Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
"elite tools", "no apparent weaknesses"

These types of statements create false narratives. Let the kid show/play with a clean slate instead of creating expectations before even taking a snap

he cost 3 1sts and a 3rd theres no false narratives, there are expectations already set that the team put on him.

There are false narratives, calling him elite and have no weaknesses is pretty extreme right now.

plus, he's the 3rd QB taken who was a reach. I guess you will be the first to bash if he doesn't perform to expectations right?

Sounds like you already got that covered

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/148139-jerry-rice-discusses-49ers-situation-expectations-brandon-aiyuk/

"I don't know what the situation is going to be, how competitive it's going to be, or if they're going to let Trey Lance sit for a little while where he can gain all that knowledge and then get ready to take on that starting job."

NY, can you at least quit repeating over and over over and over and over that "Trey won't learn anything sitting on the bench" now and put that part to bed…

On when Trey starts…
I would think he will start when Kyle decides, not??
However, If they are winning games, even by a point or two, I really don't see a QB change to an unknown in the hopes that they beat a team by more points like you and a some others are insisting..
yes, if tthey are winning, but not by enough points for you all we should still switch QB's…???
yea that'd be genius coaching and not tear a locker room apart… lol

Or maybe some fans are super excited that we may finally have an elite QB on the team for the first time in twenty years. That makes it real easy for me to pull for the kid to start ASAP. Nobody is suggesting he start at the expense of the tam winning games.

"Elite"
treys already an elite QB!! Lol
ok

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Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
"elite tools", "no apparent weaknesses"

These types of statements create false narratives. Let the kid show/play with a clean slate instead of creating expectations before even taking a snap

he cost 3 1sts and a 3rd theres no false narratives, there are expectations already set that the team put on him.

There are false narratives, calling him elite and have no weaknesses is pretty extreme right now.

plus, he's the 3rd QB taken who was a reach. I guess you will be the first to bash if he doesn't perform to expectations right?

Sounds like you already got that covered

Actually I don't. Just gonna watch and hope for the best

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by elguapo:
He will get that experience but to say that is the only way to improve is false. These same people probably were the same ones denying that Mahomes or Aaron Rodgers improved with the time they spent on the bench It is possible to work out some mechanics flaws and just flaws in your game without actually playing.

Rogers had to completely change his mechanics, go look at him in Cal vs now. That was part of the reason he dropped. OH and they had Brett Favre.

Same with Mahomes overall...his footwork was awful. He ran an air raid offense and played backyard football at Texas Tech, also anyone thinking Mahomes wouldn't be Mahomes now, if he started YR1 is only fooling themselves. Lance has much better mechanics then both coming out of college and he ran damn near the same concepts that Kyle runs here. There's a reason why people are saying he's much more pro-ready, then his passing attempts show. He was doing stuff at the LOS pre-snap that not a lot of college QBs do. Having had calls pre-snap then adjusting the play based on the look. Taking snaps under center. Full progressions etc.

No one is saying he won't work on some things, BUT he will improve MUCH more if he actually plays football...where a player gets drafted determines how a player turns out way more than if they sit for a yr. IMO he will play at some point this yr.

"It's hard to get better at football...by not playing football" Kyle Shanahan

Bingo.

He'd learn so much more by playing. He has been sitting preparing for his NFL career and again - Lance needs to start as soon as he's ready - that'll be the best thing for Niners.

Also - FO and Kyle's actions say - they're pretty much done with Jimmy. They wanted Stafford (which basically means if they had him - they'd have traded Jimmy) - they wanted Rodgers (same thing) - they even wanted Andy Dalton to be the mentor instead of Jimmy - and reports suggest - they wanted a 1st rd pick for him and may have taken less.

Jimmy is on the roster bc 49ers failed to execute those moves. I don't know how Kyle can have confidence in Jimmy. It's possible some QB goes down in TC and a team gets desperate and offers a 2nd round pick. He'd be gone quickly and 49ers will agree to pay some of his salary too.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
The 49ers know Jimmy can go out anytime.. but you want to seriously think Kyle will just have Lance sit there watching in between weeks when Lance can be called on during the game at anytime. Seriouly doubt that.

I hope Lance is a super star before week 1, but Jimmy should get the start until he proves he can't perform. if not starting him, then there is no reason for Jimmy to be here

He will have whomever is the starter take the majority of first team snaps. It's not gonna be Jimmy you get half Lance you get half, those reps are massively important week to week as far as game planning goes.

you think Mullens split reps with Jimmy all the time, knowing that Jimmy could get hurt at any point? The moment they start spiting practice reps that will be the sign that Jimmy is on his way to the butt bench.

Jimmy shouldn't get anything, he will have to be marginally better than Lance…we will see, TC will tell us more.

This is different than Jimmy/Mullens/Beathard. Mully and Beath are cemented back ups. Lance is not.

Probably not going to happen, but i hope we can get the best of both worlds with winning enough where Lance can close out the game with needed reps

Yeah that was a horrible comparison I guess trying to prove an opinion has gone so far it's actually coming off the rails

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
^^^ i stand by my post above, quoted on previous page by NY, post #7050. Additionally , as talented as Trey is, is he as talented at Mahomes? Much as i like Trey, Mahomes is the best talent in the NFL. And credit to Andy Reid for bringing him along gradually and not starting him right off the bat, even if he was a lot more talented than Alex.. But Alex Smith, like JimmyG, could handle the O extremely well, and not putting in a kid fresh out of college , even tho a brilliant talent, was a stroke of both genius and patience. I would hope things work out as well for us as it did for Mahomes.

For those of you who haven't seen Mahomes either in Hi school or in college, you would be amazed at just how spectacular he was. We can all hope that Trey is a mirror image, but two of them coming out only 4 yrs apart? Two of the very best? Mm.mmmm…odds are probably against that. It Trey is that good, then we got lucky …just as long as we don't hasten his entry into the NFL. The Reid/Mahomes lesson, is one nobody should forget. I couldn't believe it when Mahomes didn't start. In retrospect, the old sage, the Walrus, knew exactly what he had and what to do with it. I hope we are that wise.

Naturally, in case of injury to JG, then Trey would probably be forced to start. What i don't get is those Trey fans who completely disregard the lesson that Reid/Mahomes taught us. Suppose for a moment , altho unlikely, that Trey is another Mahomes. The question then is would you rather play him now even when he has a massive amount to learn about NFL being FASTER, SMARTER, MEANER, STRONGER…and he has a good year…or would you rather have him learn about the NFL with a clipboard and earphones, learning Kyle's system down pat, and when he starts next yr he is not good but the BEST? Say, another Mahomes, only 5 yrs younger? That's what I'm hoping for , that Trey has the time to acclimate, learn on the sidelines without getting beaten up, and ready to take the NFL by storm….next yr when he could be one of the best ever.

If he really is as good as some think he is, it is curious that those all-Trey-all-the-time fans, aren't thinking about how the best NFL QB in Decades (Mahomes) got that way . And it wasn't by rushing to getting him in. It was by patience, and learning the mental game with clipboard and earphones. If JG goes bottoms up, or injured, then that is all bye the bye. But if JG stays healthy, drives the team well, then… is it worth while reconsidering do we use Trey now when he is good…or wait a yr and potentially have the best ever?

Stop it with that reasonable post doc!!! You don't know that, Mahomes would of done just as well if not better by not sitting

i think some people are confusing Mahomes being elite no matter what (which was bound to happen) to Mahomes having some lumps if he would of started from day 1 which he may not of had starting further down the line. I think the same can be said of Trey. Trey may be a little more pro ready but he still has/had some accuracy issues. This is well documented. You can certainly avoid some issues the longer you're working on them so when you finally are thrown into a game those issues wether it be mechanics, player familiarity or mastering an offense like Shanahans (which is a hard one) won't be issues any longer. Not a difficult concept to grasp

Since some people love throwing out Shanahan quotes here's another one where Shanahan stated that it would be difficult for Lance, or any inexperienced passer, to beat out Garoppolo.

"I thought Jimmy's had as good of an OTAs as he's had since he's been here," Shanahan said last month, per Kirk Larrabee. "He's very on point from a mental and physical standpoint. I know Trey's really going to have to be on it to come in and seriously push him."

Trey will be our starter next year for sure and probably closer to the end of the season before the playoffs bc imo he will be ready to roll by then

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
There are false narratives, calling him elite and have no weaknesses is pretty extreme right now.

plus, he's the 3rd QB taken who was a reach. I guess you will be the first to bash if he doesn't perform to expectations right?

Calling him a reach is a subjective take one might call it a false narrative all the same

Is that what I do in here… Bash on players that don't meet expectations?? I might have my opinions on Jimmy, but I wouldn't say I bash on players overall.

The team already put some pretty high expectations on him based on what they did to get him, regardless of what you think that's the truth of it.

Originally posted by elguapo:
Yeah that was a horrible comparison I guess trying to prove an opinion has gone so far it's actually coming off the rails

how about you listen to your own takes before saying I'm coming off the rails…the starter will get the majority of the 1st team reps. That's a fact…and if they are splitting them, well that means Lance will be the starter very soon.

when he says Jimmy can go out at anytime because of injury, how's that any different then having Nick ready to go? They clearly had enough faith in Nick as a backup on a SB roster, so he should have been getting starting reps "just in case" OR maybe that's just not how it works in the NFL.

Originally posted by 4ML:
Bingo.

He'd learn so much more by playing. He has been sitting preparing for his NFL career and again - Lance needs to start as soon as he's ready - that'll be the best thing for Niners.

Also - FO and Kyle's actions say - they're pretty much done with Jimmy. They wanted Stafford (which basically means if they had him - they'd have traded Jimmy) - they wanted Rodgers (same thing) - they even wanted Andy Dalton to be the mentor instead of Jimmy - and reports suggest - they wanted a 1st rd pick for him and may have taken less.

Jimmy is on the roster bc 49ers failed to execute those moves. I don't know how Kyle can have confidence in Jimmy. It's possible some QB goes down in TC and a team gets desperate and offers a 2nd round pick. He'd be gone quickly and 49ers will agree to pay some of his salary too.

Yeah I mean I don't think Jimmy is junk or anything…I put him on the same page as Goff (but can't stay healthy). Goff has a better arm IMO.

kyle clearly wanted an upgrade, TC will clear stuff up & we all know Jimmy isn't great at practicing.

we will see, won't be shocked if JG is the week 1 starter but after that he's gonna have to play lights out and I don't see that happening. I'll root for whomever is playing end of the day.

Originally posted by elguapo:
Stop it with that reasonable post doc!!! You don't know that, Mahomes would of done just as well if not better by not sitting

i think some people are confusing Mahomes being elite no matter what (which was bound to happen) to Mahomes having some lumps if he would of started from day 1 which he may not of had starting further down the line. I think the same can be said of Trey. Trey may be a little more pro ready but he still has/had some accuracy issues. This is well documented. You can certainly avoid some issues the longer you're working on them so when you finally are thrown into a game those issues wether it be mechanics, player familiarity or mastering an offense like Shanahans (which is a hard one) won't be issues any longer. Not a difficult concept to grasp

Since some people love throwing out Shanahan quotes here's another one where Shanahan stated that it would be difficult for Lance, or any inexperienced passer, to beat out Garoppolo.

"I thought Jimmy's had as good of an OTAs as he's had since he's been here," Shanahan said last month, per Kirk Larrabee. "He's very on point from a mental and physical standpoint. I know Trey's really going to have to be on it to come in and seriously push him."

Trey will be our starter next year for sure and probably closer to the end of the season before the playoffs bc imo he will be ready to roll by then

Why does everything get compared to Mahomes anyway? Go watch his first yr in the league, and tell me what exactly he learned or did that he wouldn't have done his rookie YR? s**t ton of off script/extending plays, first read throws, a ton of plays of elite receivers getting open or making great catches, elite arm strength that made up for being a little late on a read etc…what in the world did he learn in order to make those plays? Not much imo. He said he couldn't read coverages pre-snap when he went on to win MVP. Talent is talent and he was put on a super bowl quality squad with a top 5 play-caller.

accuracy issues are mechanical issues…which from what we've seen he's worked on a lot during his lost season. Also I think his accuracy stuff is a bit overblown, dude competed 68% of his balls. That's another aspect that improves with more snaps.

No one should expect him to master Kyle's offense this yr or next yr…kyle will run a system that fits his skill set and develop him as the seasons go. He did the same thing with Jimmy (still does).

That's such a misleading quote, This is Jimmy's what 2nd OTAs lol? Show me a quote of any coach saying something bad about a player in OTAs….that's the definition of coaches speak. Lance will be the starter the moment he looks confident running the scheme Kyle wants to run with him right now and there's not much Jimmy can do about it.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
^^^ i stand by my post above, quoted on previous page by NY, post #7050. Additionally , as talented as Trey is, is he as talented at Mahomes? Much as i like Trey, Mahomes is the best talent in the NFL. And credit to Andy Reid for bringing him along gradually and not starting him right off the bat, even if he was a lot more talented than Alex.. But Alex Smith, like JimmyG, could handle the O extremely well, and not putting in a kid fresh out of college , even tho a brilliant talent, was a stroke of both genius and patience. I would hope things work out as well for us as it did for Mahomes.

For those of you who haven't seen Mahomes either in Hi school or in college, you would be amazed at just how spectacular he was. We can all hope that Trey is a mirror image, but two of them coming out only 4 yrs apart? Two of the very best? Mm.mmmm…odds are probably against that. It Trey is that good, then we got lucky …just as long as we don't hasten his entry into the NFL. The Reid/Mahomes lesson, is one nobody should forget. I couldn't believe it when Mahomes didn't start. In retrospect, the old sage, the Walrus, knew exactly what he had and what to do with it. I hope we are that wise.

Naturally, in case of injury to JG, then Trey would probably be forced to start. What i don't get is those Trey fans who completely disregard the lesson that Reid/Mahomes taught us. Suppose for a moment , altho unlikely, that Trey is another Mahomes. The question then is would you rather play him now even when he has a massive amount to learn about NFL being FASTER, SMARTER, MEANER, STRONGER…and he has a good year…or would you rather have him learn about the NFL with a clipboard and earphones, learning Kyle's system down pat, and when he starts next yr he is not good but the BEST? Say, another Mahomes, only 5 yrs younger? That's what I'm hoping for , that Trey has the time to acclimate, learn on the sidelines without getting beaten up, and ready to take the NFL by storm….next yr when he could be one of the best ever.

If he really is as good as some think he is, it is curious that those all-Trey-all-the-time fans, aren't thinking about how the best NFL QB in Decades (Mahomes) got that way . And it wasn't by rushing to getting him in. It was by patience, and learning the mental game with clipboard and earphones. If JG goes bottoms up, or injured, then that is all bye the bye. But if JG stays healthy, drives the team well, then… is it worth while reconsidering do we use Trey now when he is good…or wait a yr and potentially have the best ever?

Stop it with that reasonable post doc!!! You don't know that, Mahomes would of done just as well if not better by not sitting

i think some people are confusing Mahomes being elite no matter what (which was bound to happen) to Mahomes having some lumps if he would of started from day 1 which he may not of had starting further down the line. I think the same can be said of Trey. Trey may be a little more pro ready but he still has/had some accuracy issues. This is well documented. You can certainly avoid some issues the longer you're working on them so when you finally are thrown into a game those issues wether it be mechanics, player familiarity or mastering an offense like Shanahans (which is a hard one) won't be issues any longer. Not a difficult concept to grasp

Since some people love throwing out Shanahan quotes here's another one where Shanahan stated that it would be difficult for Lance, or any inexperienced passer, to beat out Garoppolo.

"I thought Jimmy's had as good of an OTAs as he's had since he's been here," Shanahan said last month, per Kirk Larrabee. "He's very on point from a mental and physical standpoint. I know Trey's really going to have to be on it to come in and seriously push him."

Trey will be our starter next year for sure and probably closer to the end of the season before the playoffs bc imo he will be ready to roll by then

Trey will be our starter this season for too many reasons to state. He's bigger, faster, stronger, and has a better arm than the statue with the 5 yard arm, the same guy who sat out the last 3 games last year after being cleared to play, really pissing Kyle off. Anyone that believes Kyle will start him over his DREAM QB who runs a 4.4 at 6'4", 226, is clearly no football wizard.

Originally posted by frenchtoast:
Trey will be our starter this season for too many reasons to state. He's bigger, faster, stronger, and has a better arm than the statue with the 5 yard arm, the same guy who sat out the last 3 games last year after being cleared to play, really pissing Kyle off. Anyone that believes Kyle will start him over his DREAM QB who runs a 4.4 at 6'4", 226, is clearly no football wizard.

From 12/14/2020:

"I think it's up in the air. I'm waiting to hear from the doctors. When you have the high-ankle sprain that he had, that was worse than everyone else's and it was so close to surgery, the only way we're going to put him back out there is if it's completely healed and he's not at risk of having surgery on it. I don't want to put him out there for the last game or the last two games for him to have a chance to reinjure it and have surgery in the offseason. Until the doctors tell me there's no chance of that, and that has to do with Jimmy pushing himself like he has been doing, having no soreness and things like that, that's when we'll do it. That's why it is a week-to-week thing right now. We've gotten over the hump, but it is a risk, and we're not going to do it if there's a risk. We feel talking to Jimmy and the doctors there's a risk this week, so we'll put it off another week, see how it goes. He's rehabbing as hard as anyone can. We'll reevaluate it next Monday."

Originally posted by frenchtoast:
Trey will be our starter this season for too many reasons to state. He's bigger, faster, stronger, and has a better arm than the statue with the 5 yard arm, the same guy who sat out the last 3 games last year after being cleared to play, really pissing Kyle off. Anyone that believes Kyle will start him over his DREAM QB who runs a 4.4 at 6'4", 226, is clearly no football wizard.

I think if we had a Brett Favre type of QB ahead of Lance then yeah duh he's starting lol...Jimmy isn't some elite QB though. I keep using the example with LA, if they kept Goff and moved up for Lance would they start Goff all year? I highly doubt it. Do we think Andy Dalton will be starting all year in Chicago? Hell even Jackson started 7 games his rookie yr (went 6-1) and IMO he was more raw as a passer then Lance.

Unless he's completely lost in TC & his mechanics aren't there yet, he will get his shot sooner than later...it's what happens in the NFL for 1st rd QBs. I think there was 3 QBs draft in the 1st rd that didn't start at some point their rookie yr since 2010 (you can go further back than that as well).

So it's pretty much confirmed we're going to win the SB with Lance.

I have scientific proof and facts behind this.

Fact 1:


For the visually impaired - that says Family on his throwing arm.

Fact 2 + Science:


Reinforced with Fact 3 + more science:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by frenchtoast:
Trey will be our starter this season for too many reasons to state. He's bigger, faster, stronger, and has a better arm than the statue with the 5 yard arm, the same guy who sat out the last 3 games last year after being cleared to play, really pissing Kyle off. Anyone that believes Kyle will start him over his DREAM QB who runs a 4.4 at 6'4", 226, is clearly no football wizard.

I think if we had a Brett Favre type of QB ahead of Lance then yeah duh he's starting lol...Jimmy isn't some elite QB though. I keep using the example with LA, if they kept Goff and moved up for Lance would they start Goff all year? I highly doubt it. Do we think Andy Dalton will be starting all year in Chicago? Hell even Jackson started 7 games his rookie yr (went 6-1) and IMO he was more raw as a passer then Lance.

Unless he's completely lost in TC & his mechanics aren't there yet, he will get his shot sooner than later...it's what happens in the NFL for 1st rd QBs. I think there was 3 QBs draft in the 1st rd that didn't start at some point their rookie yr since 2010 (you can go further back than that as well).

At some point is the key word

I want Jimmy G to start the year and give Lance more and more playing time throughout the year and start Lance at teh end of the year depending what our record is and how Jimmy is playing