughts, specific words, emotions or rituals can influence the external world, an example is the toxic positivity myth of ''The Secret' which believes in thinking good outcomes into existence.

What you're trying to accuse me of is 'motivated reasoning' which is using bias to construct and evaluate arguments to support a preferred conclusion.

The media driven narrative of Purdy being the week 1 starter can be considered magical thinking as it ignores the possibility of a setback or delay in Purdy's recovery, as well as ignores that Shanahan will be making the decision, not Kittle, Lynch, pundits, or fans.

First off, BP as QB1, isn't media driven. It's reality driven if you followed 2022 as we all did. It's also KS and JLs outright statement, that's he's earned it.

Everything I have seen, is QB1, with the if healthy caveat. I would, and have been, going a step further, and saying not only if healthy, but he's got to have enough time being healthy, to work with the ones, and be in game shape. Being able to practice in mid Aug is a tight turnaround for an early Sept week 1. That's about three weeks to cram in an offseason that most other QBs have months to prep for. Trust me, I get the concern. I hear he is trending toward QB1 week 1, based on his timeline. I would say it's a 50/50, which is better than I would have said, a month or two ago.

I hear you. I'm just pushing back against the false narrative that Lance has no chance at starting, that he's buried at QB3 no matter what he does.

We all know that nothing is set in stone, especially when it comes to our QBs' health.

Just because Lance may get another chance to start, it doesn't mean that he won't get injured or play himself out of the job.

But the notion that he's some raw prospect not capable of leading this team is false given that he's been in this system 3 years now and has shown that he can play well on this level.

On your last sentence, I don't think the notion is true or false. It's TBD.

I don't think he's shown he can play well on this level yet. Far from it. This was the Martz critique. He showed Martz that he's light years away from playing well at this level, that was the last full game he played, the one Martz was basing his determination on.

Mike Martz ranted about TL on a clip in which he was disheveled and most likely drunk. I don't think he was in a good place to make credible and objective observations about a young QB from afar.

And Lance looked like a starter during the Chicago game. Dif the team win? No, they lost for a number of reasons.

Lance had the interception, missed Deebo on the slant route that would have been a TD, and missed wildly on three screen passes, but he also made elite throws, something that he's done in every game he's played in on the NFL level.

The Niners outgained the Bears 331 yards to 204 yards and converted 8 of 17 third down plays. The game got away from Trey and the team because:

. 12 penalties

. Deebo's red zone fumble

. Talanoa Hufanga's blown coverage on two tds

. offensive line getting manhandled

. a missed block by Juszczyk that led to an early and overthrown pass to Kroft,

. Aiyuk pushing off on a nice 3rd pass from Trey

. torrential rain that prevented the team from rallying late.

Just a bad game all around, but the team rebounded, unfortunately Lance didn't get a chance to because of the injury.

But you can even see the next week that of his three passes thrown against Seattle. Two were precise and one was a throwaway on an incoming blitz.

He'll get his chance again this training camp and preseason, and regular season too if Purdy isn't ready to go week 1.

And off the rails we go.. I haven't heard the missed TD was Juice's fault, that's a new one for me

You can check it out for yourself at the 0:24 mark. Juice doesn't block the defender but continues on his route, resulting in Trey throwing early.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eR04MfS-FQA&pp=ygUedHJleSBsYW5jZSBjaGljYWdvIGV2ZXJ5IHRocm93

you call this a missed block in one post, and him running a route in another post.. which is it?

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Originally posted by SinceXVI:

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Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Magical thinking is this when a person believes thoughts, specific words, emotions or rituals can influence the external world, an example is the toxic positivity myth of ''The Secret' which believes in thinking good outcomes into existence.

What you're trying to accuse me of is 'motivated reasoning' which is using bias to construct and evaluate arguments to support a preferred conclusion.

The media driven narrative of Purdy being the week 1 starter can be considered magical thinking as it ignores the possibility of a setback or delay in Purdy's recovery, as well as ignores that Shanahan will be making the decision, not Kittle, Lynch, pundits, or fans.

First off, BP as QB1, isn't media driven. It's reality driven if you followed 2022 as we all did. It's also KS and JLs outright statement, that's he's earned it.

Everything I have seen, is QB1, with the if healthy caveat. I would, and have been, going a step further, and saying not only if healthy, but he's got to have enough time being healthy, to work with the ones, and be in game shape. Being able to practice in mid Aug is a tight turnaround for an early Sept week 1. That's about three weeks to cram in an offseason that most other QBs have months to prep for. Trust me, I get the concern. I hear he is trending toward QB1 week 1, based on his timeline. I would say it's a 50/50, which is better than I would have said, a month or two ago.

I hear you. I'm just pushing back against the false narrative that Lance has no chance at starting, that he's buried at QB3 no matter what he does.

We all know that nothing is set in stone, especially when it comes to our QBs' health.

Just because Lance may get another chance to start, it doesn't mean that he won't get injured or play himself out of the job.

But the notion that he's some raw prospect not capable of leading this team is false given that he's been in this system 3 years now and has shown that he can play well on this level.

On your last sentence, I don't think the notion is true or false. It's TBD.

I don't think he's shown he can play well on this level yet. Far from it. This was the Martz critique. He showed Martz that he's light years away from playing well at this level, that was the last full game he played, the one Martz was basing his determination on.

Mike Martz ranted about TL on a clip in which he was disheveled and most likely drunk. I don't think he was in a good place to make credible and objective observations about a young QB from afar.

And Lance looked like a starter during the Chicago game. Dif the team win? No, they lost for a number of reasons.

Lance had the interception, missed Deebo on the slant route that would have been a TD, and missed wildly on three screen passes, but he also made elite throws, something that he's done in every game he's played in on the NFL level.

The Niners outgained the Bears 331 yards to 204 yards and converted 8 of 17 third down plays. The game got away from Trey and the team because:

. 12 penalties

. Deebo's red zone fumble

. Talanoa Hufanga's blown coverage on two tds

. offensive line getting manhandled

. a missed block by Juszczyk that led to an early and overthrown pass to Kroft,

. Aiyuk pushing off on a nice 3rd pass from Trey

. torrential rain that prevented the team from rallying late.

Just a bad game all around, but the team rebounded, unfortunately Lance didn't get a chance to because of the injury.

But you can even see the next week that of his three passes thrown against Seattle. Two were precise and one was a throwaway on an incoming blitz.

He'll get his chance again this training camp and preseason, and regular season too if Purdy isn't ready to go week 1.

And off the rails we go.. I haven't heard the missed TD was Juice's fault, that's a new one for me

You can check it out for yourself at the 0:24 mark. Juice doesn't block the defender but continues on his route, resulting in Trey throwing early.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eR04MfS-FQA&pp=ygUedHJleSBsYW5jZSBjaGljYWdvIGV2ZXJ5IHRocm93

you call this a missed block in one post, and him running a route in another post.. which is it?

Both, it seems like the play design called for him to run a route with the intention of taking a defender with him, but since the defender was already in the backfield he should have blocked.

Just poor execution.

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Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Magical thinking is this when a person believes thoughts, specific words, emotions or rituals can influence the external world, an example is the toxic positivity myth of ''The Secret' which believes in thinking good outcomes into existence.

What you're trying to accuse me of is 'motivated reasoning' which is using bias to construct and evaluate arguments to support a preferred conclusion.

The media driven narrative of Purdy being the week 1 starter can be considered magical thinking as it ignores the possibility of a setback or delay in Purdy's recovery, as well as ignores that Shanahan will be making the decision, not Kittle, Lynch, pundits, or fans.

First off, BP as QB1, isn't media driven. It's reality driven if you followed 2022 as we all did. It's also KS and JLs outright statement, that's he's earned it.

Everything I have seen, is QB1, with the if healthy caveat. I would, and have been, going a step further, and saying not only if healthy, but he's got to have enough time being healthy, to work with the ones, and be in game shape. Being able to practice in mid Aug is a tight turnaround for an early Sept week 1. That's about three weeks to cram in an offseason that most other QBs have months to prep for. Trust me, I get the concern. I hear he is trending toward QB1 week 1, based on his timeline. I would say it's a 50/50, which is better than I would have said, a month or two ago.

I hear you. I'm just pushing back against the false narrative that Lance has no chance at starting, that he's buried at QB3 no matter what he does.

We all know that nothing is set in stone, especially when it comes to our QBs' health.

Just because Lance may get another chance to start, it doesn't mean that he won't get injured or play himself out of the job.

But the notion that he's some raw prospect not capable of leading this team is false given that he's been in this system 3 years now and has shown that he can play well on this level.

On your last sentence, I don't think the notion is true or false. It's TBD.

I don't think he's shown he can play well on this level yet. Far from it. This was the Martz critique. He showed Martz that he's light years away from playing well at this level, that was the last full game he played, the one Martz was basing his determination on.

Mike Martz ranted about TL on a clip in which he was disheveled and most likely drunk. I don't think he was in a good place to make credible and objective observations about a young QB from afar.

And Lance looked like a starter during the Chicago game. Dif the team win? No, they lost for a number of reasons.

Lance had the interception, missed Deebo on the slant route that would have been a TD, and missed wildly on three screen passes, but he also made elite throws, something that he's done in every game he's played in on the NFL level.

The Niners outgained the Bears 331 yards to 204 yards and converted 8 of 17 third down plays. The game got away from Trey and the team because:

. 12 penalties

. Deebo's red zone fumble

. Talanoa Hufanga's blown coverage on two tds

. offensive line getting manhandled

. a missed block by Juszczyk that led to an early and overthrown pass to Kroft,

. Aiyuk pushing off on a nice 3rd pass from Trey

. torrential rain that prevented the team from rallying late.

Just a bad game all around, but the team rebounded, unfortunately Lance didn't get a chance to because of the injury.

But you can even see the next week that of his three passes thrown against Seattle. Two were precise and one was a throwaway on an incoming blitz.

He'll get his chance again this training camp and preseason, and regular season too if Purdy isn't ready to go week 1.

And off the rails we go.. I haven't heard the missed TD was Juice's fault, that's a new one for me

You can check it out for yourself at the 0:24 mark. Juice doesn't block the defender but continues on his route, resulting in Trey throwing early.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eR04MfS-FQA&pp=ygUedHJleSBsYW5jZSBjaGljYWdvIGV2ZXJ5IHRocm93

you call this a missed block in one post, and him running a route in another post.. which is it?

Both, it seems like the play design called for him to run a route with the intention of taking a defender with him, but since the defender was already in the backfield he should have blocked.

Just poor execution.

yeah juice should have known that he is the only guy in between the defender and the QB

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Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Magical thinking is this when a person believes thoughts, specific words, emotions or rituals can influence the external world, an example is the toxic positivity myth of ''The Secret' which believes in thinking good outcomes into existence.

What you're trying to accuse me of is 'motivated reasoning' which is using bias to construct and evaluate arguments to support a preferred conclusion.

The media driven narrative of Purdy being the week 1 starter can be considered magical thinking as it ignores the possibility of a setback or delay in Purdy's recovery, as well as ignores that Shanahan will be making the decision, not Kittle, Lynch, pundits, or fans.

First off, BP as QB1, isn't media driven. It's reality driven if you followed 2022 as we all did. It's also KS and JLs outright statement, that's he's earned it.

Everything I have seen, is QB1, with the if healthy caveat. I would, and have been, going a step further, and saying not only if healthy, but he's got to have enough time being healthy, to work with the ones, and be in game shape. Being able to practice in mid Aug is a tight turnaround for an early Sept week 1. That's about three weeks to cram in an offseason that most other QBs have months to prep for. Trust me, I get the concern. I hear he is trending toward QB1 week 1, based on his timeline. I would say it's a 50/50, which is better than I would have said, a month or two ago.

I hear you. I'm just pushing back against the false narrative that Lance has no chance at starting, that he's buried at QB3 no matter what he does.

We all know that nothing is set in stone, especially when it comes to our QBs' health.

Just because Lance may get another chance to start, it doesn't mean that he won't get injured or play himself out of the job.

But the notion that he's some raw prospect not capable of leading this team is false given that he's been in this system 3 years now and has shown that he can play well on this level.

On your last sentence, I don't think the notion is true or false. It's TBD.

I don't think he's shown he can play well on this level yet. Far from it. This was the Martz critique. He showed Martz that he's light years away from playing well at this level, that was the last full game he played, the one Martz was basing his determination on.

Mike Martz ranted about TL on a clip in which he was disheveled and most likely drunk. I don't think he was in a good place to make credible and objective observations about a young QB from afar.

And Lance looked like a starter during the Chicago game. Dif the team win? No, they lost for a number of reasons.

Lance had the interception, missed Deebo on the slant route that would have been a TD, and missed wildly on three screen passes, but he also made elite throws, something that he's done in every game he's played in on the NFL level.

The Niners outgained the Bears 331 yards to 204 yards and converted 8 of 17 third down plays. The game got away from Trey and the team because:

. 12 penalties

. Deebo's red zone fumble

. Talanoa Hufanga's blown coverage on two tds

. offensive line getting manhandled

. a missed block by Juszczyk that led to an early and overthrown pass to Kroft,

. Aiyuk pushing off on a nice 3rd pass from Trey

. torrential rain that prevented the team from rallying late.

Just a bad game all around, but the team rebounded, unfortunately Lance didn't get a chance to because of the injury.

But you can even see the next week that of his three passes thrown against Seattle. Two were precise and one was a throwaway on an incoming blitz.

He'll get his chance again this training camp and preseason, and regular season too if Purdy isn't ready to go week 1.

And off the rails we go.. I haven't heard the missed TD was Juice's fault, that's a new one for me

You can check it out for yourself at the 0:24 mark. Juice doesn't block the defender but continues on his route, resulting in Trey throwing early.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eR04MfS-FQA&pp=ygUedHJleSBsYW5jZSBjaGljYWdvIGV2ZXJ5IHRocm93

you call this a missed block in one post, and him running a route in another post.. which is it?

Both, it seems like the play design called for him to run a route with the intention of taking a defender with him, but since the defender was already in the backfield he should have blocked.

Just poor execution.

yeah juice should have known that he is the only guy in between the defender and the QB

The TL thread, where it's the best FB and the best LT in the games fault

meanwhile, in the BP thread, we can see BP shaking a defender, and keeping eyes downfield and throwing it accurate vs Tampa
we can see Fields shaking two defenders, he was dead to rights, rolling left, getting the D to flow his way, then throwing back across field, TD Pettis