Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Alfienator:
Best scenario is we have Joe Young and Steve Montana situation.

Giovanni Druckenmiller would be an interesting name, imagine combining the skills of those two

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Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Magical thinking is this when a person believes thoughts, specific words, emotions or rituals can influence the external world, an example is the toxic positivity myth of ''The Secret' which believes in thinking good outcomes into existence.

What you're trying to accuse me of is 'motivated reasoning' which is using bias to construct and evaluate arguments to support a preferred conclusion.

The media driven narrative of Purdy being the week 1 starter can be considered magical thinking as it ignores the possibility of a setback or delay in Purdy's recovery, as well as ignores that Shanahan will be making the decision, not Kittle, Lynch, pundits, or fans.

First off, BP as QB1, isn't media driven. It's reality driven if you followed 2022 as we all did. It's also KS and JLs outright statement, that's he's earned it.

Everything I have seen, is QB1, with the if healthy caveat. I would, and have been, going a step further, and saying not only if healthy, but he's got to have enough time being healthy, to work with the ones, and be in game shape. Being able to practice in mid Aug is a tight turnaround for an early Sept week 1. That's about three weeks to cram in an offseason that most other QBs have months to prep for. Trust me, I get the concern. I hear he is trending toward QB1 week 1, based on his timeline. I would say it's a 50/50, which is better than I would have said, a month or two ago.

I hear you. I'm just pushing back against the false narrative that Lance has no chance at starting, that he's buried at QB3 no matter what he does.

We all know that nothing is set in stone, especially when it comes to our QBs' health.

Just because Lance may get another chance to start, it doesn't mean that he won't get injured or play himself out of the job.

But the notion that he's some raw prospect not capable of leading this team is false given that he's been in this system 3 years now and has shown that he can play well on this level.

On your last sentence, I don't think the notion is true or false. It's TBD.

I don't think he's shown he can play well on this level yet. Far from it. This was the Martz critique. He showed Martz that he's light years away from playing well at this level, that was the last full game he played, the one Martz was basing his determination on.

Mike Martz ranted about TL on a clip in which he was disheveled and most likely drunk. I don't think he was in a good place to make credible and objective observations about a young QB from afar.

And Lance looked like a starter during the Chicago game. Dif the team win? No, they lost for a number of reasons.

Lance had the interception, missed Deebo on the slant route that would have been a TD, and missed wildly on three screen passes, but he also made elite throws, something that he's done in every game he's played in on the NFL level.

The Niners outgained the Bears 331 yards to 204 yards and converted 8 of 17 third down plays. The game got away from Trey and the team because:

. 12 penalties

. Deebo's red zone fumble

. Talanoa Hufanga's blown coverage on two tds

. offensive line getting manhandled

. a missed block by Juszczyk that led to an early and overthrown pass to Kroft,

. Aiyuk pushing off on a nice 3rd pass from Trey

. torrential rain that prevented the team from rallying late.

Just a bad game all around, but the team rebounded, unfortunately Lance didn't get a chance to because of the injury.

But you can even see the next week that of his three passes thrown against Seattle. Two were precise and one was a throwaway on an incoming blitz.

He'll get his chance again this training camp and preseason, and regular season too if Purdy isn't ready to go week 1.

And off the rails we go.. I haven't heard the missed TD was Juice's fault, that's a new one for me

You can check it out for yourself at the 0:24 mark. Juice doesn't block the defender but continues on his route, resulting in Trey throwing early.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eR04MfS-FQA&pp=ygUedHJleSBsYW5jZSBjaGljYWdvIGV2ZXJ5IHRocm93

you call this a missed block in one post, and him running a route in another post.. which is it?

Both, it seems like the play design called for him to run a route with the intention of taking a defender with him, but since the defender was already in the backfield he should have blocked.

Just poor execution.

yeah juice should have known that he is the only guy in between the defender and the QB

The TL thread, where it's the best FB and the best LT in the games fault

meanwhile, in the BP thread, we can see BP shaking a defender, and keeping eyes downfield and throwing it accurate vs Tampa
we can see Fields shaking two defenders, he was dead to rights, rolling left, getting the D to flow his way, then throwing back across field, TD Pettis

BP didn't shake philly

Lol Trey fans are sad. Feel sorry for you guys

I'm a 49ers fan, not a Trey fan. I'm excited for what he, *might* bring to this team.
I feel sorry for those stuck in a Team Brock / Team Trey fantasy octogon.

I don't care about Trey just like I didn't care about Brock before he did anything. It's his fans.

I know you guys don't go off the hinges here because posters will remember and call you out, but dive into the large sm platforms and you got Trey fans losing their minds saying things like they're done with this organization because they are mean to Trey lol

I never chose a side, I just understand the situation. Only one guy can play, and Brock is clearly the guy for the job. With Trey in year 3 and losing his spot (and not being the clear guy over Darnold this offseason), he is done here. Doesn't mean I've chose sides or hate Trey, it's just the reality of the situation. It's Trey fans that can't accept reality that have ruined this offseason. Trey fans are currently the worst fans in all of sports imo

Typical Trey fan. Stop crying

Go back to the Alex Smith thread already.

The perfect QB to help fix Trey...

I've said this before and I think it still.stands.

People like the possibility of Trey could be. I like the possibility of what Trey.could be. But the the fact is up to this point it is all he is. A possibility. Posters are acting like he is great simply because of where he was drafted and his athleticism. The problem is that there have been a lot of guys who haven't made it with his skill set. He's got to put it together this year or he will be labeled a bust. There's no denying it.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I've said this before and I think it still.stands.

People like the possibility of Trey could be. I like the possibility of what Trey.could be. But the the fact is up to this point it is all he is. A possibility. Posters are acting like he is great simply because of where he was drafted and his athleticism. The problem is that there have been a lot of guys who haven't made it with his skill set. He's got to put it together this year or he will be labeled a bust. There's no denying it.

Whos saying he's great?

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Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

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Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Magical thinking is this when a person believes thoughts, specific words, emotions or rituals can influence the external world, an example is the toxic positivity myth of ''The Secret' which believes in thinking good outcomes into existence.

What you're trying to accuse me of is 'motivated reasoning' which is using bias to construct and evaluate arguments to support a preferred conclusion.

The media driven narrative of Purdy being the week 1 starter can be considered magical thinking as it ignores the possibility of a setback or delay in Purdy's recovery, as well as ignores that Shanahan will be making the decision, not Kittle, Lynch, pundits, or fans.

First off, BP as QB1, isn't media driven. It's reality driven if you followed 2022 as we all did. It's also KS and JLs outright statement, that's he's earned it.

Everything I have seen, is QB1, with the if healthy caveat. I would, and have been, going a step further, and saying not only if healthy, but he's got to have enough time being healthy, to work with the ones, and be in game shape. Being able to practice in mid Aug is a tight turnaround for an early Sept week 1. That's about three weeks to cram in an offseason that most other QBs have months to prep for. Trust me, I get the concern. I hear he is trending toward QB1 week 1, based on his timeline. I would say it's a 50/50, which is better than I would have said, a month or two ago.

I hear you. I'm just pushing back against the false narrative that Lance has no chance at starting, that he's buried at QB3 no matter what he does.

We all know that nothing is set in stone, especially when it comes to our QBs' health.

Just because Lance may get another chance to start, it doesn't mean that he won't get injured or play himself out of the job.

But the notion that he's some raw prospect not capable of leading this team is false given that he's been in this system 3 years now and has shown that he can play well on this level.

On your last sentence, I don't think the notion is true or false. It's TBD.

I don't think he's shown he can play well on this level yet. Far from it. This was the Martz critique. He showed Martz that he's light years away from playing well at this level, that was the last full game he played, the one Martz was basing his determination on.

Mike Martz ranted about TL on a clip in which he was disheveled and most likely drunk. I don't think he was in a good place to make credible and objective observations about a young QB from afar.

And Lance looked like a starter during the Chicago game. Dif the team win? No, they lost for a number of reasons.

Lance had the interception, missed Deebo on the slant route that would have been a TD, and missed wildly on three screen passes, but he also made elite throws, something that he's done in every game he's played in on the NFL level.

The Niners outgained the Bears 331 yards to 204 yards and converted 8 of 17 third down plays. The game got away from Trey and the team because:

. 12 penalties

. Deebo's red zone fumble

. Talanoa Hufanga's blown coverage on two tds

. offensive line getting manhandled

. a missed block by Juszczyk that led to an early and overthrown pass to Kroft,

. Aiyuk pushing off on a nice 3rd pass from Trey

. torrential rain that prevented the team from rallying late.

Just a bad game all around, but the team rebounded, unfortunately Lance didn't get a chance to because of the injury.

But you can even see the next week that of his three passes thrown against Seattle. Two were precise and one was a throwaway on an incoming blitz.

He'll get his chance again this training camp and preseason, and regular season too if Purdy isn't ready to go week 1.

And off the rails we go.. I haven't heard the missed TD was Juice's fault, that's a new one for me

You can check it out for yourself at the 0:24 mark. Juice doesn't block the defender but continues on his route, resulting in Trey throwing early.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eR04MfS-FQA&pp=ygUedHJleSBsYW5jZSBjaGljYWdvIGV2ZXJ5IHRocm93

you call this a missed block in one post, and him running a route in another post.. which is it?

Both, it seems like the play design called for him to run a route with the intention of taking a defender with him, but since the defender was already in the backfield he should have blocked.

Just poor execution.

yeah juice should have known that he is the only guy in between the defender and the QB

The TL thread, where it's the best FB and the best LT in the games fault

meanwhile, in the BP thread, we can see BP shaking a defender, and keeping eyes downfield and throwing it accurate vs Tampa
we can see Fields shaking two defenders, he was dead to rights, rolling left, getting the D to flow his way, then throwing back across field, TD Pettis

BP didn't shake philly

Lol Trey fans are sad. Feel sorry for you guys

I'm a 49ers fan, not a Trey fan. I'm excited for what he, *might* bring to this team.
I feel sorry for those stuck in a Team Brock / Team Trey fantasy octogon.

I don't care about Trey just like I didn't care about Brock before he did anything. It's his fans.

I know you guys don't go off the hinges here because posters will remember and call you out, but dive into the large sm platforms and you got Trey fans losing their minds saying things like they're done with this organization because they are mean to Trey lol

I never chose a side, I just understand the situation. Only one guy can play, and Brock is clearly the guy for the job. With Trey in year 3 and losing his spot (and not being the clear guy over Darnold this offseason), he is done here. Doesn't mean I've chose sides or hate Trey, it's just the reality of the situation. It's Trey fans that can't accept reality that have ruined this offseason. Trey fans are currently the worst fans in all of sports imo

Typical Trey fan. Stop crying

Go back to the Alex Smith thread already.

He's a Smither ?

that explains all the bad takes and side choosing

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
He's a Smither ?

that explains all the bad takes and side choosing

Trey may have an Alex like trajectory. It took Alex a handful of years to be a good QB. Different circumstances of course. He was battling injuries and the annual OC change. Alex went to a talent poor team and started young, like Darnold.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
He's a Smither ?

that explains all the bad takes and side choosing

Trey may have an Alex like trajectory. It took Alex a handful of years to be a good QB. Different circumstances of course. He was battling injuries and the annual OC change. Alex went to a talent poor team and started young, like Darnold.

Prime Alex smith never lived up to #1 overall pick and if lances prime is the same as smiths, he will be a bust in comparison to his 3rd overall pick (and 3 first rounders used).

very different situations though, those 49ers teams were disgustingly bad. These 49ers are the complete opposite.

but overall, yes - it makes sense to believe Lance will get better. Lol i think the question is just "how much better?". I'm sure it'll be a lot better than he is now but I don't know if that'll be enough for his draft slot and compensation to be justified.

I think the big concern for Trey is

1. Missing what I felt was the most crucial year in his development
2. Being drafted on a built to win team that doesn't have time to sit through a year of growing pains (that part is on SF for miscalculating)

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
I think the big concern for Trey is

1. Missing what I felt was the most crucial year in his development
2. Being drafted on a built to win team that doesn't have time to sit through a year of growing pains (that part is on SF for miscalculating)

Yup. Are you referring to 2020 or 2022?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
I think the big concern for Trey is

1. Missing what I felt was the most crucial year in his development
2. Being drafted on a built to win team that doesn't have time to sit through a year of growing pains (that part is on SF for miscalculating)

Yup. Are you referring to 2020 or 2022?

Great point. Your heart goes out to the young man because timing just has not been on his side at all, collegiately or professionally.

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
I think the big concern for Trey is

1. Missing what I felt was the most crucial year in his development
2. Being drafted on a built to win team that doesn't have time to sit through a year of growing pains (that part is on SF for miscalculating)

Yup. Are you referring to 2020 or 2022?

Great point. Your heart goes out to the young man because timing just has not been on his side at all, collegiately or professionally.

At least he has $34m banked at the conclusion of this deal, and if he gets his stuff together, he can be a $100m man. Geno and Danny Jones, are $100m contracts. So you don't have to do a ton, just need to be a solid to good starter, and he has a year or two to put it together. Hopefully there is some motivation here for ol TL. Darnold I'm sure has this motivation also in a contract year. He can earn himself millions if he gets in games and plays good football.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Yup. Are you referring to 2020 or 2022?

He easily could have transferred in 2020. Like Jamie Newman, Felipe Franks, D'erik King, KJ Costello etc... Instead he opted for his "showcase" game. Which did kind of showcase what we've witnessed thus far.

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Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
Magical thinking is this when a person believes thoughts, specific words, emotions or rituals can influence the external world, an example is the toxic positivity myth of ''The Secret' which believes in thinking good outcomes into existence.

What you're trying to accuse me of is 'motivated reasoning' which is using bias to construct and evaluate arguments to support a preferred conclusion.

The media driven narrative of Purdy being the week 1 starter can be considered magical thinking as it ignores the possibility of a setback or delay in Purdy's recovery, as well as ignores that Shanahan will be making the decision, not Kittle, Lynch, pundits, or fans.

First off, BP as QB1, isn't media driven. It's reality driven if you followed 2022 as we all did. It's also KS and JLs outright statement, that's he's earned it.

Everything I have seen, is QB1, with the if healthy caveat. I would, and have been, going a step further, and saying not only if healthy, but he's got to have enough time being healthy, to work with the ones, and be in game shape. Being able to practice in mid Aug is a tight turnaround for an early Sept week 1. That's about three weeks to cram in an offseason that most other QBs have months to prep for. Trust me, I get the concern. I hear he is trending toward QB1 week 1, based on his timeline. I would say it's a 50/50, which is better than I would have said, a month or two ago.

I hear you. I'm just pushing back against the false narrative that Lance has no chance at starting, that he's buried at QB3 no matter what he does.

We all know that nothing is set in stone, especially when it comes to our QBs' health.

Just because Lance may get another chance to start, it doesn't mean that he won't get injured or play himself out of the job.

But the notion that he's some raw prospect not capable of leading this team is false given that he's been in this system 3 years now and has shown that he can play well on this level.

"Magical thinking is this when a person believes thoughts, specific words, emotions or rituals can influence the external world, an example is the toxic positivity myth of ''The Secret' which believes in thinking good outcomes into existence"

Please explain the 'placebo effect'.

Sure, how about I explain the 'observer effect' of the double-slit experiment while I'm at it?

Bro, you 're the one that posted the quote in question. I mentioned the placebo effect because it is in direct opposition to what you posted. Try to stay on topic.

Originally posted by NinerPrideinNJ:
I think the big concern for Trey is

1. Missing what I felt was the most crucial year in his development
2. Being drafted on a built to win team that doesn't have time to sit through a year of growing pains (that part is on SF for miscalculating)

He should have been the starter half way through the 2021 season. To me, that is where SF made a mistake.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
He should have been the starter half way through the 2021 season. To me, that is where SF made a mistake.

Did you think he was a better player than Jimmy G or did you think it was worthwhile to sacrifice the season for his development?