Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:

Jimmy can keep him on the bench by winning. simple as that. If Jimmy goes out and puts up W's then Lance sits. the minute Jimmy starts tossing picks and it costs us (even if it doesnt) Lance will be in there. the only problem with Lance is he's a rookie and this team is built to win a superbowl this year. do they want to gamble on a rookie if Jimmy is healthy? hes been a beast when healthy

exactly

KC had a playoff team with Alex Smith and an offensive genius Reid as well with Mahomes on the bench. We have a better offensive coach and a better team than KC did so following their blueprint in not stupid in any way whatsoever.

playing backup didn't hurt Mahomes at all

No it didn't, but did it hurt the Chiefs?

I thought it did. They had the #1 rusher in the league along with Hill/Kelce and they somehow did not make it out of the first round.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
Jimmy can keep him on the bench by winning. simple as that. If Jimmy goes out and puts up W's then Lance sits. the minute Jimmy starts tossing picks and it costs us (even if it doesnt) Lance will be in there. the only problem with Lance is he's a rookie and this team is built to win a superbowl this year. do they want to gamble on a rookie if Jimmy is healthy? hes been a beast when healthy

exactly

KC had a playoff team with Alex Smith and an offensive genius Reid as well with Mahomes on the bench. We have a better offensive coach and a better team than KC did so following their blueprint in not stupid in any way whatsoever.

playing backup didn't hurt Mahomes at all

No it didn't, but did it hurt the Chiefs?

I thought it did. They had the #1 rusher in the league along with Hill/Kelce and they somehow did not make it out of the first round.

Yeah, I think so, I also wonder, as awesome as he was his MVP year, would he have been even better with his rookie season under his belt?

I'm not sure how much relevance this has with Trey as development archs are different for everyone.

One thing I do think though, is it's not just about Trey, this scheme, offense and gameplan will evolve with Trey under center. Are we holding ourselves back? Is the earlier we go to it better for everyone?

The skillsets are just so different.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I thought it did. They had the #1 rusher in the league along with Hill/Kelce and they somehow did not make it out of the first round.

That was the indi game though Alex had like 5 Td and the scores almost 50 points that game. The offense wasn't the problem

either way I think the situations are different Trey doesn't have a lot of college games under his belt. I think it makes sense to redshirt him for the year but if he's ready earlier I'm ok starting him but I don't think there has been a top 10 pick with as little resume as lance has

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I thought it did. They had the #1 rusher in the league along with Hill/Kelce and they somehow did not make it out of the first round.

That was the indi game though Alex had like 5 Td and the scores almost 50 points that game. The offense wasn't the problem

either way I think the situations are different Trey doesn't have a lot of college games under his belt. I think it makes sense to redshirt him for the year but if he's ready earlier I'm ok starting him but I don't think there has been a top 10 pick with as little resume as lance has

DUMB. The kid needs REPS, not to sit on his butt like JimmyG CHOSE TO DO after he was declared ready to go by team doctors. KYLE NEVER FORGETS. We have a kid with far better tools than Jimmy ever possessed and you think it "MAKES SENSE" to sit him for a year. Why are you so scared??? Show some cojones and start the kid right away. Jimmy became a statue through his own stupidity.

Originally posted by frenchtoast:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I thought it did. They had the #1 rusher in the league along with Hill/Kelce and they somehow did not make it out of the first round.

That was the indi game though Alex had like 5 Td and the scores almost 50 points that game. The offense wasn't the problem

either way I think the situations are different Trey doesn't have a lot of college games under his belt. I think it makes sense to redshirt him for the year but if he's ready earlier I'm ok starting him but I don't think there has been a top 10 pick with as little resume as lance has

DUMB. The kid needs REPS, not to sit on his butt like JimmyG CHOSE TO DO after he was declared ready to go by team doctors. KYLE NEVER FORGETS. We have a kid with far better tools than Jimmy ever possessed and you think it "MAKES SENSE" to sit him for a year. Why are you so scared??? Show some cojones and start the kid right away. Jimmy became a statue through his own stupidity.

its about doing whats best for the team and which option will give us the most wins Its a fact that Trey has thrown less than 320 passes and played in a weak conference in college and in that confrence its not exactly like he broke any passing records either and now youre asking him to start in the nfl. I think he is physically and mentally ready for the nfl but not its about getting him up to speed

Go, Trey, go!

Originally posted by ritz126:
That was the indi game though Alex had like 5 Td and the scores almost 50 points that game. The offense wasn't the problem

either way I think the situations are different Trey doesn't have a lot of college games under his belt. I think it makes sense to redshirt him for the year but if he's ready earlier I'm ok starting him but I don't think there has been a top 10 pick with as little resume as lance has

It's not really gonna help him progress If he's sitting on the bench though, the best way for any player In sports to Improve Is to actually participate. I'm not sure who will be the day 1 starter, but It's vital to give Trey as much playing time as possible.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by ritz126:
That was the indi game though Alex had like 5 Td and the scores almost 50 points that game. The offense wasn't the problem

either way I think the situations are different Trey doesn't have a lot of college games under his belt. I think it makes sense to redshirt him for the year but if he's ready earlier I'm ok starting him but I don't think there has been a top 10 pick with as little resume as lance has

It's not really gonna help him progress If he's sitting on the bench though, the best way for any player In sports to Improve Is to actually participate. I'm not sure who will be the day 1 starter, but It's vital to give Trey as much playing time as possible.

I expect he's going to get a lot of time in the preseason. They rarely play the starting QB much anymore so it should be mostly his time.

Originally posted by ritz126:
its about doing whats best for the team and which option will give us the most wins Its a fact that Trey has thrown less than 320 passes and played in a weak conference in college and in that confrence its not exactly like he broke any passing records either and now youre asking him to start in the nfl. I think he is physically and mentally ready for the nfl but not its about getting him up to speed

Weak compared to Alabama, Clemson and a couple dozen other premier FBS programs.
Strong enough to beat Iowa with CJ Beatherd, George Kittle and Desmond King though. (Prior to Lance).
Kittle did have 110 yards on 5 catches in that game though.

I think Lance has a lot of upside, but honestly he needs to be eased into the fray.
He ran great at NDSU, but passing did have some issues. Mostly sailing balls and overthrows.
I would start Jimmy and give Lance a few possessions each game when possible/practical until he looks comfortable and performs.
I think he works out for the Niners, but its truly a crapshoot IMO.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by ritz126:
That was the indi game though Alex had like 5 Td and the scores almost 50 points that game. The offense wasn't the problem

either way I think the situations are different Trey doesn't have a lot of college games under his belt. I think it makes sense to redshirt him for the year but if he's ready earlier I'm ok starting him but I don't think there has been a top 10 pick with as little resume as lance has

It's not really gonna help him progress If he's sitting on the bench though, the best way for any player In sports to Improve Is to actually participate. I'm not sure who will be the day 1 starter, but It's vital to give Trey as much playing time as possible.

i misspoke. I dont think he should be redshirted i just don't believe he should be the full time starter at least right of the gate. I think he will/should be included in 3rd and short and redzone packages because his athleticism. If we had no chance of reaching/winning the SB i would be on the start Lance now bandwagon

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by ritz126:
That was the indi game though Alex had like 5 Td and the scores almost 50 points that game. The offense wasn't the problem

either way I think the situations are different Trey doesn't have a lot of college games under his belt. I think it makes sense to redshirt him for the year but if he's ready earlier I'm ok starting him but I don't think there has been a top 10 pick with as little resume as lance has

It's not really gonna help him progress If he's sitting on the bench though, the best way for any player In sports to Improve Is to actually participate. I'm not sure who will be the day 1 starter, but It's vital to give Trey as much playing time as possible.

I expect he's going to get a lot of time in the preseason. They rarely play the starting QB much anymore so it should be mostly his time.

I don't see it man. I can't see trey or jimmy playing in the second half of any preseason game with how cautious shanny has been with injuries so far this season. He's definitely putting health above practice reps right now. I don't think trey stands to gain anything throwing to river cracraft while being protected by future car salesman.

Originally posted by NDSU:
Weak compared to Alabama, Clemson and a couple dozen other premier FBS programs.
Strong enough to beat Iowa with CJ Beatherd, George Kittle and Desmond King though. (Prior to Lance).
Kittle did have 110 yards on 5 catches in that game though.

I think Lance has a lot of upside, but honestly he needs to be eased into the fray.
He ran great at NDSU, but passing did have some issues. Mostly sailing balls and overthrows.
I would start Jimmy and give Lance a few possessions each game when possible/practical until he looks comfortable and performs.
I think he works out for the Niners, but its truly a crapshoot IMO.

Thats what i saw predraft as well his accuracy and ball placement was an issue. But of course that tape was 2 years ago and it looks like he spent his "year off" improving his mechanics

I honestly think with his skillset his work ethic and intelligence with this coaching staff and the talent around him he will work out great. I just have a hard time believing a player who did not dominate a weaker division who threw less than 320 college passes and hasnt really played a college game in a whole year will come in and be ready to play against NFL talent

This is my opinion pre TC and preseason though i may be proven wrong

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9moon:
looks nice and great.. but wont it be better if he's throwing to WRs running routes against DBs?

I think our QB coach should have him throw against certain coverage already..

That's not the point of what is happening here...it's all about muscle memory with his mechanics.

Those aren't our coaches either, he's been working with Q Avery and QB takeover to continue tightening up his throwing motion. That's what Kyle wanted him to do during this time off AND it looks pretty freaking good

NO one is saying he's not improved the mechanics.... but those mechanics WILL change when he's facing coverages he's never seen before... my point is, YES work on the mechanics but it's also a very good idea if he's already learning how to throw on NFL coverage..

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by NDSU:
Weak compared to Alabama, Clemson and a couple dozen other premier FBS programs.
Strong enough to beat Iowa with CJ Beatherd, George Kittle and Desmond King though. (Prior to Lance).
Kittle did have 110 yards on 5 catches in that game though.

I think Lance has a lot of upside, but honestly he needs to be eased into the fray.
He ran great at NDSU, but passing did have some issues. Mostly sailing balls and overthrows.
I would start Jimmy and give Lance a few possessions each game when possible/practical until he looks comfortable and performs.
I think he works out for the Niners, but its truly a crapshoot IMO.

Thats what i saw predraft as well his accuracy and ball placement was an issue. But of course that tape was 2 years ago and it looks like he spent his "year off" improving his mechanics

I honestly think with his skillset his work ethic and intelligence with this coaching staff and the talent around him he will work out great. I just have a hard time believing a player who did not dominate a weaker division who threw less than 320 college passes and hasnt really played a college game in a whole year will come in and be ready to play against NFL talent

This is my opinion pre TC and preseason though i may be proven wrong

RITZ, you need to get used to the WEBZONE.. . most fans here believe that every players we have are future HOFers..

you're going against fans who once thought that we can trade MULLENS for a 2nd rounder !!!

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
Jimmy can keep him on the bench by winning. simple as that. If Jimmy goes out and puts up W's then Lance sits. the minute Jimmy starts tossing picks and it costs us (even if it doesnt) Lance will be in there. the only problem with Lance is he's a rookie and this team is built to win a superbowl this year. do they want to gamble on a rookie if Jimmy is healthy? hes been a beast when healthy

exactly

KC had a playoff team with Alex Smith and an offensive genius Reid as well with Mahomes on the bench. We have a better offensive coach and a better team than KC did so following their blueprint in not stupid in any way whatsoever.

playing backup didn't hurt Mahomes at all

No it didn't, but did it hurt the Chiefs?

Hurt the Chiefs?

MVP QB
SB Champ
SB MVP QB
Best Record and Back to back SB appearances

i will take that hurt 10 out 10 times