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tankle104
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Originally posted by Furlow:
Best throw of the game here. As stated previously though, first read and perfect protection. When conditions are ideal he does well.
He got better as the drives went on. Idk if it's he calmed down or got a little "eff it" in his system, but he seemed to let loose a little more. Hopefully he goes into next game doing that from the start.
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Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by thl408:
There's an element of cleverness that is missing from Lance's game and jonnydel pointed it out well in his video breakdown - eye manipulation versus zone coverage. I don't know at what point a QB starts doing this but it must be done at the NFL level. Trust the pre snap read and while dropping back look somewhere else to open the passing lane to the route most likely to be open versus that coverage.
You know that comment Shanahan always makes about players he's got full confidence in? The "the game isn't too big for him" comment.
It feels like the game--at least at this point in his career-is too big for Trey.
Yep. The game is moving way too fast for Trey.
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Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by thl408:
There's an element of cleverness that is missing from Lance's game and jonnydel pointed it out well in his video breakdown - eye manipulation versus zone coverage. I don't know at what point a QB starts doing this but it must be done at the NFL level. Trust the pre snap read and while dropping back look somewhere else to open the passing lane to the route most likely to be open versus that coverage.
You know that comment Shanahan always makes about players he's got full confidence in? The "the game isn't too big for him" comment.
It feels like the game--at least at this point in his career-is too big for Trey.
Yep. The game is moving way too fast for Trey.
Seems that way to me too.
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Originally posted by Furlow:
Best throw of the game here. As stated previously though, first read and perfect protection. When conditions are ideal he does well.
As the game went on he started trusting what he was seeing more, which is a positive. The first 3 drives were really bad, he just refused to trust the play and what he was seeing.
The hope here is that it's still some rust, although he's been practicing a lot + the joint practices. He's now in year 3 of this offense...He just didn't look in control there at all.
When he started looking more comfortable he looked pretty good though. I can definitely tell he's worked a lot on his mechanics this off-season, made handful of different throws and not just a fastball anymore.
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Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by thl408:
There's an element of cleverness that is missing from Lance's game and jonnydel pointed it out well in his video breakdown - eye manipulation versus zone coverage. I don't know at what point a QB starts doing this but it must be done at the NFL level. Trust the pre snap read and while dropping back look somewhere else to open the passing lane to the route most likely to be open versus that coverage.
You know that comment Shanahan always makes about players he's got full confidence in? The "the game isn't too big for him" comment.
It feels like the game--at least at this point in his career-is too big for Trey.
Yep. The game is moving way too fast for Trey.
Seems that way to me too.
That's is biggest problem. It's not his arm talent. He just hasn't played enough to be able to ee the field quickly. I heard an ex player yesterday say that in all of Trey's starts from high school through his time in the NFL he has fewer pass attempts than Geno Smith had just las season. If that's true, is it any surprise that he looks like he does when he sees actual game action.
Every rookie that comes into the NFL says one thing about the difference from college to pro. The speed of the game. Trey barely even had any college experience and then hasn't played much in 3 years. The game speed must look twice as fast to him compared to what it does for Brock or any other college QB that had a couple seasons under his belt.
I don't know if he'll ever be able to get enough playing time so the game slows down for him. As long as Brock plays well, Trey is on the bench. Practice reps aren't going to help a lot.
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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Dshearn:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
When I went back and watched, yes while it wasn't as bad as my emotions told me, it was still REALLY bad IMO.
There could be reasons for that that I can admit I wasn't giving enough consideration to, but that said, I've got to see him do much better than this by the end of preseason at minimum. Ideally bouncing back asap on Saturday.
There was errors that were not on Trey, mistakes were made in routs....almost certainly....
Having said that... there was more then 3 bad throws...my 8 am brain just woke up brain can think of at least 4. The overthrow on check down, the one handed catch in the middle of the field, and the two near INT.
Those are on top of his timing issues, missed plays and likely confusion with coverage.
We can give him credit for his three "high level completions", but 2 of them are against a prevent defense with less then 30 seconds before half time needing to drive the length of the field.....
Nah, that game was bad.... Trey will live to fight another day. but he has to learn from that game and push forward.
To me the biggest issue is he still has almost a complete lack of anticipation, and really does not progress well down the passing chart.
Some posters have been upset that Trey never got a shot this year to compete for QB1.....yeah....if this game is indicative of what the 49ers have seen in practice.... I get it.... I get why he is not competing for QB1.
This game Trey had a hard time processing down the passing chart. He is slow to do it, and has no anticipation of where the defender will be in relation to his targets. You contrast that with Brock finding Kittle in the playoffs making up his own routs and being somewhat open somewhere he is not suppose to be and hitting him for a crucial chunk play....it does look like these two have completely different abilities to see what is taking place in front of them.
There's an element of cleverness that is missing from Lance's game and jonnydel pointed it out well in his video breakdown - eye manipulation versus zone coverage. I don't know at what point a QB starts doing this but it must be done at the NFL level. Trust the pre snap read and while dropping back look somewhere else to open the passing lane to the route most likely to be open versus that coverage.
Yeah man..... I watched that a few mins ago....and the other guy that gets posted here a lot......
Trey was missing wide open dudes in that game, who had their helmets turned back looking for the football. At least in that game, Trey had a bigger problem then trying to manipulate the space or alter the closing time of a defender. He had dudes open, and didn't throw the football.
You take out the two deep strikes against the prevent defense where they gave up the middle of the field to protect the sidelines...and there is not a lot of "ok" left from that performance.
I have to hand it to Trey if he pulls out of this week and bounces back next week. Tons of press talking about, or exposing his short comings (depending how accurate you believe that it is) then a pretty shaky performance in practice ..... The dude has to feel pressure.
Hell I feel defeated and I am not even a Trey guy, I just like the dude and want him to do well.
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Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Best throw of the game here. As stated previously though, first read and perfect protection. When conditions are ideal he does well.
He got better as the drives went on. Idk if it's he calmed down or got a little "eff it" in his system, but he seemed to let loose a little more. Hopefully he goes into next game doing that from the start.
For sure looked hesitant and then became better as the game went on. I feel like that's been true during camp as well.
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For all the nice things Kyle has to say about Garoppolo, he was tired of him folding like a cheap suit every time it got to crunch time late in big games where there is no tomorrow. He was determined to move on. Due to a crazy amount of injuries, they found themselves drafting at number 12. They're too good to ever think they'd be that high again, so they decided this was the time to take a shot at quarterback. Twelve wasn't going to do it, and knowing you Must have a quarterback, they went all in and moved up. Trey had more to show physically than Mac, so they looked for signs his decision makeing was also good in college, and stated he was the better mentally also between the two of them. The problem here is that just because you are serviceable at checkers, which is college defenses, that does not mean they can make you a world beater at chess. Did they think it was a gamble? Of course they did. But they were desperate to move on from Jimmy, so they took their shot.
They knew they couldn't put a lot on Trey's shoulders his first year without ruining him, so they just tried to insert him in spot situations. That was ok, but since he wasn't very far along, they tried to use his legs. But, of course, those damn NFL defenses changed what they did accordingly when he came in. Well, that didn't work. OK, wait until next year, when he can get his second off season work.
That didn't go too well. Uh Oh. Now we got some serious doubts creeping in. Well, no option now but to see if he can play his way out of it. Start him in Chicago against a very weak team, and he $hits the bed. Yeah, I know, it rained. Whatever. If it was baseball, they'd have gone home. It's football, and you've still got to get it done. Next game, they know he still can't get it done in the air, so while he's still learning that, our only chance to win the game, and we still need to win the game, is to run him. Snap goes his ankle. Crap. Back to Jimmy, even if they think he can't win the big one in the playoffs. Snap goes his foot. Who's surprised. Now were screwd. Let's call Rivers and see if he'll come bail us out. Oh Wait, this guy the scouts were so high on weren't wrong. Cool.
After two full years, we now see Trey just doesn't have a quick enough mind to keep up with Kyle and his offense. That's not something we can change enough. What do we do. I know, let's have John publically announce that our other guy is "the leader in the clubhouse". That will tell the whole league that we're done with Trey, and you may call and negotiate. .......... OK, perhaps you don't have my number. Here it is......... You can call me, I'm willing to talk.......... OK, I get it. We're just going to have to give Trey some open plays in preseason, so everybody can see his value. There he is Trey, throw it now. You're looking right at it. Ok, I get it, you've got an even bigger opening in the second window. You've got this. Trey. Trey? Well, crap, just take the damn check down and salvage something. The second row? Come On Man.
Welp, we knew it was a gamble, and we lost. Eyes Front! Let's move on. We knew this was going to happen. That's why we brought in Darnold and Allen. Maybe we can get a bottom draft pick for him and at least save some money. We need everyting we can get to keep players that play, like Bosa and Aiyuk. Still hoping for a mid or low round pick. If not, we're just going to have to cut him before his salary becomes guaranteed week one.
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And what a beautiful shot that is of Brock holding up that huge Lombardi Trophy, almost bigger than him, with that boyish grin of his !
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Best throw of the game here. As stated previously though, first read and perfect protection. When conditions are ideal he does well.
He got better as the drives went on. Idk if it's he calmed down or got a little "eff it" in his system, but he seemed to let loose a little more. Hopefully he goes into next game doing that from the start.
For sure looked hesitant and then became better as the game went on. I feel like that's been true during camp as well.
Trey has never come off to me as a "gun slinger", per say. Even though he has the physical tools for it.
But he seemed more timid than before, I wonder if it has to do with his first live action since his injury. I think it's pretty normal for there to be a period of getting re acclimated to it all.
ive been in car accidents before and I was a little skittish at first (like I'd reach for the brake even if I was in the passenger seat lmao - it wasn't something I realized I was doing until it happened) just was an unconscious reaction. Took driving for a few days before it went back to normal.
i just hope he comes out more comfortable this next game, he needs to. Even more so for his future value if he ends up wanting to be traded or something - to show off the work he's put in this season.
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here's a question...was Trey's zero interception 2019 season at NDSU related to being hesitant to throw into small windows?
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Originally posted by boast:
here's a question...was Trey's zero interception 2019 season at NDSU related to being hesitant to throw into small windows?
He rarely threw into small windows. Also, I remember counting 2 or 3 dropped INTs, so he wasn't perfect.
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Originally posted by boast:
here's a question...was Trey's zero interception 2019 season at NDSU related to being hesitant to throw into small windows?
Only thing I can recall was that in the videos of his highlights, guys seemed to be wide open a lot. Not a knock on him, but that's what I remember
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tankle104
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Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by boast:
here's a question...was Trey's zero interception 2019 season at NDSU related to being hesitant to throw into small windows?
He rarely threw into small windows. Also, I remember counting 2 or 3 dropped INTs, so he wasn't perfect.
Yeah, nearly all of his throws were about wide open as you can get.
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i wonder how true this is. That was my draft crush 😭
