Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Magical thinking is this when a person believes thoughts, specific words, emotions or rituals can influence the external world, an example is the toxic positivity myth of ''The Secret' which believes in thinking good outcomes into existence.

What you're trying to accuse me of is 'motivated reasoning' which is using bias to construct and evaluate arguments to support a preferred conclusion.

The media driven narrative of Purdy being the week 1 starter can be considered magical thinking as it ignores the possibility of a setback or delay in Purdy's recovery, as well as ignores that Shanahan will be making the decision, not Kittle, Lynch, pundits, or fans.

First off, BP as QB1, isn't media driven. It's reality driven if you followed 2022 as we all did. It's also KS and JLs outright statement, that's he's earned it.

Everything I have seen, is QB1, with the if healthy caveat. I would, and have been, going a step further, and saying not only if healthy, but he's got to have enough time being healthy, to work with the ones, and be in game shape. Being able to practice in mid Aug is a tight turnaround for an early Sept week 1. That's about three weeks to cram in an offseason that most other QBs have months to prep for. Trust me, I get the concern. I hear he is trending toward QB1 week 1, based on his timeline. I would say it's a 50/50, which is better than I would have said, a month or two ago.

I hear you. I'm just pushing back against the false narrative that Lance has no chance at starting, that he's buried at QB3 no matter what he does.

We all know that nothing is set in stone, especially when it comes to our QBs' health.

Just because Lance may get another chance to start, it doesn't mean that he won't get injured or play himself out of the job.

But the notion that he's some raw prospect not capable of leading this team is false given that he's been in this system 3 years now and has shown that he can play well on this level.

On your last sentence, I don't think the notion is true or false. It's TBD.

I don't think he's shown he can play well on this level yet. Far from it. This was the Martz critique. He showed Martz that he's light years away from playing well at this level, that was the last full game he played, the one Martz was basing his determination on.

Mike Martz ranted about TL on a clip in which he was disheveled and most likely drunk. I don't think he was in a good place to make credible and objective observations about a young QB from afar.

And Lance looked like a starter during the Chicago game. Dif the team win? No, they lost for a number of reasons.

Lance had the interception, missed Deebo on the slant route that would have been a TD, and missed wildly on three screen passes, but he also made elite throws, something that he's done in every game he's played in on the NFL level.

The Niners outgained the Bears 331 yards to 204 yards and converted 8 of 17 third down plays. The game got away from Trey and the team because:

. 12 penalties

. Deebo's red zone fumble

. Talanoa Hufanga's blown coverage on two tds

. offensive line getting manhandled

. a missed block by Juszczyk that led to an early and overthrown pass to Kroft,

. Aiyuk pushing off on a nice 3rd pass from Trey

. torrential rain that prevented the team from rallying late.

Just a bad game all around, but the team rebounded, unfortunately Lance didn't get a chance to because of the injury.

But you can even see the next week that of his three passes thrown against Seattle. Two were precise and one was a throwaway on an incoming blitz.

He'll get his chance again this training camp and preseason, and regular season too if Purdy isn't ready to go week 1.

And off the rails we go.. I haven't heard the missed TD was Juice's fault, that's a new one for me

You can check it out for yourself at the 0:24 mark. Juice doesn't block the defender but continues on his route, resulting in Trey throwing early.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eR04MfS-FQA&pp=ygUedHJleSBsYW5jZSBjaGljYWdvIGV2ZXJ5IHRocm93

you call this a missed block in one post, and him running a route in another post.. which is it?

Both, it seems like the play design called for him to run a route with the intention of taking a defender with him, but since the defender was already in the backfield he should have blocked.

Just poor execution.

yeah juice should have known that he is the only guy in between the defender and the QB

The TL thread, where it's the best FB and the best LT in the games fault

meanwhile, in the BP thread, we can see BP shaking a defender, and keeping eyes downfield and throwing it accurate vs Tampa
we can see Fields shaking two defenders, he was dead to rights, rolling left, getting the D to flow his way, then throwing back across field, TD Pettis

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The TL thread, where it's the best FB and the best LT in the games fault

meanwhile, in the BP thread, we can see BP shaking a defender, and keeping eyes downfield and throwing it accurate vs Tampa
we can see Fields shaking two defenders, he was dead to rights, rolling left, getting the D to flow his way, then throwing back across field, TD Pettis

Originally posted by krizay:
The thread that keeps on giving.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
And off the rails we go.. I haven't heard the missed TD was Juice's fault, that's a new one for me

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The TL thread, where it's the best FB and the best LT in the games fault

meanwhile, in the BP thread, we can see BP shaking a defender, and keeping eyes downfield and throwing it accurate vs Tampa
we can see Fields shaking two defenders, he was dead to rights, rolling left, getting the D to flow his way, then throwing back across field, TD Pettis

If only TL was a Jet or Panther then everything could be everyone eles fault and he'd have no responsibility whatsoever.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Magical thinking is this when a person believes thoughts, specific words, emotions or rituals can influence the external world, an example is the toxic positivity myth of ''The Secret' which believes in thinking good outcomes into existence.

What you're trying to accuse me of is 'motivated reasoning' which is using bias to construct and evaluate arguments to support a preferred conclusion.

The media driven narrative of Purdy being the week 1 starter can be considered magical thinking as it ignores the possibility of a setback or delay in Purdy's recovery, as well as ignores that Shanahan will be making the decision, not Kittle, Lynch, pundits, or fans.

First off, BP as QB1, isn't media driven. It's reality driven if you followed 2022 as we all did. It's also KS and JLs outright statement, that's he's earned it.

Everything I have seen, is QB1, with the if healthy caveat. I would, and have been, going a step further, and saying not only if healthy, but he's got to have enough time being healthy, to work with the ones, and be in game shape. Being able to practice in mid Aug is a tight turnaround for an early Sept week 1. That's about three weeks to cram in an offseason that most other QBs have months to prep for. Trust me, I get the concern. I hear he is trending toward QB1 week 1, based on his timeline. I would say it's a 50/50, which is better than I would have said, a month or two ago.

I hear you. I'm just pushing back against the false narrative that Lance has no chance at starting, that he's buried at QB3 no matter what he does.

We all know that nothing is set in stone, especially when it comes to our QBs' health.

Just because Lance may get another chance to start, it doesn't mean that he won't get injured or play himself out of the job.

But the notion that he's some raw prospect not capable of leading this team is false given that he's been in this system 3 years now and has shown that he can play well on this level.

On your last sentence, I don't think the notion is true or false. It's TBD.

I don't think he's shown he can play well on this level yet. Far from it. This was the Martz critique. He showed Martz that he's light years away from playing well at this level, that was the last full game he played, the one Martz was basing his determination on.

Mike Martz ranted about TL on a clip in which he was disheveled and most likely drunk. I don't think he was in a good place to make credible and objective observations about a young QB from afar.

And Lance looked like a starter during the Chicago game. Dif the team win? No, they lost for a number of reasons.

Lance had the interception, missed Deebo on the slant route that would have been a TD, and missed wildly on three screen passes, but he also made elite throws, something that he's done in every game he's played in on the NFL level.

The Niners outgained the Bears 331 yards to 204 yards and converted 8 of 17 third down plays. The game got away from Trey and the team because:

. 12 penalties

. Deebo's red zone fumble

. Talanoa Hufanga's blown coverage on two tds

. offensive line getting manhandled

. a missed block by Juszczyk that led to an early and overthrown pass to Kroft,

. Aiyuk pushing off on a nice 3rd pass from Trey

. torrential rain that prevented the team from rallying late.

Just a bad game all around, but the team rebounded, unfortunately Lance didn't get a chance to because of the injury.

But you can even see the next week that of his three passes thrown against Seattle. Two were precise and one was a throwaway on an incoming blitz.

He'll get his chance again this training camp and preseason, and regular season too if Purdy isn't ready to go week 1.

And off the rails we go.. I haven't heard the missed TD was Juice's fault, that's a new one for me

You can check it out for yourself at the 0:24 mark. Juice doesn't block the defender but continues on his route, resulting in Trey throwing early.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eR04MfS-FQA&pp=ygUedHJleSBsYW5jZSBjaGljYWdvIGV2ZXJ5IHRocm93

you call this a missed block in one post, and him running a route in another post.. which is it?

Both, it seems like the play design called for him to run a route with the intention of taking a defender with him, but since the defender was already in the backfield he should have blocked.

Just poor execution.

yeah juice should have known that he is the only guy in between the defender and the QB

The TL thread, where it's the best FB and the best LT in the games fault

meanwhile, in the BP thread, we can see BP shaking a defender, and keeping eyes downfield and throwing it accurate vs Tampa
we can see Fields shaking two defenders, he was dead to rights, rolling left, getting the D to flow his way, then throwing back across field, TD Pettis

BP didn't shake philly

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The TL thread, where it's the best FB and the best LT in the games fault

meanwhile, in the BP thread, we can see BP shaking a defender, and keeping eyes downfield and throwing it accurate vs Tampa
we can see Fields shaking two defenders, he was dead to rights, rolling left, getting the D to flow his way, then throwing back across field, TD Pettis

If only TL was a Jet or Panther then everything could be everyone eles fault and he'd have no responsibility whatsoever.

if only TL looked like JG you mean lol

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Magical thinking is this when a person believes thoughts, specific words, emotions or rituals can influence the external world, an example is the toxic positivity myth of ''The Secret' which believes in thinking good outcomes into existence.

What you're trying to accuse me of is 'motivated reasoning' which is using bias to construct and evaluate arguments to support a preferred conclusion.

The media driven narrative of Purdy being the week 1 starter can be considered magical thinking as it ignores the possibility of a setback or delay in Purdy's recovery, as well as ignores that Shanahan will be making the decision, not Kittle, Lynch, pundits, or fans.

First off, BP as QB1, isn't media driven. It's reality driven if you followed 2022 as we all did. It's also KS and JLs outright statement, that's he's earned it.

Everything I have seen, is QB1, with the if healthy caveat. I would, and have been, going a step further, and saying not only if healthy, but he's got to have enough time being healthy, to work with the ones, and be in game shape. Being able to practice in mid Aug is a tight turnaround for an early Sept week 1. That's about three weeks to cram in an offseason that most other QBs have months to prep for. Trust me, I get the concern. I hear he is trending toward QB1 week 1, based on his timeline. I would say it's a 50/50, which is better than I would have said, a month or two ago.

I hear you. I'm just pushing back against the false narrative that Lance has no chance at starting, that he's buried at QB3 no matter what he does.

We all know that nothing is set in stone, especially when it comes to our QBs' health.

Just because Lance may get another chance to start, it doesn't mean that he won't get injured or play himself out of the job.

But the notion that he's some raw prospect not capable of leading this team is false given that he's been in this system 3 years now and has shown that he can play well on this level.

On your last sentence, I don't think the notion is true or false. It's TBD.

I don't think he's shown he can play well on this level yet. Far from it. This was the Martz critique. He showed Martz that he's light years away from playing well at this level, that was the last full game he played, the one Martz was basing his determination on.

Mike Martz ranted about TL on a clip in which he was disheveled and most likely drunk. I don't think he was in a good place to make credible and objective observations about a young QB from afar.

And Lance looked like a starter during the Chicago game. Dif the team win? No, they lost for a number of reasons.

Lance had the interception, missed Deebo on the slant route that would have been a TD, and missed wildly on three screen passes, but he also made elite throws, something that he's done in every game he's played in on the NFL level.

The Niners outgained the Bears 331 yards to 204 yards and converted 8 of 17 third down plays. The game got away from Trey and the team because:

. 12 penalties

. Deebo's red zone fumble

. Talanoa Hufanga's blown coverage on two tds

. offensive line getting manhandled

. a missed block by Juszczyk that led to an early and overthrown pass to Kroft,

. Aiyuk pushing off on a nice 3rd pass from Trey

. torrential rain that prevented the team from rallying late.

Just a bad game all around, but the team rebounded, unfortunately Lance didn't get a chance to because of the injury.

But you can even see the next week that of his three passes thrown against Seattle. Two were precise and one was a throwaway on an incoming blitz.

He'll get his chance again this training camp and preseason, and regular season too if Purdy isn't ready to go week 1.

And off the rails we go.. I haven't heard the missed TD was Juice's fault, that's a new one for me

You can check it out for yourself at the 0:24 mark. Juice doesn't block the defender but continues on his route, resulting in Trey throwing early.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eR04MfS-FQA&pp=ygUedHJleSBsYW5jZSBjaGljYWdvIGV2ZXJ5IHRocm93

you call this a missed block in one post, and him running a route in another post.. which is it?

Both, it seems like the play design called for him to run a route with the intention of taking a defender with him, but since the defender was already in the backfield he should have blocked.

Just poor execution.

yeah juice should have known that he is the only guy in between the defender and the QB

The TL thread, where it's the best FB and the best LT in the games fault

meanwhile, in the BP thread, we can see BP shaking a defender, and keeping eyes downfield and throwing it accurate vs Tampa
we can see Fields shaking two defenders, he was dead to rights, rolling left, getting the D to flow his way, then throwing back across field, TD Pettis

BP didn't shake philly

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Lol Trey fans are sad. Feel sorry for you guys

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Sure if he wants to win at a 2-1 clip, take us to NFC Champ games and the Super Bowl, I'll take it. First he's got to get on that level, and be a functional NFL QB

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Magical thinking is this when a person believes thoughts, specific words, emotions or rituals can influence the external world, an example is the toxic positivity myth of ''The Secret' which believes in thinking good outcomes into existence.

What you're trying to accuse me of is 'motivated reasoning' which is using bias to construct and evaluate arguments to support a preferred conclusion.

The media driven narrative of Purdy being the week 1 starter can be considered magical thinking as it ignores the possibility of a setback or delay in Purdy's recovery, as well as ignores that Shanahan will be making the decision, not Kittle, Lynch, pundits, or fans.

First off, BP as QB1, isn't media driven. It's reality driven if you followed 2022 as we all did. It's also KS and JLs outright statement, that's he's earned it.

Everything I have seen, is QB1, with the if healthy caveat. I would, and have been, going a step further, and saying not only if healthy, but he's got to have enough time being healthy, to work with the ones, and be in game shape. Being able to practice in mid Aug is a tight turnaround for an early Sept week 1. That's about three weeks to cram in an offseason that most other QBs have months to prep for. Trust me, I get the concern. I hear he is trending toward QB1 week 1, based on his timeline. I would say it's a 50/50, which is better than I would have said, a month or two ago.

I hear you. I'm just pushing back against the false narrative that Lance has no chance at starting, that he's buried at QB3 no matter what he does.

We all know that nothing is set in stone, especially when it comes to our QBs' health.

Just because Lance may get another chance to start, it doesn't mean that he won't get injured or play himself out of the job.

But the notion that he's some raw prospect not capable of leading this team is false given that he's been in this system 3 years now and has shown that he can play well on this level.

On your last sentence, I don't think the notion is true or false. It's TBD.

I don't think he's shown he can play well on this level yet. Far from it. This was the Martz critique. He showed Martz that he's light years away from playing well at this level, that was the last full game he played, the one Martz was basing his determination on.

Mike Martz ranted about TL on a clip in which he was disheveled and most likely drunk. I don't think he was in a good place to make credible and objective observations about a young QB from afar.

And Lance looked like a starter during the Chicago game. Dif the team win? No, they lost for a number of reasons.

Lance had the interception, missed Deebo on the slant route that would have been a TD, and missed wildly on three screen passes, but he also made elite throws, something that he's done in every game he's played in on the NFL level.

The Niners outgained the Bears 331 yards to 204 yards and converted 8 of 17 third down plays. The game got away from Trey and the team because:

. 12 penalties

. Deebo's red zone fumble

. Talanoa Hufanga's blown coverage on two tds

. offensive line getting manhandled

. a missed block by Juszczyk that led to an early and overthrown pass to Kroft,

. Aiyuk pushing off on a nice 3rd pass from Trey

. torrential rain that prevented the team from rallying late.

Just a bad game all around, but the team rebounded, unfortunately Lance didn't get a chance to because of the injury.

But you can even see the next week that of his three passes thrown against Seattle. Two were precise and one was a throwaway on an incoming blitz.

He'll get his chance again this training camp and preseason, and regular season too if Purdy isn't ready to go week 1.

And off the rails we go.. I haven't heard the missed TD was Juice's fault, that's a new one for me

You can check it out for yourself at the 0:24 mark. Juice doesn't block the defender but continues on his route, resulting in Trey throwing early.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eR04MfS-FQA&pp=ygUedHJleSBsYW5jZSBjaGljYWdvIGV2ZXJ5IHRocm93

you call this a missed block in one post, and him running a route in another post.. which is it?

Both, it seems like the play design called for him to run a route with the intention of taking a defender with him, but since the defender was already in the backfield he should have blocked.

Just poor execution.

yeah juice should have known that he is the only guy in between the defender and the QB

The TL thread, where it's the best FB and the best LT in the games fault

meanwhile, in the BP thread, we can see BP shaking a defender, and keeping eyes downfield and throwing it accurate vs Tampa
we can see Fields shaking two defenders, he was dead to rights, rolling left, getting the D to flow his way, then throwing back across field, TD Pettis

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Lol Trey fans are sad. Feel sorry for you guys

Let them cope lol

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Lol Trey fans are sad. Feel sorry for you guys

Let them cope lol

You're right, their boy got his ankle snapped and he was actually running trying to shake guys. They deserve some cope

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I think this about sums it up

The actual evidence paints a rather simple picture:

1. 49ers loved the upside/moldable clay of Trey Lance

2. They knew it'd be a long developmental process throughout

3. 2022 was to be the key year in this process, but Lance injury happened

4. Brock Purdy stole the show

5.…

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) June 27, 2023