Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Missing my point. That is, WHAT IF? What if Trey IS that good (as Mahomes) but isn't ready for the big leagues yet?. Frankly i don't see Kyle nor JL letting him start until they are certain he IS ready. That excludes JG injury of course, which would maybe throw TRey into the arena, unless they really didn't think he was ready and started Rosen. ( I know, unlikely)…my hesitation is if we end up with a Mahomes talent QB by waiting until he is really ready for the BIGS, vs letting him start ASAP and getting a diminished , or lesser QB result.
My concern is as posted before, faster, meaner, smarter, Bigger, better….it is hard to imagine just HOW much the NFL is over CFB, but it is an immense step for a kid with 4 yrs high school and one yr small college ball. Why force him to play until he really is ready….i hope not because we took him #3 pick and gave up 2 firsts for him.
My hope is when he is ready he gets to start. And maybe that happens by game 1 and maybe it doesnt happen at all his yr. Why push it if he is learning without the worry inexperience could lead to injury. Trey is a big kid. But the NFL is a heckuva lot bigger…and faster… and stronger, meaner, smarter.
my point isn't about Mahomes. It is about WHAT IF Trey IS as good as Mahomes? It seems you are looking at it solely as "get him in as soon as possible because he can learn on the fly"…vs letting him get fully acclimated, learn the NFL speed, strength, smarts, etc, and THEN turn him loose.
Mahomes would have been Mahomes regardless of if he played yr 1 or yr 2…he's that talented. He had the drive to be great and he had a top end roster/coaching staff around him…..him sitting a year wasn't gonna change the outcome. Him being able to make off script plays allowed him to be successful while he figures out the nuances of playing within the pocket.
Again if teams really thought sitting a QB gives him his best opportunity to being successful, then not a single 1st rd QB would play yr 1.
You gotta stop with the "bigger, faster, meaner" stuff…there were plenty of big guys he played against, there are plenty of fast players in college. It's the mental stuff and every single rookie QB has to deal with that regardless. You don't get better at playing vs better players by NOT playing. Period.
if Trey is as good as Mahomes then he will have no issue beating Jimmy in TC….and no it's not learning on the fly, what most of you KEEP failing to grasp is he's been preparing like a pro for 8 months (longer than a NFL season). He's already revamped his mechanics, he's worked with NFL QBs during the past NFL season. He understands what goes into a work week. He's spent a f**k load of time looking at film. He's already dealt with protection calls, he's gotten half reads that he can then change based on the coverage pre-snap….college QBs don't do that as 19 year olds.
anything else he's gonna improve upon is gonna require live reps…that's what he lacks.
finally, I don't care what Mahomes did…not every player is the same. Josh Allen started 12 games yr1 and I'll bet money the Bills are happy the way it's turned out. Herbert wasn't supposed to touch the field and he turned into the OROY. Watson/Big Ben/Wilson/Murray/Burrow etc everyone situation is different, every player is different.
the moment Lance feels confident with the playbook and Kyle is good with his mechanics, he will start and there's not a damn thing Jimmy can do about it.
You got a young stud on a rookie contract you get him out there to learn, you're wasting time and he's gonna have bumps in the road whether it's in 21 or 22.
NY ,rather than saying we'll just have to agree to disagree, the answer will become obvious once the season gets going. If jimmy kicks it into high gear and puts up all Ws, it is a bit hard to imagine Trey coming in while the Ws are piling up. If jimmy puts up good stats while Ws are mounting, one would think it unlikely that kyle changes horses in midstream. If JG's play is spotty at times, or worse, injury, i agree, we will see Trey.
Summary for me is , JG keeps playing if he continues Ws and stats are good. INJURY, the very reason we have Trey in the first place , is a different matter entirely and what kyle does there is change horses.
Other alternative IMO, is if Trey just overwhelms JG in TC, PS, and starts…and that i have a hard time imagining, assuming JG is not injured. I would love to see one full Season of JG with an OL that can protect him, and Trey as an equally good , if not better backup. The injury thing speaks for itself.
