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Originally posted by tankle104:
https://youtu.be/godmcm0ZrM4
John middlekauf on the QB2 battle here - talks about Darnold signing here and all that. Talks about how he was at camp last year and how Trey looked, why they resigned Jimmy etc.
Originally posted by BOI49er:
For all the nice things Kyle has to say about Garoppolo, he was tired of him folding like a cheap suit every time it got to crunch time late in big games where there is no tomorrow. He was determined to move on. Due to a crazy amount of injuries, they found themselves drafting at number 12. They're too good to ever think they'd be that high again, so they decided this was the time to take a shot at quarterback. Twelve wasn't going to do it, and knowing you Must have a quarterback, they went all in and moved up. Trey had more to show physically than Mac, so they looked for signs his decision makeing was also good in college, and stated he was the better mentally also between the two of them. The problem here is that just because you are serviceable at checkers, which is college defenses, that does not mean they can make you a world beater at chess. Did they think it was a gamble? Of course they did. But they were desperate to move on from Jimmy, so they took their shot.
They knew they couldn't put a lot on Trey's shoulders his first year without ruining him, so they just tried to insert him in spot situations. That was ok, but since he wasn't very far along, they tried to use his legs. But, of course, those damn NFL defenses changed what they did accordingly when he came in. Well, that didn't work. OK, wait until next year, when he can get his second off season work.
That didn't go too well. Uh Oh. Now we got some serious doubts creeping in. Well, no option now but to see if he can play his way out of it. Start him in Chicago against a very weak team, and he $hits the bed. Yeah, I know, it rained. Whatever. If it was baseball, they'd have gone home. It's football, and you've still got to get it done. Next game, they know he still can't get it done in the air, so while he's still learning that, our only chance to win the game, and we still need to win the game, is to run him. Snap goes his ankle. Crap. Back to Jimmy, even if they think he can't win the big one in the playoffs. Snap goes his foot. Who's surprised. Now were screwd. Let's call Rivers and see if he'll come bail us out. Oh Wait, this guy the scouts were so high on weren't wrong. Cool.
After two full years, we now see Trey just doesn't have a quick enough mind to keep up with Kyle and his offense. That's not something we can change enough. What do we do. I know, let's have John publically announce that our other guy is "the leader in the clubhouse". That will tell the whole league that we're done with Trey, and you may call and negotiate. .......... OK, perhaps you don't have my number. Here it is......... You can call me, I'm willing to talk.......... OK, I get it. We're just going to have to give Trey some open plays in preseason, so everybody can see his value. There he is Trey, throw it now. You're looking right at it. Ok, I get it, you've got an even bigger opening in the second window. You've got this. Trey. Trey? Well, crap, just take the damn check down and salvage something. The second row? Come On Man.
Welp, we knew it was a gamble, and we lost. Eyes Front! Let's move on. We knew this was going to happen. That's why we brought in Darnold and Allen. Maybe we can get a bottom draft pick for him and at least save some money. We need everyting we can get to keep players that play, like Bosa and Aiyuk. Still hoping for a mid or low round pick. If not, we're just going to have to cut him before his salary becomes guaranteed week one.
........
And what a beautiful shot that is of Brock holding up that huge Lombardi Trophy, almost bigger than him, with that boyish grin of his !
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by NYniner85:He didn't win the QB1 role, it was handed over to him. In a fair competition he would likely be QB4 behind Purdy, Jimmy G, and Sudfeld.
Originally posted by miked1978:
A lot of people seem to take one extreme or the other with Trey. From Trey being a bust to the 49ers being racist.
There is no middle ground.
Trey needs reps and would have got them last year if not for injury. But somehow the 49ers are racists. let's trade three 1st round picks to stick it to the mixed guy. We will show him!!! 🤡
Trey has played 5 games. He is a bust!!! 🤡
It's just a unique circumstance that is hard to accept for some. Trey was given the keys to the franchise last year but got injured. Another guy came in and stepped up and led the team deep into the playoffs. That doesn't mean Trey is a bust. 1 preseason game doesn't mean Trey is a bust. Niners naming Brock as the starter doesn't mean they think Trey is a bust.
If Jimmy G never got injured last year and led the team to the playoffs? who do you think would be QB1 today? It would be Trey Lance.
Thank you! We've created a weird tribal thing among a group of fans that should be rooting for everyone on this team.
between Covid, injuries and the way the team wanted to develop him…he hasn't had the chance to play a ton of football. Having him here currently doesn't hurt the team unless the team can get some sort of legit value for him.
It's weird how he went from QB1, got 31 passing attempts to now he might be off the team. The media has crucified him over not much.
Right now in a fair competition, he would likely be QB4 behind Purdy, Darnold, and Allen.
Not much have change really.
Originally posted by tankle104:
Reports: #49ers GM John Lynch wanted to select current #Bears QB Justin Fields in the 2021 #NFL Draft, however San Francisco HC Kyle Shanahan insisted on current 49ers QB Trey Lance 👀 (per @NFLNotify)
— Woodward Sports Network (@woodwardsports) August 14, 2023
How much better do you believe Fields would look in SF compared to CHI? pic.twitter.com/9tjOxmma13
i wonder how true this is. That was my draft crush 😭
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by thl408:
There's an element of cleverness that is missing from Lance's game and jonnydel pointed it out well in his video breakdown - eye manipulation versus zone coverage. I don't know at what point a QB starts doing this but it must be done at the NFL level. Trust the pre snap read and while dropping back look somewhere else to open the passing lane to the route most likely to be open versus that coverage.
You know that comment Shanahan always makes about players he's got full confidence in? The "the game isn't too big for him" comment.
It feels like the game--at least at this point in his career-is too big for Trey.
Yep. The game is moving way too fast for Trey.
Seems that way to me too.
That's is biggest problem. It's not his arm talent. He just hasn't played enough to be able to ee the field quickly. I heard an ex player yesterday say that in all of Trey's starts from high school through his time in the NFL he has fewer pass attempts than Geno Smith had just las season. If that's true, is it any surprise that he looks like he does when he sees actual game action.
Every rookie that comes into the NFL says one thing about the difference from college to pro. The speed of the game. Trey barely even had any college experience and then hasn't played much in 3 years. The game speed must look twice as fast to him compared to what it does for Brock or any other college QB that had a couple seasons under his belt.
I don't know if he'll ever be able to get enough playing time so the game slows down for him. As long as Brock plays well, Trey is on the bench. Practice reps aren't going to help a lot.
Originally posted by miked1978:
This doenst make sense to me. You are saying Kyle tried to trade Jimmy G and cut Sudfield bc both were better than Trey? LOL c'mon
Originally posted by DRnSFw:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Reports: #49ers GM John Lynch wanted to select current #Bears QB Justin Fields in the 2021 #NFL Draft, however San Francisco HC Kyle Shanahan insisted on current 49ers QB Trey Lance 👀 (per @NFLNotify)
— Woodward Sports Network (@woodwardsports) August 14, 2023
How much better do you believe Fields would look in SF compared to CHI? pic.twitter.com/9tjOxmma13
i wonder how true this is. That was my draft crush 😭
IF this is true, then it's no wonder Lynch wants to move off of Trey, in all Lynch's interviews all you hear from is mouth is 13, 14 and 4 competing, I think KS has final say and is like f@ck you to lynch, cause there are some picks that lynch probably made that KS didn't like, Solomon Thomas at 3rd overall for example lol
Originally posted by JoseCortez:Originally posted by DRnSFw:Originally posted by tankle104:Reports: #49ers GM John Lynch wanted to select current #Bears QB Justin Fields in the 2021 #NFL Draft, however San Francisco HC Kyle Shanahan insisted on current 49ers QB Trey Lance 👀 (per @NFLNotify)
— Woodward Sports Network (@woodwardsports) August 14, 2023
How much better do you believe Fields would look in SF compared to CHI? pic.twitter.com/9tjOxmma13
i wonder how true this is. That was my draft crush 😭
IF this is true, then it's no wonder Lynch wants to move off of Trey, in all Lynch's interviews all you hear from is mouth is 13, 14 and 4 competing, I think KS has final say and is like f@ck you to lynch, cause there are some picks that lynch probably made that KS didn't like, Solomon Thomas at 3rd overall for example lol
Yes this story just conveniently comes out after Trey looks terrible and he's a hot media topic. Click bait nothing more. I hate this garbage reporting.
Originally posted by tankle104:
Reports: #49ers GM John Lynch wanted to select current #Bears QB Justin Fields in the 2021 #NFL Draft, however San Francisco HC Kyle Shanahan insisted on current 49ers QB Trey Lance 👀 (per @NFLNotify)
— Woodward Sports Network (@woodwardsports) August 14, 2023
How much better do you believe Fields would look in SF compared to CHI? pic.twitter.com/9tjOxmma13
i wonder how true this is. That was my draft crush 😭
Originally posted by father49er:
Originally posted by Shemp:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by NYniner85:He didn't win the QB1 role, it was handed over to him. In a fair competition he would likely be QB4 behind Purdy, Jimmy G, and Sudfeld.
Originally posted by miked1978:
A lot of people seem to take one extreme or the other with Trey. From Trey being a bust to the 49ers being racist.
There is no middle ground.
Trey needs reps and would have got them last year if not for injury. But somehow the 49ers are racists. let's trade three 1st round picks to stick it to the mixed guy. We will show him!!! 🤡
Trey has played 5 games. He is a bust!!! 🤡
It's just a unique circumstance that is hard to accept for some. Trey was given the keys to the franchise last year but got injured. Another guy came in and stepped up and led the team deep into the playoffs. That doesn't mean Trey is a bust. 1 preseason game doesn't mean Trey is a bust. Niners naming Brock as the starter doesn't mean they think Trey is a bust.
If Jimmy G never got injured last year and led the team to the playoffs? who do you think would be QB1 today? It would be Trey Lance.
Thank you! We've created a weird tribal thing among a group of fans that should be rooting for everyone on this team.
between Covid, injuries and the way the team wanted to develop him…he hasn't had the chance to play a ton of football. Having him here currently doesn't hurt the team unless the team can get some sort of legit value for him.
It's weird how he went from QB1, got 31 passing attempts to now he might be off the team. The media has crucified him over not much.
Right now in a fair competition, he would likely be QB4 behind Purdy, Darnold, and Allen.
Not much have change really.
This is true. Let's say Trey was actually the last pick of the draft he was in. He'd no longer be on the team. Does anyone disagree with this?
Totally agree
Originally posted by miked1978:
Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by NYniner85:He didn't win the QB1 role, it was handed over to him. In a fair competition he would likely be QB4 behind Purdy, Jimmy G, and Sudfeld.
Originally posted by miked1978:
A lot of people seem to take one extreme or the other with Trey. From Trey being a bust to the 49ers being racist.
There is no middle ground.
Trey needs reps and would have got them last year if not for injury. But somehow the 49ers are racists. let's trade three 1st round picks to stick it to the mixed guy. We will show him!!! 🤡
Trey has played 5 games. He is a bust!!! 🤡
It's just a unique circumstance that is hard to accept for some. Trey was given the keys to the franchise last year but got injured. Another guy came in and stepped up and led the team deep into the playoffs. That doesn't mean Trey is a bust. 1 preseason game doesn't mean Trey is a bust. Niners naming Brock as the starter doesn't mean they think Trey is a bust.
If Jimmy G never got injured last year and led the team to the playoffs? who do you think would be QB1 today? It would be Trey Lance.
Thank you! We've created a weird tribal thing among a group of fans that should be rooting for everyone on this team.
between Covid, injuries and the way the team wanted to develop him…he hasn't had the chance to play a ton of football. Having him here currently doesn't hurt the team unless the team can get some sort of legit value for him.
It's weird how he went from QB1, got 31 passing attempts to now he might be off the team. The media has crucified him over not much.
Right now in a fair competition, he would likely be QB4 behind Purdy, Darnold, and Allen.
Not much have change really.
This doenst make sense to me. You are saying Kyle tried to trade Jimmy G and cut Sudfield bc both were better than Trey? LOL c'mon
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by BOI49er:
For all the nice things Kyle has to say about Garoppolo, he was tired of him folding like a cheap suit every time it got to crunch time late in big games where there is no tomorrow. He was determined to move on. Due to a crazy amount of injuries, they found themselves drafting at number 12. They're too good to ever think they'd be that high again, so they decided this was the time to take a shot at quarterback. Twelve wasn't going to do it, and knowing you Must have a quarterback, they went all in and moved up. Trey had more to show physically than Mac, so they looked for signs his decision makeing was also good in college, and stated he was the better mentally also between the two of them. The problem here is that just because you are serviceable at checkers, which is college defenses, that does not mean they can make you a world beater at chess. Did they think it was a gamble? Of course they did. But they were desperate to move on from Jimmy, so they took their shot.
They knew they couldn't put a lot on Trey's shoulders his first year without ruining him, so they just tried to insert him in spot situations. That was ok, but since he wasn't very far along, they tried to use his legs. But, of course, those damn NFL defenses changed what they did accordingly when he came in. Well, that didn't work. OK, wait until next year, when he can get his second off season work.
That didn't go too well. Uh Oh. Now we got some serious doubts creeping in. Well, no option now but to see if he can play his way out of it. Start him in Chicago against a very weak team, and he $hits the bed. Yeah, I know, it rained. Whatever. If it was baseball, they'd have gone home. It's football, and you've still got to get it done. Next game, they know he still can't get it done in the air, so while he's still learning that, our only chance to win the game, and we still need to win the game, is to run him. Snap goes his ankle. Crap. Back to Jimmy, even if they think he can't win the big one in the playoffs. Snap goes his foot. Who's surprised. Now were screwd. Let's call Rivers and see if he'll come bail us out. Oh Wait, this guy the scouts were so high on weren't wrong. Cool.
After two full years, we now see Trey just doesn't have a quick enough mind to keep up with Kyle and his offense. That's not something we can change enough. What do we do. I know, let's have John publically announce that our other guy is "the leader in the clubhouse". That will tell the whole league that we're done with Trey, and you may call and negotiate. .......... OK, perhaps you don't have my number. Here it is......... You can call me, I'm willing to talk.......... OK, I get it. We're just going to have to give Trey some open plays in preseason, so everybody can see his value. There he is Trey, throw it now. You're looking right at it. Ok, I get it, you've got an even bigger opening in the second window. You've got this. Trey. Trey? Well, crap, just take the damn check down and salvage something. The second row? Come On Man.
Welp, we knew it was a gamble, and we lost. Eyes Front! Let's move on. We knew this was going to happen. That's why we brought in Darnold and Allen. Maybe we can get a bottom draft pick for him and at least save some money. We need everyting we can get to keep players that play, like Bosa and Aiyuk. Still hoping for a mid or low round pick. If not, we're just going to have to cut him before his salary becomes guaranteed week one.
........
And what a beautiful shot that is of Brock holding up that huge Lombardi Trophy, almost bigger than him, with that boyish grin of his !
I appreciate your write up
The thing that gets me is the notion that pick 12 wasn't gonna do it, and the club felt obligated to move to #3. Look at Aiden O'Connell he looked pretty good I thought, he was round 4, Howell is starting (round 5), BP was pick 262, Hurts was a round 2, DTR he was round 5.
I like how SF has QB proofed it, there is a lot of talent here almost too much to fail, so I think a lot of those guys would have fit well here, BP is looking tremendous.
Originally posted by 49erKing:
Did he legitimately beat out Brock for QB1 last year during TC? If so, that is saying something right, considering Brock went bonkers in the reg season and playoffs.