Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
"Elite"
treys already an elite QB!! Lol
ok

He has elite tools. No apparent weaknesses. So from the "potential" perspective, he's elite. But that's something you need at least back-to-back seasons playing at a high level to earn. So let's reevaluate in the 2023 offseason.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
He has elite tools. No apparent weaknesses. So from the "potential" perspective, he's elite. But that's something you need at least back-to-back seasons playing at a high level to earn. So let's reevaluate in the 2023 offseason.

agreed, I think that was Ronnie's point...no one is saying he's an elite NFL QB right now. That's just silly.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
He has elite tools. No apparent weaknesses. So from the "potential" perspective, he's elite. But that's something you need at least back-to-back seasons playing at a high level to earn. So let's reevaluate in the 2023 offseason.

his accuracy is not elite it wasnt even average coming out of college

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
He has elite tools. No apparent weaknesses. So from the "potential" perspective, he's elite. But that's something you need at least back-to-back seasons playing at a high level to earn. So let's reevaluate in the 2023 offseason.

agreed, I think that was Ronnie's point...no one is saying he's an elite NFL QB right now. That's just silly.

"elite tools", "no apparent weaknesses"

These types of statements create false narratives. Let the kid show/play with a clean slate instead of creating expectations before even taking a snap

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
^^^ i stand by my post above, quoted on previous page by NY, post #7050. Additionally , as talented as Trey is, is he as talented at Mahomes? Much as i like Trey, Mahomes is the best talent in the NFL. And credit to Andy Reid for bringing him along gradually and not starting him right off the bat, even if he was a lot more talented than Alex.. But Alex Smith, like JimmyG, could handle the O extremely well, and not putting in a kid fresh out of college , even tho a brilliant talent, was a stroke of both genius and patience. I would hope things work out as well for us as it did for Mahomes.

Who caress about Mahomes? Is Trey as talented as Herbert, Murray, Cam, RG3, Dak? They all won OROY.

I think he's absolutely as talented as them and end of the day it's about being on par with Jimmy, which isn't some ridiculously hard thing to be.

go listen to what Mahomes said he learned…

"Just in preparation, the mental side of the game" he came from an air raid offense. Lance did not. What one player does or how he got there, isn't what's always best for another player. Mahomes after his MVP season said he couldn't even read coverages pre-snap…didn't matter. Imo Lance is more ready to play then Mahomes was when he was drafted

Missing my point. That is, WHAT IF? What if Trey IS that good (as Mahomes) but isn't ready for the big leagues yet?. Frankly i don't see Kyle nor JL letting him start until they are certain he IS ready. That excludes JG injury of course, which would maybe throw TRey into the arena, unless they really didn't think he was ready and started Rosen. ( I know, unlikely)…my hesitation is if we end up with a Mahomes talent QB by waiting until he is really ready for the BIGS, vs letting him start ASAP and getting a diminished , or lesser QB result.

My concern is as posted before, faster, meaner, smarter, Bigger, better….it is hard to imagine just HOW much the NFL is over CFB, but it is an immense step for a kid with 4 yrs high school and one yr small college ball. Why force him to play until he really is ready….i hope not because we took him #3 pick and gave up 2 firsts for him.

My hope is when he is ready he gets to start. And maybe that happens by game 1 and maybe it doesnt happen at all his yr. Why push it if he is learning without the worry inexperience could lead to injury. Trey is a big kid. But the NFL is a heckuva lot bigger…and faster… and stronger, meaner, smarter.

my point isn't about Mahomes. It is about WHAT IF Trey IS as good as Mahomes? It seems you are looking at it solely as "get him in as soon as possible because he can learn on the fly"…vs letting him get fully acclimated, learn the NFL speed, strength, smarts, etc, and THEN turn him loose.

Originally posted by socal1632:

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
I just invested in his jersey so until he starts, I can say the most popular person on the team is the backup QB. When he finally starts, I can say I knew he was going to start sooner rather than later. Can't wait to see how this all plays out. 2 more weeks before the controversy starts in earnest.

Kyle was ready to dump Jimmy for Stafford a while ago. He doesn't want Jimmy and the Chitty Chitty Bang Bang O out in his field any more. He effing shut it down on that last drive before half in the SB with plenty of time to get into fg range for Christ's sake. Behind the scenes he is setting Trey up to blow Jimmy glass legs off the field during the pre season.

Little bit of revisionist history with the statement about the drive before halftime in the super bowl. You must have missed the play where Jimmy threw a dime to George kittle down around the chiefs 15 yard line but kittle was called for offensive PI. After that backed us up we got out of the half before giving mahomes another crack at scoring before halftime.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
"Elite"
treys already an elite QB!! Lol
ok

Did you miss the part right before where he said 'finally may have'? Talk about cherry picking.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
He has elite tools. No apparent weaknesses. So from the "potential" perspective, he's elite. But that's something you need at least back-to-back seasons playing at a high level to earn. So let's reevaluate in the 2023 offseason.

agreed, I think that was Ronnie's point...no one is saying he's an elite NFL QB right now. That's just silly.

"elite tools", "no apparent weaknesses"

These types of statements create false narratives.

Feel free to share what tools of his you don't see as elite. I mean it is a message board?

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
He has elite tools. No apparent weaknesses. So from the "potential" perspective, he's elite. But that's something you need at least back-to-back seasons playing at a high level to earn. So let's reevaluate in the 2023 offseason.

agreed, I think that was Ronnie's point...no one is saying he's an elite NFL QB right now. That's just silly.

"elite tools", "no apparent weaknesses"

These types of statements create false narratives.

Feel free to share what tools of his you don't see as elite. I mean it is a message board?

My opinion which there is no opinion as i just see our new rookie throwing balls during his work outs.

If you want to crown him elite without showing it on the field, then you are a victim to what i've said.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/148139-jerry-rice-discusses-49ers-situation-expectations-brandon-aiyuk/

"I don't know what the situation is going to be, how competitive it's going to be, or if they're going to let Trey Lance sit for a little while where he can gain all that knowledge and then get ready to take on that starting job."

NY, can you at least quit repeating over and over over and over and over that "Trey won't learn anything sitting on the bench" now and put that part to bed…

On when Trey starts…
I would think he will start when Kyle decides, not??
However, If they are winning games, even by a point or two, I really don't see a QB change to an unknown in the hopes that they beat a team by more points like you and a some others are insisting..
yes, if tthey are winning, but not by enough points for you all we should still switch QB's…???
yea that'd be genius coaching and not tear a locker room apart… lol

Or maybe some fans are super excited that we may finally have an elite QB on the team for the first time in twenty years. That makes it real easy for me to pull for the kid to start ASAP. Nobody is suggesting he start at the expense of the tam winning games.

"Elite"
treys already an elite QB!! Lol
ok

I wouldn't call him elite yet. That was why I said "fans are excited we may have."

If you want to call him elite though, I won't argue. I think it's best we see what he has on the field first.

This is my way of looking at this whole situation. Lance is going to have all of camp and pre season to work on getting NFL ready. In the process he's also going to be showing the coaching staff and his teammates if he is ready to lead this team. I think it would take a unanimous agreement by the staff and players that he gives the team a better chance of winning than Jimmy does for him to be starter by week 1. Can he do it only time will tell. If it's not unanimous and there is still things he needs to work on by the end of camp then they'll just start Jimmy and continue to let him learn. It's really a win win for this team. If he's ready by week 1 we have our future QB if he's not ready no rush let Jimmy lead this team in the mean time,

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Missing my point. That is, WHAT IF? What if Trey IS that good (as Mahomes) but isn't ready for the big leagues yet?. Frankly i don't see Kyle nor JL letting him start until they are certain he IS ready. That excludes JG injury of course, which would maybe throw TRey into the arena, unless they really didn't think he was ready and started Rosen. ( I know, unlikely)…my hesitation is if we end up with a Mahomes talent QB by waiting until he is really ready for the BIGS, vs letting him start ASAP and getting a diminished , or lesser QB result.

My concern is as posted before, faster, meaner, smarter, Bigger, better….it is hard to imagine just HOW much the NFL is over CFB, but it is an immense step for a kid with 4 yrs high school and one yr small college ball. Why force him to play until he really is ready….i hope not because we took him #3 pick and gave up 2 firsts for him.

My hope is when he is ready he gets to start. And maybe that happens by game 1 and maybe it doesnt happen at all his yr. Why push it if he is learning without the worry inexperience could lead to injury. Trey is a big kid. But the NFL is a heckuva lot bigger…and faster… and stronger, meaner, smarter.

my point isn't about Mahomes. It is about WHAT IF Trey IS as good as Mahomes? It seems you are looking at it solely as "get him in as soon as possible because he can learn on the fly"…vs letting him get fully acclimated, learn the NFL speed, strength, smarts, etc, and THEN turn him loose.

Mahomes would have been Mahomes regardless of if he played yr 1 or yr 2…he's that talented. He had the drive to be great and he had a top end roster/coaching staff around him…..him sitting a year wasn't gonna change the outcome. Him being able to make off script plays allowed him to be successful while he figures out the nuances of playing within the pocket.

Again if teams really thought sitting a QB gives him his best opportunity to being successful, then not a single 1st rd QB would play yr 1.

You gotta stop with the "bigger, faster, meaner" stuff…there were plenty of big guys he played against, there are plenty of fast players in college. It's the mental stuff and every single rookie QB has to deal with that regardless. You don't get better at playing vs better players by NOT playing. Period.

if Trey is as good as Mahomes then he will have no issue beating Jimmy in TC….and no it's not learning on the fly, what most of you KEEP failing to grasp is he's been preparing like a pro for 8 months (longer than a NFL season). He's already revamped his mechanics, he's worked with NFL QBs during the past NFL season. He understands what goes into a work week. He's spent a f**k load of time looking at film. He's already dealt with protection calls, he's gotten half reads that he can then change based on the coverage pre-snap….college QBs don't do that as 19 year olds.

anything else he's gonna improve upon is gonna require live reps…that's what he lacks.

finally, I don't care what Mahomes did…not every player is the same. Josh Allen started 12 games yr1 and I'll bet money the Bills are happy the way it's turned out. Herbert wasn't supposed to touch the field and he turned into the OROY. Watson/Big Ben/Wilson/Murray/Burrow etc everyone situation is different, every player is different.

the moment Lance feels confident with the playbook and Kyle is good with his mechanics, he will start and there's not a damn thing Jimmy can do about it.

You got a young stud on a rookie contract you get him out there to learn, you're wasting time and he's gonna have bumps in the road whether it's in 21 or 22.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
"elite tools", "no apparent weaknesses"

These types of statements create false narratives. Let the kid show/play with a clean slate instead of creating expectations before even taking a snap

he cost 3 1sts and a 3rd theres no false narratives, there are expectations already set that the team put on him.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/148139-jerry-rice-discusses-49ers-situation-expectations-brandon-aiyuk/

"I don't know what the situation is going to be, how competitive it's going to be, or if they're going to let Trey Lance sit for a little while where he can gain all that knowledge and then get ready to take on that starting job."

NY, can you at least quit repeating over and over over and over and over that "Trey won't learn anything sitting on the bench" now and put that part to bed…

On when Trey starts…
I would think he will start when Kyle decides, not??
However, If they are winning games, even by a point or two, I really don't see a QB change to an unknown in the hopes that they beat a team by more points like you and a some others are insisting..
yes, if tthey are winning, but not by enough points for you all we should still switch QB's…???
yea that'd be genius coaching and not tear a locker room apart… lol

Or maybe some fans are super excited that we may finally have an elite QB on the team for the first time in twenty years. That makes it real easy for me to pull for the kid to start ASAP. Nobody is suggesting he start at the expense of the tam winning games.

"Elite"
treys already an elite QB!! Lol
ok

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/may

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
"elite tools", "no apparent weaknesses"

These types of statements create false narratives. Let the kid show/play with a clean slate instead of creating expectations before even taking a snap

he cost 3 1sts and a 3rd theres no false narratives, there are expectations already set that the team put on him.

There are false narratives, calling him elite and have no weaknesses is pretty extreme right now.

plus, he's the 3rd QB taken who was a reach. I guess you will be the first to bash if he doesn't perform to expectations right?