Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Yes that is exactly what I am saying. IMO, because of where Trey was being drafted, Kyle had no choice but to named Trey as the starter, and was just hoping Trey made the jump in his 2nd season, but he did not. That was why Kyle got Jimmy back, and Kyle was ready to benched Trey anytime. He didn't have to do that because Trey got injured. Nobody wants Trey to get hurt for sure, but I sensed relieved to the whole team including Kyle and teammates when Jimmy got on the field in week 2.

Are you seriously saying Trey is better than Jimmy G right now? I say no, not even close.

a lot of people on this board thought Trey was waaaaay better than Jimmy.

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by 49erKing:
Did he legitimately beat out Brock for QB1 last year during TC? If so, that is saying something right, considering Brock went bonkers in the reg season and playoffs.

In an interview with Tim Kawakami Kyle fairly strongly intimated that Purdy had outplayed Lance in practice last year but because they had invested so much in Lance draft wise and hadn't actually seen Purdy do what he was doing in practice in a game, and because they knew Lance needed the reps, they committed to him as the starter that year. In a "fair" competition he wouldn't have beaten put Jimmy, he wouldn't have beaten out Purdy, and he might not even have beaten out Sudfield. No rap against Lance. He didn't force the team to draft him where they did, and he came in with less experience at the position than ANY QB who has ever been drafted so high in the modern era.

Not sure what the next step will be. If I'm not mistaken Darnold and Allen are only here on one-year contracts, while Lance still has two years left on his deal. Assuming Brock stays healthy and continues on his trajectory from last year they are still going to need QB's next season. With as little as they are paying Brock, they could afford to carry Lance for another year if Darnold decides to go looking for another starting gig. Be interesting to see what happens.

Would have taken brass balls to start Mr Irrelevant as a rook over TL and JG lol, that would have been wild

Originally posted by Shemp:
The ONLY reason Trey is still on the team is because of all the wasted draft picks that were used to acquire him.

If we stayed put and drafted Trey at 12, he would still be on the team.

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by 49erKing:
Did he legitimately beat out Brock for QB1 last year during TC? If so, that is saying something right, considering Brock went bonkers in the reg season and playoffs.

In an interview with Tim Kawakami Kyle fairly strongly intimated that Purdy had outplayed Lance in practice last year but because they had invested so much in Lance draft wise and hadn't actually seen Purdy do what he was doing in practice in a game, and because they knew Lance needed the reps, they committed to him as the starter that year. In a "fair" competition he wouldn't have beaten put Jimmy, he wouldn't have beaten out Purdy, and he might not even have beaten out Sudfield. No rap against Lance. He didn't force the team to draft him where they did, and he came in with less experience at the position than ANY QB who has ever been drafted so high in the modern era.

Not sure what the next step will be. If I'm not mistaken Darnold and Allen are only here on one-year contracts, while Lance still has two years left on his deal. Assuming Brock stays healthy and continues on his trajectory from last year they are still going to need QB's next season. With as little as they are paying Brock, they could afford to carry Lance for another year if Darnold decides to go looking for another starting gig. Be interesting to see what happens.

Kyle called run QB plays until Lance got injured. check
Jimmy always gets injured. check
Now Kyle gets to play the QB he wanted to all along.

Originally posted by thl408:
But, but I heard Kyle wanted Mac and Lynch forced the drafting of Trey.

I say we start our own rumor. Something like Kyle wanted Mac, Lynch wanted Fields, Jed wanted Kellen Mond, but Mike McDaniel forced them to draft Trey. All we need is someone that paid $8 for the blue twitter checkmark to post it.

Perfect! McDaniel makes the ideal scapegoat being in Miami now.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Yes that is exactly what I am saying. IMO, because of where Trey was being drafted, Kyle had no choice but to named Trey as the starter, and was just hoping Trey made the jump in his 2nd season, but he did not. That was why Kyle got Jimmy back, and Kyle was ready to benched Trey anytime. He didn't have to do that because Trey got injured. Nobody wants Trey to get hurt for sure, but I sensed relieved to the whole team including Kyle and teammates when Jimmy got on the field in week 2.

Are you seriously saying Trey is better than Jimmy G right now? I say no, not even close.

a lot of people on this board thought Trey was waaaaay better than Jimmy.

Not only that....waaaay better than Jimmy in his rookie season.

That was ridiculous.

It wasn't all positive as the game went on. This was pretty ugly.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by miked1978:
A lot of people seem to take one extreme or the other with Trey. From Trey being a bust to the 49ers being racist.

There is no middle ground.

Trey needs reps and would have got them last year if not for injury. But somehow the 49ers are racists. let's trade three 1st round picks to stick it to the mixed guy. We will show him!!! 🤡

Trey has played 5 games. He is a bust!!! 🤡

It's just a unique circumstance that is hard to accept for some. Trey was given the keys to the franchise last year but got injured. Another guy came in and stepped up and led the team deep into the playoffs. That doesn't mean Trey is a bust. 1 preseason game doesn't mean Trey is a bust. Niners naming Brock as the starter doesn't mean they think Trey is a bust.

If Jimmy G never got injured last year and led the team to the playoffs? who do you think would be QB1 today? It would be Trey Lance.

Thank you! We've created a weird tribal thing among a group of fans that should be rooting for everyone on this team.

between Covid, injuries and the way the team wanted to develop him…he hasn't had the chance to play a ton of football. Having him here currently doesn't hurt the team unless the team can get some sort of legit value for him.

It's weird how he went from QB1, got 31 passing attempts to now he might be off the team. The media has crucified him over not much.

He didn't win the QB1 role, it was handed over to him. In a fair competition he would likely be QB4 behind Purdy, Jimmy G, and Sudfeld.

Right now in a fair competition, he would likely be QB4 behind Purdy, Darnold, and Allen.

Not much have change really.

This doenst make sense to me. You are saying Kyle tried to trade Jimmy G and cut Sudfield bc both were better than Trey? LOL c'mon

Yes that is exactly what I am saying. IMO, because of where Trey was being drafted, Kyle had no choice but to named Trey as the starter, and was just hoping Trey made the jump in his 2nd season, but he did not. That was why Kyle got Jimmy back, and Kyle was ready to benched Trey anytime. He didn't have to do that because Trey got injured. Nobody wants Trey to get hurt for sure, but I sensed relieved to the whole team including Kyle and teammates when Jimmy got on the field in week 2.

Are you seriously saying Trey is better than Jimmy G right now? I say no, not even close.

Lance wasn't the starter last year because he was the best option, he was the starter to get Trey his experience so he can develop.

idk about sudfield because I've never seen him start a regular season game, but it's pretty clear Brock & Jimmy are much better than Trey - especially an injured Trey last season.

im not knocking Kyle for starting Trey last season, I get why he did it, it was the best option to get him developed and see if he would eventually be better than jimmy.

We kept winning last year because our qb depth was reversed, even Kyle said that after three games of Brock he realized Brock was the best qb on the team.

Originally posted by 49ers81:
In an interview with Tim Kawakami Kyle fairly strongly intimated that Purdy had outplayed Lance in practice last year but because they had invested so much in Lance draft wise and hadn't actually seen Purdy do what he was doing in practice in a game, and because they knew Lance needed the reps, they committed to him as the starter that year. In a "fair" competition he wouldn't have beaten put Jimmy, he wouldn't have beaten out Purdy, and he might not even have beaten out Sudfield. No rap against Lance. He didn't force the team to draft him where they did, and he came in with less experience at the position than ANY QB who has ever been drafted so high in the modern era.

Not sure what the next step will be. If I'm not mistaken Darnold and Allen are only here on one-year contracts, while Lance still has two years left on his deal. Assuming Brock stays healthy and continues on his trajectory from last year they are still going to need QB's next season. With as little as they are paying Brock, they could afford to carry Lance for another year if Darnold decides to go looking for another starting gig. Be interesting to see what happens.

I think the next step will be determining if TL can help this team, this year, win meaningful games, in a backup role. If they come to a determination that he cannot, or he is behind Sam (maybe even Allen?), they have decisions to make. I don't think any NFL club wants about $10m per year going to QB3. It would be an awkward situation for TL and the team. Trade would make sense, unless they see this guy as QB2. I think they should trade him. I like a Brock, Sam, Allen QB room. You get three guys who can play. You save dollars. You probably get a pick or pick swap. Lance gets a fresh start. I see everyone winning here. We don't have to invest a bunch of resources in trying to level up this QB who will be off the rook contract by the time he makes any progress. All we are doing is leveling him up for the next team lol.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Yes that is exactly what I am saying. IMO, because of where Trey was being drafted, Kyle had no choice but to named Trey as the starter, and was just hoping Trey made the jump in his 2nd season, but he did not. That was why Kyle got Jimmy back, and Kyle was ready to benched Trey anytime. He didn't have to do that because Trey got injured. Nobody wants Trey to get hurt for sure, but I sensed relieved to the whole team including Kyle and teammates when Jimmy got on the field in week 2.

Are you seriously saying Trey is better than Jimmy G right now? I say no, not even close.

a lot of people on this board thought Trey was waaaaay better than Jimmy.

Not only that....waaaay better than Jimmy in his rookie season.

That was ridiculous.

Some? Sure. A lot of people? Absolutely a lie.

A lot of people thought Trey needed playing time, and had hopes for what Trey could eventually be, and a lot of sensitive Jimmy fans took that as... what you're saying now.

For me personally, I never assumed Trey was better than Jimmy. Never once. I was very careful with that. And so was SWH and many others who were in support of the trade.

The more common narrative was that starting Trey his rookie year would have resulted in a wasted season. Which again, was before anyone saw Trey take a snap in the NFL.

I'm not saying Trey Lance is looking like the next Joe Montana but my god Kyle isn't doing this kid any favors. Hardly ran the ball at all with Lance at QB and played behind an offensive line that couldn't block me Sunday. Kyle decided on Purdy a long time ago and he's all but making sure Lance has no chance.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Yes that is exactly what I am saying. IMO, because of where Trey was being drafted, Kyle had no choice but to named Trey as the starter, and was just hoping Trey made the jump in his 2nd season, but he did not. That was why Kyle got Jimmy back, and Kyle was ready to benched Trey anytime. He didn't have to do that because Trey got injured. Nobody wants Trey to get hurt for sure, but I sensed relieved to the whole team including Kyle and teammates when Jimmy got on the field in week 2.

Are you seriously saying Trey is better than Jimmy G right now? I say no, not even close.

a lot of people on this board thought Trey was waaaaay better than Jimmy.

A lot of people on this board HOPED Trey was waaaaay better than Jimmy.

Their hopes have not yet been realized.

Originally posted by SanFranFanfrmVa:
I'm not saying Trey Lance is looking like the next Joe Montana but my god Kyle isn't doing this kid any favors. Hardly ran the ball at all with Lance at QB and played behind an offensive line that couldn't block me Sunday. Kyle decided on Purdy a long time ago and he's all but making sure Lance has no chance.

The o line didn't have a great day but he had more than enough time to hit his open progressions. He just wasnot pulling the trigger on most of them, which led him to getting sacked. A lot of the throws were supposed to be quick drops and throw - the O line knows that, so they aren't expecting to be blocking for over 3 seconds. The average time he had was like 3.3 seconds per a snap, which is quite a bit of time. You want it out under 3 usually

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49ers81:
In an interview with Tim Kawakami Kyle fairly strongly intimated that Purdy had outplayed Lance in practice last year but because they had invested so much in Lance draft wise and hadn't actually seen Purdy do what he was doing in practice in a game, and because they knew Lance needed the reps, they committed to him as the starter that year. In a "fair" competition he wouldn't have beaten put Jimmy, he wouldn't have beaten out Purdy, and he might not even have beaten out Sudfield. No rap against Lance. He didn't force the team to draft him where they did, and he came in with less experience at the position than ANY QB who has ever been drafted so high in the modern era.

Not sure what the next step will be. If I'm not mistaken Darnold and Allen are only here on one-year contracts, while Lance still has two years left on his deal. Assuming Brock stays healthy and continues on his trajectory from last year they are still going to need QB's next season. With as little as they are paying Brock, they could afford to carry Lance for another year if Darnold decides to go looking for another starting gig. Be interesting to see what happens.

I think the next step will be determining if TL can help this team, this year, win meaningful games, in a backup role. If they come to a determination that he cannot, or he is behind Sam (maybe even Allen?), they have decisions to make. I don't think any NFL club wants about $10m per year going to QB3. It would be an awkward situation for TL and the team. Trade would make sense, unless they see this guy as QB2. I think they should trade him. I like a Brock, Sam, Allen QB room. You get three guys who can play. You save dollars. You probably get a pick or pick swap. Lance gets a fresh start. I see everyone winning here. We don't have to invest a bunch of resources in trying to level up this QB who will be off the rook contract by the time he makes any progress. All we are doing is leveling him up for the next team lol.

What kind of trade value does he command right now. A future 5th? A dozen wings from Buffalo Wild Wings? I don't think anyone else wants him and if they do we probably won't get much in return. Sad really.

I'm not anti-Lance but this cracked me up

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8NbvbCh/