Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

I don't know when Lance will get his shot but I hope it's because he's ready and not because Jimmy gets hurt.

I'm actually just as excited to see how the D shapes up this year with Bosa's return and a new coach.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

What is a "pro-ready" QB? Should the definition in our heads be changing?@CDonnick3 breaks down the "pro-ready" narrative, the pitfalls within it, and what's actually starting to matter for immediate success.#FrontOffice33 | #NFLDrafthttps://t.co/zisDK5XEdq

— The Draft Network (@TheDraftNetwork) July 12, 2021

That piece isn't that great and was written by a 12 yo from looking at the pic lol

you mention that Lance is the most Pro-Ready, when the opinion piece says the one who's "pro-ready' ends up flloundering and the one who ends up having the success are the ones labeled as projects

listing Herbert as a project or example for our situation forgot that he would have went #1 overall if he didn't stay back a year

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Literally this is exactly what I've been trying to say! You're just way better at saying it lol

Bravo, sir

Trey getting experience on the field and Trey starting aren't mutually exclusive. Trey can get in game experience in multiple ways including the following:

• Heavy preseason work
• First team reps in practice
• Mop-up duty in blow-outs
• Special packages in games a la Taysom Hill/Jalen Hurts
• If the playoffs are wrapped up Trey will start a game or two to end the regular season

I wouldn't be surprised if we see most of these if not all of them during the season. This way Trey "sits" but that doesn't mean he isn't getting game experience. When a player sits, it usually means he has a chance to learn the game without the pressure of having to win games. It helps refine him as a QB while building his confidence.

You folks can bring up RGIII all you want, but the Shanahan's hands were forced with that one. If they could've sat him (or not draft him at all) they would have.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
That piece isn't that great and was written by a 12 yo from looking at the pic lol

you mention that Lance is the most Pro-Ready, when the opinion piece says the one who's "pro-ready' ends up flloundering and the one who ends up having the success are the ones labeled as projects

listing Herbert as a project or example for our situation forgot that he would have went #1 overall if he didn't stay back a year

Who cares what he looks like.

What I'm saying is the term pro-ready is pretty different then what it was a while ago….what's "pro-ready" in today's game are guys who are athletic with strong arms for the most part.
Guys like Rosen who are pure pocket passers rely on being mentally there NFL wise…if not they're f**ked. Guys like Herbert/Allen/Mahomes/Watson/Jackso etc have god given ability that helped them over come the mental hurdles that they ALL go through as young QBs.

Adding in that Lance actually ran the most pro-style offense (at least very similar to Kyle's offense) is just another feather in his cap to the equation.

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
Trey getting experience on the field and Trey starting aren't mutually exclusive. Trey can get in game experience in multiple ways including the following:

• Heavy preseason work
• First team reps in practice
• Mop-up duty in blow-outs
• Special packages in games a la Taysom Hill/Jalen Hurts
• If the playoffs are wrapped up Trey will start a game or two to end the regular season

I wouldn't be surprised if we see most of these if not all of them during the season. This way Trey "sits" but that doesn't mean he isn't getting game experience. When a player sits, it usually means he has a chance to learn the game without the pressure of having to win games. It helps refine him as a QB while building his confidence.

You folks can bring up RGIII all you want, but the Shanahan's hands were forced with that one. If they could've sat him (or not draft him at all) they would have.

He's not gonna be getting a ton of first team practice reps during the season…that goes to the starter and if he does you're then taking snaps from the starter which doesn't help this team win.

Cool let's throw out our heavily invested QB to run some zone reads that will for sure improve his develop and not increase the likelihood of a stupid injury according.

what is he learning about the game by sitting? What did you learn by riding the bench in sports? Again all these dudes that sit say all they learned was how to "prepare like a pro" lol cool. Guess what he's been doing that this whole last season. Go listen to Avery talk about what they did with Lance this past season.

ya'll act like Lance needs to be a super star in order to beat out Jimmy, that's where you're wrong. I'm not saying he starts day 1, but he will be starting sooner than later.

I just invested in his jersey so until he starts, I can say the most popular person on the team is the backup QB. When he finally starts, I can say I knew he was going to start sooner rather than later. Can't wait to see how this all plays out. 2 more weeks before the controversy starts in earnest.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
Trey getting experience on the field and Trey starting aren't mutually exclusive. Trey can get in game experience in multiple ways including the following:

• Heavy preseason work
• First team reps in practice
• Mop-up duty in blow-outs
• Special packages in games a la Taysom Hill/Jalen Hurts
• If the playoffs are wrapped up Trey will start a game or two to end the regular season

I wouldn't be surprised if we see most of these if not all of them during the season. This way Trey "sits" but that doesn't mean he isn't getting game experience. When a player sits, it usually means he has a chance to learn the game without the pressure of having to win games. It helps refine him as a QB while building his confidence.

You folks can bring up RGIII all you want, but the Shanahan's hands were forced with that one. If they could've sat him (or not draft him at all) they would have.

He's not gonna be getting a ton of first team practice reps during the season…that goes to the starter and if he does you're then taking snaps from the starter which doesn't help this team win.

Cool let's throw out our heavily invested QB to run some zone reads that will for sure improve his develop and not increase the likelihood of a stupid injury according.

what is he learning about the game by sitting? What did you learn by riding the bench in sports? Again all these dudes that sit say all they learned was how to "prepare like a pro" lol cool. Guess what he's been doing that this whole last season. Go listen to Avery talk about what they did with Lance this past season.

ya'll act like Lance needs to be a super star in order to beat out Jimmy, that's where you're wrong. I'm not saying he starts day 1, but he will be starting sooner than later.

The 49ers know Jimmy can go out anytime.. but you want to seriously think Kyle will just have Lance sit there watching in between weeks when Lance can be called on during the game at anytime. Seriouly doubt that.

I hope Lance is a super star before week 1, but Jimmy should get the start until he proves he can't perform. if not starting him, then there is no reason for Jimmy to be here

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
The 49ers know Jimmy can go out anytime.. but you want to seriously think Kyle will just have Lance sit there watching in between weeks when Lance can be called on during the game at anytime. Seriouly doubt that.

I hope Lance is a super star before week 1, but Jimmy should get the start until he proves he can't perform. if not starting him, then there is no reason for Jimmy to be here

He will have whomever is the starter take the majority of first team snaps. It's not gonna be Jimmy you get half Lance you get half, those reps are massively important week to week as far as game planning goes.

you think Mullens split reps with Jimmy all the time, knowing that Jimmy could get hurt at any point? The moment they start spiting practice reps that will be the sign that Jimmy is on his way to the butt bench.

Jimmy shouldn't get anything, he will have to be marginally better than Lance…we will see, TC will tell us more.

It's about to go even higher now.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
The 49ers know Jimmy can go out anytime.. but you want to seriously think Kyle will just have Lance sit there watching in between weeks when Lance can be called on during the game at anytime. Seriouly doubt that.

I hope Lance is a super star before week 1, but Jimmy should get the start until he proves he can't perform. if not starting him, then there is no reason for Jimmy to be here

He will have whomever is the starter take the majority of first team snaps. It's not gonna be Jimmy you get half Lance you get half, those reps are massively important week to week as far as game planning goes.

you think Mullens split reps with Jimmy all the time, knowing that Jimmy could get hurt at any point? The moment they start spiting practice reps that will be the sign that Jimmy is on his way to the butt bench.

Jimmy shouldn't get anything, he will have to be marginally better than Lance…we will see, TC will tell us more.

This is different than Jimmy/Mullens/Beathard. Mully and Beath are cemented back ups. Lance is not.

Probably not going to happen, but i hope we can get the best of both worlds with winning enough where Lance can close out the game with needed reps

^^^ i stand by my post above, quoted on previous page by NY, post #7050. Additionally , as talented as Trey is, is he as talented at Mahomes? Much as i like Trey, Mahomes is the best talent in the NFL. And credit to Andy Reid for bringing him along gradually and not starting him right off the bat, even if he was a lot more talented than Alex.. But Alex Smith, like JimmyG, could handle the O extremely well, and not putting in a kid fresh out of college , even tho a brilliant talent, was a stroke of both genius and patience. I would hope things work out as well for us as it did for Mahomes.

For those of you who haven't seen Mahomes either in Hi school or in college, you would be amazed at just how spectacular he was. We can all hope that Trey is a mirror image, but two of them coming out only 4 yrs apart? Two of the very best? Mm.mmmm…odds are probably against that. It Trey is that good, then we got lucky …just as long as we don't hasten his entry into the NFL. The Reid/Mahomes lesson, is one nobody should forget. I couldn't believe it when Mahomes didn't start. In retrospect, the old sage, the Walrus, knew exactly what he had and what to do with it. I hope we are that wise.

Naturally, in case of injury to JG, then Trey would probably be forced to start. What i don't get is those Trey fans who completely disregard the lesson that Reid/Mahomes taught us. Suppose for a moment , altho unlikely, that Trey is another Mahomes. The question then is would you rather play him now even when he has a massive amount to learn about NFL being FASTER, SMARTER, MEANER, STRONGER…and he has a good year…or would you rather have him learn about the NFL with a clipboard and earphones, learning Kyle's system down pat, and when he starts next yr he is not good but the BEST? Say, another Mahomes, only 5 yrs younger? That's what I'm hoping for , that Trey has the time to acclimate, learn on the sidelines without getting beaten up, and ready to take the NFL by storm….next yr when he could be one of the best ever.

If he really is as good as some think he is, it is curious that those all-Trey-all-the-time fans, aren't thinking about how the best NFL QB in Decades (Mahomes) got that way . And it wasn't by rushing to getting him in. It was by patience, and learning the mental game with clipboard and earphones. If JG goes bottoms up, or injured, then that is all bye the bye. But if JG stays healthy, drives the team well, then… is it worth while reconsidering do we use Trey now when he is good…or wait a yr and potentially have the best ever?

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
I just invested in his jersey so until he starts, I can say the most popular person on the team is the backup QB. When he finally starts, I can say I knew he was going to start sooner rather than later. Can't wait to see how this all plays out. 2 more weeks before the controversy starts in earnest.

Kyle was ready to dump Jimmy for Stafford a while ago. He doesn't want Jimmy and the Chitty Chitty Bang Bang O out in his field any more. He effing shut it down on that last drive before half in the SB with plenty of time to get into fg range for Christ's sake. Behind the scenes he is setting Trey up to blow Jimmy glass legs off the field during the pre season.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
^^^ i stand by my post above, quoted on previous page by NY, post #7050. Additionally , as talented as Trey is, is he as talented at Mahomes? Much as i like Trey, Mahomes is the best talent in the NFL. And credit to Andy Reid for bringing him along gradually and not starting him right off the bat, even if he was a lot more talented than Alex.. But Alex Smith, like JimmyG, could handle the O extremely well, and not putting in a kid fresh out of college , even tho a brilliant talent, was a stroke of both genius and patience. I would hope things work out as well for us as it did for Mahomes.

Who caress about Mahomes? Is Trey as talented as Herbert, Murray, Cam, RG3, Dak? They all won OROY.

I think he's absolutely as talented as them and end of the day it's about being on par with Jimmy, which isn't some ridiculously hard thing to be.

go listen to what Mahomes said he learned…

"Just in preparation, the mental side of the game" he came from an air raid offense. Lance did not. What one player does or how he got there, isn't what's always best for another player. Mahomes after his MVP season said he couldn't even read coverages pre-snap…didn't matter. Imo Lance is more ready to play then Mahomes was when he was drafted

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/148139-jerry-rice-discusses-49ers-situation-expectations-brandon-aiyuk/

"I don't know what the situation is going to be, how competitive it's going to be, or if they're going to let Trey Lance sit for a little while where he can gain all that knowledge and then get ready to take on that starting job."

NY, can you at least quit repeating over and over over and over and over that "Trey won't learn anything sitting on the bench" now and put that part to bed…

On when Trey starts…
I would think he will start when Kyle decides, not??
However, If they are winning games, even by a point or two, I really don't see a QB change to an unknown in the hopes that they beat a team by more points like you and a some others are insisting..
yes, if tthey are winning, but not by enough points for you all we should still switch QB's…???
yea that'd be genius coaching and not tear a locker room apart… lol

Or maybe some fans are super excited that we may finally have an elite QB on the team for the first time in twenty years. That makes it real easy for me to pull for the kid to start ASAP. Nobody is suggesting he start at the expense of the tam winning games.

"Elite"
treys already an elite QB!! Lol
ok