Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by tankle104:
Right, hindsight is always 2020. I still think starting Lance wasn't the right decision. He was still injured, so it isn't like you could expect much from him. He also isn't better than jimmy.

i think it's funny how Lance gets a pass because he's been injured his entire career but no one gives jimmy slack for playing through a separated throwing shoulder and torn ligament in thumb (throwing hand) in those playoffs. I actually thought he played well considering how injured he was - our o line was getting dominated that game.

Injuries definitely play a factor in performance but jimmy was tough and played well through a lot of tough injuries.

You trade everything you have to get your guy you should be starting him. Trying to copy the Mahomes approach with him was a mistake considering he had limited experience and he only played one game prior to getting drafted. And he won against HOU despite still being injured. The man just isn't been developed right and starting the guy who wasn't in their long termed plans over him has come back to bite them since they're in the same position as when they first drafted him.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I don't care about Trey just like I didn't care about Brock before he did anything. It's his fans.

I know you guys don't go off the hinges here because posters will remember and call you out, but dive into the large sm platforms and you got Trey fans losing their minds saying things like they're done with this organization because they are mean to Trey lol

I never chose a side, I just understand the situation. Only one guy can play, and Brock is clearly the guy for the job. With Trey in year 3 and losing his spot (and not being the clear guy over Darnold this offseason), he is done here. Doesn't mean I've chose sides or hate Trey, it's just the reality of the situation. It's Trey fans that can't accept reality that have ruined this offseason. Trey fans are currently the worst fans in all of sports imo

Haha if anyone cares about Trey here, it's certainly you. You're here in his thread day in, day out.

Originally posted by eric_anthony:
You trade everything you have to get your guy you should be starting him. Trying to copy the Mahomes approach with him was a mistake considering he had limited experience and he only played one game prior to getting drafted. And he won against HOU despite still being injured. The man just isn't been developed right and starting the guy who wasn't in their long termed plans over him has come back to bite them since they're in the same position as when they first drafted him.

As I've said many times, from Trey's perspective as an individual player there's no arguing this. The idea that he becomes priority number 1 because of what was invested in him is where there's an argument. There are more angles than what's good for Trey or what could theoretically be good for our team long term.

If we continue on this trajectory and Trey ends up moving on without getting significant regular season playing time there's clearly going to be two camps on what went wrong: people who believe he wasn't properly developed, and people who believe he should have never been drafted in the first place.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Right, hindsight is always 2020.

2023's making a strong push.

F the offseason

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Right, hindsight is always 2020. I still think starting Lance wasn't the right decision. He was still injured, so it isn't like you could expect much from him. He also isn't better than jimmy.

i think it's funny how Lance gets a pass because he's been injured his entire career but no one gives jimmy slack for playing through a separated throwing shoulder and torn ligament in thumb (throwing hand) in those playoffs. I actually thought he played well considering how injured he was - our o line was getting dominated that game.

Injuries definitely play a factor in performance but jimmy was tough and played well through a lot of tough injuries.

You trade everything you have to get your guy you should be starting him. Trying to copy the Mahomes approach with him was a mistake considering he had limited experience and he only played one game prior to getting drafted. And he won against HOU despite still being injured. The man just isn't been developed right and starting the guy who wasn't in their long termed plans over him has come back to bite them since they're in the same position as when they first drafted him.

How could you have played him when he was injured in the preseason? Apparently be wasn't right all year. Then he gets injured again in week 2 the following season. You can blame Shanahan for failing to develop him if the guy is injured .

Whether he wasn't developed right or whether he just was never going to be good, the fact still remains that huge mistake drafting a PROJECT with a ready to win now roster. Thisnwas shanahans error. Usually you build your team around a franchise qb, not the other way around. Shanahan wanted to build this team, and was waiting on kirk frigging cousins. Because of that we have a ready now roster and a huge question mark at qb after 7 years.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
As I've said many times, from Trey's perspective as an individual player there's no arguing this. The idea that he becomes priority number 1 because of what was invested in him is where there's an argument. There are more angles than what's good for Trey or what could theoretically be good for our team long term.

If we continue on this trajectory and Trey ends up moving on without getting significant regular season playing time there's clearly going to be two camps on what went wrong: people who believe he wasn't properly developed, and people who believe he should have never been drafted in the first place.

It was never a good draft pick. Take away the trade... aiight I get it. Throw in the trade and it's

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
How could you have played him when he was injured in the preseason? Apparently be wasn't right all year. Then he gets injured again in week 2 the following season. You can blame Shanahan for failing to develop him if the guy is injured .

Whether he wasn't developed right or whether he just was never going to be good, the fact still remains that huge mistake drafting a PROJECT with a ready to win now roster. Thisnwas shanahans error. Usually you build your team around a franchise qb, not the other way around. Shanahan wanted to build this team, and was waiting on kirk frigging cousins. Because of that we have a ready now roster and a huge question mark at qb after 7 years.

He had no problem throwing in Trey packages with a broken finger. The first TD pass of the season was from Trey. But ok fine it probably wasn't ideal to start him all year with his finger being compromised and Kyle wasn't confident in him throwing the ball too much cause of that.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
As I've said many times, from Trey's perspective as an individual player there's no arguing this. The idea that he becomes priority number 1 because of what was invested in him is where there's an argument. There are more angles than what's good for Trey or what could theoretically be good for our team long term.

If we continue on this trajectory and Trey ends up moving on without getting significant regular season playing time there's clearly going to be two camps on what went wrong: people who believe he wasn't properly developed, and people who believe he should have never been drafted in the first place.

It was never a good draft pick. Take away the trade... aiight I get it. Throw in the trade and it's

Yeah, an inexperienced project QB fails much more often than not. Trading up to a spot without deciding on the pick was silly.

Lance could still show out, but the deck is stacked against him. It always was since the moment he was drafted.

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
As I've said many times, from Trey's perspective as an individual player there's no arguing this. The idea that he becomes priority number 1 because of what was invested in him is where there's an argument. There are more angles than what's good for Trey or what could theoretically be good for our team long term.

If we continue on this trajectory and Trey ends up moving on without getting significant regular season playing time there's clearly going to be two camps on what went wrong: people who believe he wasn't properly developed, and people who believe he should have never been drafted in the first place.

It was never a good draft pick. Take away the trade... aiight I get it. Throw in the trade and it's

Yeah, an inexperienced project QB fails much more often than not. Trading up to a spot without deciding on the pick was silly.

Lance could still show out, but the deck is stacked against him. It always was since the moment he was drafted.

They fell in love with him, that's why they took him over Jones, which we could have got at #12 or whatever the pick was. Should have stayed at our original pick, paid less and kept our picks and just taken Jones, which is who Shanahan wanted. Shanny was just getting into the job, so maybe Lynch over ruled him. But, it is what it is and a guy named Purdy appeared before us and threw a wrench into the 49ers for Trey. If Trey didn't get hurt, Purdy would have never happened. That's the elephant in the room. He'll probably get traded next year and hopefully we can recover something from what we gave up for him. But, that's sports, it's unpredictable. But, we ended up on our feet with the last pick of the draft, so it all even's out. So, we may have lost 2 ones, it's collateral damage. Lance, from what I hear has no market. So, what maybe a 4th and additional picks? Whether, he'll ever get a chance to be a starter is up to situations that's out of his control. We all love Trey, and hope he can recover his career, because he's a heck of a guy. Peace, out.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I don't think Lance has ever been remotely close to as good as jimmy in regards to overall QB play, including leadership etc.

idk if Lance would of gotten as good as jimmy because Jimmy was a damn good QB. He wasn't a scrub. He wasn't what we hoped he would be but he was in the top 12 QBs.

Lance hasn't been healthy for a single regular season game, so I doubt he would of gotten better as the season went on. Not because he can't get better, but he was injured and it would of compounded. The experience would of probably benefited him down the road, IMO, but I think lances play has been pretty bad when he's the starter. So when I project him over a season, I'm not expecting much.

i don't want this to come off as some bashing post, I'm just giving my honest take on how I think it would of played out. I think if we played a good team, he would of been a disaster. He probably could continue to best the bad teams if our defense continued playing at a high level.

im glad Lance is finally healthy and working on the things that he is. I'm hoping he looks good and confident heading into camp and just let's loose. I'd really like to see him make a big stride and give Brock some competition.

Jimmy was not very good in 2021 though. Watch the Falcons or Titans game. Hell watch the 1st half vs the Rams. What Trey did vs Houston is on par with what Jimmy was doing against everyone but Jacksonville in the 2nd half of the year. It was the Deebo show for the most part.

He was much more inconsistent than he has in the past during the regular season but he was also super injured. The team was pretty injured in general that season. Plus we got off to a horrible start - IIRC

Originally posted by tankle104:
He was much more inconsistent than he has in the past during the regular season but he was also super injured. The team was pretty injured in general that season. Plus we got off to a horrible start - IIRC

He wasn't injured vs Atlanta or Seattle. Wasn't injured when he threw an awful goal line pick vs Tennessee then followed it up with missing a wide open Juice. He just wasn't particularly good in 2021. Deebo carried the offense on his back the 2nd half.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I think he was pretty much the same Jimmy G we've seen the last three seasons. Probably have better production, like last season, if CMC was in the mix in '21. What he is as a player is pretty well established and he's been consistent in that, bad and good.

I disagree. 2019 Jimmy was a far better QB then we ever got in 2020 and 2021. 2022 he started playing solid ball again and even had a couple great games once Mac was here but I never had a feeling he could do what he did vs the Cards or Saints again. I do think Trey could've approached the level of Jimmy in 2021 and it would've been worth it to see in hindsight. But that's hindsight for ya.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by tankle104:
He was much more inconsistent than he has in the past during the regular season but he was also super injured. The team was pretty injured in general that season. Plus we got off to a horrible start - IIRC

He wasn't injured vs Atlanta or Seattle. Wasn't injured when he threw an awful goal line pick vs Tennessee then followed it up with missing a wide open Juice. He just wasn't particularly good in 2021.

9-6 record, 98.7 rated, led NFL in yds / comp, and net yds gained per pass attempt

he was good, remember he had to lead a game tying drive length of field in like 90 secs just for us to have that postseason run of beating DAL and GB
imagine if TL goes 9-6, 98.7 rated, leds the NFL in several stat categories.. we would be dancing in the streets if TL does a fraction of that in year 3

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
9-6 record, 98.7 rated, led NFL in yds / comp, and net yds gained per pass attempt

he was good, remember he had to lead a game tying drive length of field in like 90 secs just for us to have that postseason run of beating DAL and GB
imagine if TL goes 9-6, 98.7 rated, leds the NFL in several stat categories.. we would be dancing in the streets if TL does a fraction of that in year 3

Trey had a hundred rating in his one game and it's criticized for not being very good (honestly he wasn't great but played on Jimmys level that game).

He had a great final drive against the Rams. He was also bad the first half of the game. Again Deebo being Deebo got us back in the game. If not for Deebo we don't make the playoffs and it's not close

If Trey would've done that as a rookie it's a different conversation BECAUSE he's a rookie.