Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by genus49:
And yet he's shown NFL caliber throws and into right windows in the NFL so…

Dudes just aren't watching or are blind I guess.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Realistically, it'll probably play out where none of those three were worth trading up for. lol which I think is what bothers most people, the trade up was the worst part. Typically, I'm comfortable with the team taking big swings when they really believe in a player but it sounds like that just took a swing to swing, like they didn't love anyone of them when they moved up. They just moved up to see which one they want the most. Lol that to me is horrible. I think Lynch & Kyle have done a really good job overall, but that one puzzles me.

One thing I think you have to look at is just how hard it is for a very good team to improve from a good QB to a better QB. Either you trade enormous amounts for a known quantity, or you get very lucky with the right veteran wanting to make the move to you (which potentially could have happened with either Rogers or Brady). You can't do it through the draft because successful seasons get you nowhere near the top end of the first, where you need to be, even with trade ups.

They explored avenues (tried to get Stafford, Rogers, etc.). The bum season of 2018, where we had unprecedented injuries, gave the front office a unique opportunity - a championship-ready team, a highly-rated QB draft class, and the opportunity to trade into the QB picks.

It's a way of achieving the highly-difficult, and I think they saw the uniqueness of it as a situation. Yes it was expensive (in terms of picks), but any process to land a top level QB was going to be expensive in one way or another. The value here was in utilising a rookie contract for several seasons.

I think the reasoning was sound. Obviously, with injuries and some lacklustre play, things haven't worked out the way they wanted so far.

Originally posted by joeknows:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Realistically, it'll probably play out where none of those three were worth trading up for. lol which I think is what bothers most people, the trade up was the worst part. Typically, I'm comfortable with the team taking big swings when they really believe in a player but it sounds like that just took a swing to swing, like they didn't love anyone of them when they moved up. They just moved up to see which one they want the most. Lol that to me is horrible. I think Lynch & Kyle have done a really good job overall, but that one puzzles me.

One thing I think you have to look at is just how hard it is for a very good team to improve from a good QB to a better QB. Either you trade enormous amounts for a known quantity, or you get very lucky with the right veteran wanting to make the move to you (which potentially could have happened with either Rogers or Brady). You can't do it through the draft because successful seasons get you nowhere near the top end of the first, where you need to be, even with trade ups.

They explored avenues (tried to get Stafford, Rogers, etc.). The bum season of 2018, where we had unprecedented injuries, gave the front office a unique opportunity - a championship-ready team, a highly-rated QB draft class, and the opportunity to trade into the QB picks.

It's a way of achieving the highly-difficult, and I think they saw the uniqueness of it as a situation. Yes it was expensive (in terms of picks), but any process to land a top level QB was going to be expensive in one way or another. The value here was in utilising a rookie contract for several seasons.

I think the reasoning was sound. Obviously, with injuries and some lacklustre play, things haven't worked out the way they wanted so far.

You know, it kind of worked out. Even without these three first round picks, IMO, we still have the best roster in the league. If we'd of picked up Rodgers' $50m/year contract, that wouldn't be the case, and we wouldn't be set at quarterback for long.

With John's prowess in the draft and trades, and Kyle's reputation that will always attract top quarterbacks, it was always just a matter of deciding to move on from Jimmy and taking some shots. I think Brock's going to be a top quarterback, and I think if needed, Kyle can win games with both Trey and Sam. The upside far exceeds the spilt milk.

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by genus49:
And yet he's shown NFL caliber throws and into right windows in the NFL so…

Dudes just aren't watching or are blind I guess.

How many years will it take for fans to realize that this alone doesn't make a great qb? It's the same argument over and over again. Do you know who else was capable of making NFL throws in tight windows? Jim druckenmiller, jamarcus Russell. Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, Tim couch, josh rosen...

Lance was prepared to be the starter last year, it was an injury that ended his season, and it's an unfortunate injury to Purdy that's given him the chance to once again be the starter.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by genus49:
And yet he's shown NFL caliber throws and into right windows in the NFL so…

Dudes just aren't watching or are blind I guess.

How many years will it take for fans to realize that this alone doesn't make a great qb? It's the same argument over and over again. Do you know who else was capable of making NFL throws in tight windows? Jim druckenmiller, jamarcus Russell. Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, Tim couch, josh rosen...

Man you guys are exhausting.

Nobody is putting Lance in the HOF, simply saying the guy has yet to write his story and hasn't been as bad as some are painting him in the film he's shown so far.

Bringing up his college tape at this point is stupid. It may not be a lot but we have NFL film to look at so making claims he didn't make NFL throws on his college tape means little when he's made NFL throws...in the NFL!

btw feel free to find me those NFL throws from Jim Drucknemiller....

Lance also had the 3rd best big time throw % last season and 90% of his throws came in a big rain game, with the bulk of those attempts happening late in the game when the rain was its worst.

It may not be a guarantee of great success but it's not a bad thing to show in limited snaps and tough circumstances.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by eric_anthony:

Originally posted by genus49:
And yet he's shown NFL caliber throws and into right windows in the NFL so…

Dudes just aren't watching or are blind I guess.

How many years will it take for fans to realize that this alone doesn't make a great qb? It's the same argument over and over again. Do you know who else was capable of making NFL throws in tight windows? Jim druckenmiller, jamarcus Russell. Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, Tim couch, josh rosen...

Man you guys are exhausting.

Nobody is putting Lance in the HOF, simply saying the guy has yet to write his story and hasn't been as bad as some are painting him in the film he's shown so far.

Bringing up his college tape at this point is stupid. It may not be a lot but we have NFL film to look at so making claims he didn't make NFL throws on his college tape means little when he's made NFL throws...in the NFL!

btw feel free to find me those NFL throws from Jim Drucknemiller....

Lance also had the 3rd best big time throw % last season and 90% of his throws came in a big rain game, with the bulk of those attempts happening late in the game when the rain was its worst.

It may not be a guarantee of great success but it's not a bad thing to show in limited snaps and tough circumstances.

I want ot say agian that the picks the 2 first round picks they lost were late first rounders. If they had kept those picks and stayed in that position there's no guarantee that the guys they picked would be great. They could have been busts or just a solid backup like so many first rounders. Half the Niner first round picks are average or complete busts. Lance may not ever become great but it was a chance they felt was worth taking. When you finish near the top and make the playoffs every year you don't get a lot of chances to draft in the top 3.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
How many years will it take for fans to realize that this alone doesn't make a great qb? It's the same argument over and over again. Do you know who else was capable of making NFL throws in tight windows? Jim druckenmiller, jamarcus Russell. Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, Tim couch, josh rosen...

Talking out of your rear end on this one. Just making things up.

Originally posted by genus49:
Man you guys are exhausting.

Nobody is putting Lance in the HOF, simply saying the guy has yet to write his story and hasn't been as bad as some are painting him in the film he's shown so far.

Bringing up his college tape at this point is stupid. It may not be a lot but we have NFL film to look at so making claims he didn't make NFL throws on his college tape means little when he's made NFL throws...in the NFL!

btw feel free to find me those NFL throws from Jim Drucknemiller....

Lance also had the 3rd best big time throw % last season and 90% of his throws came in a big rain game, with the bulk of those attempts happening late in the game when the rain was its worst.

It may not be a guarantee of great success but it's not a bad thing to show in limited snaps and tough circumstances.

lol 3rd in btt% and you are basing that off what, a game? dude doesn't even qualify

from homepage on QB2 comp
I think Baldy has it spot on:

Trey Lance and Sam Darnold, both former No. 3 overall picks, are competing for the QB2 job. Lance was the 49ers' starter entering the 2022 season but suffered a season-ending ankle injury during Week 2. Darnold joined San Francisco as a free agent this offseason.

Baldinger believes that's the training-camp competition to keep an eye on.

"And people go, why is there a battle? Why isn't Trey Lance the quarterback? Well, he started four games," Baldinger said. "He's thrown 100 passes in his career in two years. He just hasn't been available. And I'm not here to knock Trey Lance. I like him, personally, and I'd like to see him compete, but I think Sam Darnold is going to compete too.

"And so we have seen in San Francisco—Lord knows we have seen—you better get your backup quarterback ready to play. You just better, for whatever reason. That position has been hammered ever since Kyle's been there. And so you better get yourself a really ready-to-play number two quarterback, whoever that's going to be."

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
How many years will it take for fans to realize that this alone doesn't make a great qb? It's the same argument over and over again. Do you know who else was capable of making NFL throws in tight windows? Jim druckenmiller, jamarcus Russell. Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, Tim couch, josh rosen...

Talking out of your rear end on this one. Just making things up.

Im saying throwing a couple balls doesn't make a great qb. This should be clear to everyone.

Look at these highlights from these busts.
Some pretty impressive throws.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
You know, it kind of worked out. Even without these three first round picks, IMO, we still have the best roster in the league. If we'd of picked up Rodgers' $50m/year contract, that wouldn't be the case, and we wouldn't be set at quarterback for long.

With John's prowess in the draft and trades, and Kyle's reputation that will always attract top quarterbacks, it was always just a matter of deciding to move on from Jimmy and taking some shots. I think Brock's going to be a top quarterback, and I think if needed, Kyle can win games with both Trey and Sam. The upside far exceeds the spilt milk.

It might still work out, and I hope it does. But if the 'it' we're talking about is jumping up for Trey, it clearly hasn't worked out yet.

The other move they made - the one that did work out - was very bold also. People play down the fact that 49ers had guaranteed Sudfeld $2M, and ended up having to pay $1M of that rather than risk losing Purdy, who up to that point was not a lauded player at all. That was actually surprising and ballsy.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
Man you guys are exhausting.

Nobody is putting Lance in the HOF, simply saying the guy has yet to write his story and hasn't been as bad as some are painting him in the film he's shown so far.

Bringing up his college tape at this point is stupid. It may not be a lot but we have NFL film to look at so making claims he didn't make NFL throws on his college tape means little when he's made NFL throws...in the NFL!

btw feel free to find me those NFL throws from Jim Drucknemiller....

Lance also had the 3rd best big time throw % last season and 90% of his throws came in a big rain game, with the bulk of those attempts happening late in the game when the rain was its worst.

It may not be a guarantee of great success but it's not a bad thing to show in limited snaps and tough circumstances.

lol 3rd in btt% and you are basing that off what, a game? dude doesn't even qualify

Yes...I'm basing it off the only games he had.

Do you want me to base it off games that didn't happen? That's the whole point of waiting to evaluating the kid.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
Man you guys are exhausting.

Nobody is putting Lance in the HOF, simply saying the guy has yet to write his story and hasn't been as bad as some are painting him in the film he's shown so far.

Bringing up his college tape at this point is stupid. It may not be a lot but we have NFL film to look at so making claims he didn't make NFL throws on his college tape means little when he's made NFL throws...in the NFL!

btw feel free to find me those NFL throws from Jim Drucknemiller....

Lance also had the 3rd best big time throw % last season and 90% of his throws came in a big rain game, with the bulk of those attempts happening late in the game when the rain was its worst.

It may not be a guarantee of great success but it's not a bad thing to show in limited snaps and tough circumstances.

lol 3rd in btt% and you are basing that off what, a game? dude doesn't even qualify

Yes...I'm basing it off the only games he had.

Do you want me to base it off games that didn't happen? That's the whole point of waiting to evaluating the kid.

No we dont want you to use it at all since the sample size is too small and there is not enough data to make a conclusion.

No one is saying trey hasn't had some good throws. But the throws have been inconsistent, few and far between. He has also had some.embarrassingly bad throws.

He will get his shot at training camp. Let's see how he does.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
Man you guys are exhausting.

Nobody is putting Lance in the HOF, simply saying the guy has yet to write his story and hasn't been as bad as some are painting him in the film he's shown so far.

Bringing up his college tape at this point is stupid. It may not be a lot but we have NFL film to look at so making claims he didn't make NFL throws on his college tape means little when he's made NFL throws...in the NFL!

btw feel free to find me those NFL throws from Jim Drucknemiller....

Lance also had the 3rd best big time throw % last season and 90% of his throws came in a big rain game, with the bulk of those attempts happening late in the game when the rain was its worst.

It may not be a guarantee of great success but it's not a bad thing to show in limited snaps and tough circumstances.

lol 3rd in btt% and you are basing that off what, a game? dude doesn't even qualify

Yes...I'm basing it off the only games he had.

Do you want me to base it off games that didn't happen? That's the whole point of waiting to evaluating the kid.

that's not an evaluation, he had 5 bad quarters and didn't score any points and you want to talk about btt %, 3rd best in the NFL.. give me a break man
do you realize how silly this sounds? heck one could say he had the lowest TD % in NFL history, tied with a bunch of guys at 0%, he didn't get the ball in the endzone
if someone was going around talking about him being 0% on that, or dead last, I would say give me a break, he didn't play enough games

this is why typically on metric stats, you need a min number of games or attempts to qualify.