Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Finished up the 49ers game and the negative talk about Trey Lance is overblown

Entire offense didn't play well. Fumbles, dropped passes, blown protections.

Trey had three throws that were bad but coachable moments but also had three high level completions

GIVE HIM TIME !!!

— Coach K | Keith Sanchez (@TheTalentCode) August 15, 2023

When I went back and watched, yes while it wasn't as bad as my emotions told me, it was still REALLY bad IMO.

There could be reasons for that that I can admit I wasn't giving enough consideration to, but that said, I've got to see him do much better than this by the end of preseason at minimum. Ideally bouncing back asap on Saturday.

There was errors that were not on Trey, mistakes were made in routs....almost certainly....

Having said that... there was more then 3 bad throws...my 8 am brain just woke up brain can think of at least 4. The overthrow on check down, the one handed catch in the middle of the field, and the two near INT.

Those are on top of his timing issues, missed plays and likely confusion with coverage.

We can give him credit for his three "high level completions", but 2 of them are against a prevent defense with less then 30 seconds before half time needing to drive the length of the field.....

Nah, that game was bad.... Trey will live to fight another day. but he has to learn from that game and push forward.

To me the biggest issue is he still has almost a complete lack of anticipation, and really does not progress well down the passing chart.

Some posters have been upset that Trey never got a shot this year to compete for QB1.....yeah....if this game is indicative of what the 49ers have seen in practice.... I get it.... I get why he is not competing for QB1.

This game Trey had a hard time processing down the passing chart. He is slow to do it, and has no anticipation of where the defender will be in relation to his targets. You contrast that with Brock finding Kittle in the playoffs making up his own routs and being somewhat open somewhere he is not suppose to be and hitting him for a crucial chunk play....it does look like these two have completely different abilities to see what is taking place in front of them.

There's an element of cleverness that is missing from Lance's game and jonnydel pointed it out well in his video breakdown - eye manipulation versus zone coverage. I don't know at what point a QB starts doing this but it must be done at the NFL level. Trust the pre snap read and while dropping back look somewhere else to open the passing lane to the route most likely to be open versus that coverage.

I think he's just alittle rusty right now... and not trusting his new teammates. That part is his problem tho, just do your job.. if the reciever is not where he's supposed to be, it'll look bad on TV.. but the coaches will know what is up. So just do your job and trust who ever is out there.

Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49ers81:
In an interview with Tim Kawakami Kyle fairly strongly intimated that Purdy had outplayed Lance in practice last year but because they had invested so much in Lance draft wise and hadn't actually seen Purdy do what he was doing in practice in a game, and because they knew Lance needed the reps, they committed to him as the starter that year. In a "fair" competition he wouldn't have beaten put Jimmy, he wouldn't have beaten out Purdy, and he might not even have beaten out Sudfield. No rap against Lance. He didn't force the team to draft him where they did, and he came in with less experience at the position than ANY QB who has ever been drafted so high in the modern era.

Not sure what the next step will be. If I'm not mistaken Darnold and Allen are only here on one-year contracts, while Lance still has two years left on his deal. Assuming Brock stays healthy and continues on his trajectory from last year they are still going to need QB's next season. With as little as they are paying Brock, they could afford to carry Lance for another year if Darnold decides to go looking for another starting gig. Be interesting to see what happens.

I think the next step will be determining if TL can help this team, this year, win meaningful games, in a backup role. If they come to a determination that he cannot, or he is behind Sam (maybe even Allen?), they have decisions to make. I don't think any NFL club wants about $10m per year going to QB3. It would be an awkward situation for TL and the team. Trade would make sense, unless they see this guy as QB2. I think they should trade him. I like a Brock, Sam, Allen QB room. You get three guys who can play. You save dollars. You probably get a pick or pick swap. Lance gets a fresh start. I see everyone winning here. We don't have to invest a bunch of resources in trying to level up this QB who will be off the rook contract by the time he makes any progress. All we are doing is leveling him up for the next team lol.

What kind of trade value does he command right now. A future 5th? A dozen wings from Buffalo Wild Wings? I don't think anyone else wants him and if they do we probably won't get much in return. Sad really.

It's not about the trade value imo. We get three guys who can play. We save dollars. Lance gets a fresh start. We move on. I just don't see what we gain, by paying a lot of cap for a QB3 who isn't gonna play, and may not be as good as Allen tbh. What would be the point of that? Hoping he turns it around? He's not improving and the theory is he needs games to do that, there are no games to be had here. By the time any improvement happens, he's a FA, and he took up $20m of our cap in 23-24.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Some? Sure. A lot of people? Absolutely a lie.

A lot of people thought Trey needed playing time, and had hopes for what Trey could eventually be, and a lot of sensitive Jimmy fans took that as... what you're saying now.

For me personally, I never assumed Trey was better than Jimmy. Never once. I was very careful with that. And so was SWH and many others who were in support of the trade.

The more common narrative was that starting Trey his rookie year would have resulted in a wasted season. Which again, was before anyone saw Trey take a snap in the NFL.

i can think of at least 10. that's "a lot" to me.

it's weird that this post comes off a little defensive.

Originally posted by Afrikan:


I think he's just alittle rusty right now... and not trusting his new teammates (that part is his problem tho).

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
What kind of trade value does he command right now. A future 5th? A dozen wings from Buffalo Wild Wings? I don't think anyone else wants him and if they do we probably won't get much in return. Sad really.

About the best we can hope for would be a conditional 4-7th round pick that could move up a bit based on his performance. We first need to find a team that is willing to invest in a backup QB that needs a lot of PT. That requirement (underlined) alone should tell you why a trade is not very likely.

This is uncharted waters. Off the top of my head, I can't think of a team that has ever faced a situation like this.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Finished up the 49ers game and the negative talk about Trey Lance is overblown

Entire offense didn't play well. Fumbles, dropped passes, blown protections.

Trey had three throws that were bad but coachable moments but also had three high level completions

GIVE HIM TIME !!!

— Coach K | Keith Sanchez (@TheTalentCode) August 15, 2023

When I went back and watched, yes while it wasn't as bad as my emotions told me, it was still REALLY bad IMO.

There could be reasons for that that I can admit I wasn't giving enough consideration to, but that said, I've got to see him do much better than this by the end of preseason at minimum. Ideally bouncing back asap on Saturday.

There was errors that were not on Trey, mistakes were made in routs....almost certainly....

Having said that... there was more then 3 bad throws...my 8 am brain just woke up brain can think of at least 4. The overthrow on check down, the one handed catch in the middle of the field, and the two near INT.

Those are on top of his timing issues, missed plays and likely confusion with coverage.

We can give him credit for his three "high level completions", but 2 of them are against a prevent defense with less then 30 seconds before half time needing to drive the length of the field.....

Nah, that game was bad.... Trey will live to fight another day. but he has to learn from that game and push forward.

To me the biggest issue is he still has almost a complete lack of anticipation, and really does not progress well down the passing chart.

Some posters have been upset that Trey never got a shot this year to compete for QB1.....yeah....if this game is indicative of what the 49ers have seen in practice.... I get it.... I get why he is not competing for QB1.

This game Trey had a hard time processing down the passing chart. He is slow to do it, and has no anticipation of where the defender will be in relation to his targets. You contrast that with Brock finding Kittle in the playoffs making up his own routs and being somewhat open somewhere he is not suppose to be and hitting him for a crucial chunk play....it does look like these two have completely different abilities to see what is taking place in front of them.

There's an element of cleverness that is missing from Lance's game and jonnydel pointed it out well in his video breakdown - eye manipulation versus zone coverage. I don't know at what point a QB starts doing this but it must be done at the NFL level. Trust the pre snap read and while dropping back look somewhere else to open the passing lane to the route most likely to be open versus that coverage.

I think he's just alittle rusty right now... and not trusting his new teammates. That part is his problem tho, just do your job.. if the reciever is not where he's supposed to be, it'll look bad on TV.. but the coaches will know what is up. So just do your job and trust who ever is out there.

Oh yeah! I remember that. Good time.

Originally posted by Furlow:
It wasn't all positive as the game went on. This was pretty ugly.

Trey Lance w/ another should be INT. This is not the most difficult concept vs Tampa 2. Gotta understand the underneath zone defenders. Must see the Will.#FTTB
Full video: https://t.co/bPhwSKxVso pic.twitter.com/KtIEMpOveb

— The QB School (@theqbschool) August 16, 2023

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Finished up the 49ers game and the negative talk about Trey Lance is overblown

Entire offense didn't play well. Fumbles, dropped passes, blown protections.

Trey had three throws that were bad but coachable moments but also had three high level completions

GIVE HIM TIME !!!

— Coach K | Keith Sanchez (@TheTalentCode) August 15, 2023

When I went back and watched, yes while it wasn't as bad as my emotions told me, it was still REALLY bad IMO.

There could be reasons for that that I can admit I wasn't giving enough consideration to, but that said, I've got to see him do much better than this by the end of preseason at minimum. Ideally bouncing back asap on Saturday.

There was errors that were not on Trey, mistakes were made in routs....almost certainly....

Having said that... there was more then 3 bad throws...my 8 am brain just woke up brain can think of at least 4. The overthrow on check down, the one handed catch in the middle of the field, and the two near INT.

Those are on top of his timing issues, missed plays and likely confusion with coverage.

We can give him credit for his three "high level completions", but 2 of them are against a prevent defense with less then 30 seconds before half time needing to drive the length of the field.....

Nah, that game was bad.... Trey will live to fight another day. but he has to learn from that game and push forward.

To me the biggest issue is he still has almost a complete lack of anticipation, and really does not progress well down the passing chart.

Some posters have been upset that Trey never got a shot this year to compete for QB1.....yeah....if this game is indicative of what the 49ers have seen in practice.... I get it.... I get why he is not competing for QB1.

This game Trey had a hard time processing down the passing chart. He is slow to do it, and has no anticipation of where the defender will be in relation to his targets. You contrast that with Brock finding Kittle in the playoffs making up his own routs and being somewhat open somewhere he is not suppose to be and hitting him for a crucial chunk play....it does look like these two have completely different abilities to see what is taking place in front of them.

There's an element of cleverness that is missing from Lance's game and jonnydel pointed it out well in his video breakdown - eye manipulation versus zone coverage. I don't know at what point a QB starts doing this but it must be done at the NFL level. Trust the pre snap read and while dropping back look somewhere else to open the passing lane to the route most likely to be open versus that coverage.

I think he's just alittle rusty right now... and not trusting his new teammates. That part is his problem tho, just do your job.. if the reciever is not where he's supposed to be, it'll look bad on TV.. but the coaches will know what is up. So just do your job and trust who ever is out there.

Very fair point. I still think he has a long ways to go, but like I said yesterday, his story isn't finished yet.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Finished up the 49ers game and the negative talk about Trey Lance is overblown

Entire offense didn't play well. Fumbles, dropped passes, blown protections.

Trey had three throws that were bad but coachable moments but also had three high level completions

GIVE HIM TIME !!!

— Coach K | Keith Sanchez (@TheTalentCode) August 15, 2023

When I went back and watched, yes while it wasn't as bad as my emotions told me, it was still REALLY bad IMO.

There could be reasons for that that I can admit I wasn't giving enough consideration to, but that said, I've got to see him do much better than this by the end of preseason at minimum. Ideally bouncing back asap on Saturday.

There was errors that were not on Trey, mistakes were made in routs....almost certainly....

Having said that... there was more then 3 bad throws...my 8 am brain just woke up brain can think of at least 4. The overthrow on check down, the one handed catch in the middle of the field, and the two near INT.

Those are on top of his timing issues, missed plays and likely confusion with coverage.

We can give him credit for his three "high level completions", but 2 of them are against a prevent defense with less then 30 seconds before half time needing to drive the length of the field.....

Nah, that game was bad.... Trey will live to fight another day. but he has to learn from that game and push forward.

To me the biggest issue is he still has almost a complete lack of anticipation, and really does not progress well down the passing chart.

Some posters have been upset that Trey never got a shot this year to compete for QB1.....yeah....if this game is indicative of what the 49ers have seen in practice.... I get it.... I get why he is not competing for QB1.

This game Trey had a hard time processing down the passing chart. He is slow to do it, and has no anticipation of where the defender will be in relation to his targets. You contrast that with Brock finding Kittle in the playoffs making up his own routs and being somewhat open somewhere he is not suppose to be and hitting him for a crucial chunk play....it does look like these two have completely different abilities to see what is taking place in front of them.

There's an element of cleverness that is missing from Lance's game and jonnydel pointed it out well in his video breakdown - eye manipulation versus zone coverage. I don't know at what point a QB starts doing this but it must be done at the NFL level. Trust the pre snap read and while dropping back look somewhere else to open the passing lane to the route most likely to be open versus that coverage.

I think he's just alittle rusty right now... and not trusting his new teammates. That part is his problem tho, just do your job.. if the reciever is not where he's supposed to be, it'll look bad on TV.. but the coaches will know what is up. So just do your job and trust who ever is out there.

Good advice.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
What kind of trade value does he command right now. A future 5th? A dozen wings from Buffalo Wild Wings? I don't think anyone else wants him and if they do we probably won't get much in return. Sad really.

About the best we can hope for would be a conditional 4-7th round pick that could move up a bit based on his performance. We first need to find a team that is willing to invest in a backup QB that needs a lot of PT. That requirement (underlined) alone should tell you why a trade is not very likely.

This is uncharted waters. Off the top of my head, I can't think of a team that has ever faced a situation like this.

Yah I feel that too. He hasn't shown enough in college or pro to warrant the trade for him. He probably doesn't even belong in the NFL at all. The 49ers whiffed on this guy. I still believe Shanny believed this this guy could have been Mahomes 2.0 and he completely blew that eval.

Originally posted by SanFranFanfrmVa:
I'm not saying Trey Lance is looking like the next Joe Montana but my god Kyle isn't doing this kid any favors. Hardly ran the ball at all with Lance at QB and played behind an offensive line that couldn't block me Sunday. Kyle decided on Purdy a long time ago and he's all but making sure Lance has no chance.

After all the tweets, Youtube clips and discussions in here that's what you came up with?? Keep in mind Shahanan's main priority as it seemed looked to evaluate Trey Lance. Why run the ball in Preseason when he knows his running game is in the top 10 in the NFL?? lol

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I'm not anti-Lance but this cracked me up

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8NbvbCh/

I've followed this ream since the YA Tittle days. I remember the controversy about trading him to the Giants so they could go with Brodie. I remember the people that wanted Billy Kilmer over Brodie. Then we had the Joe vs. Steve controversy. Then it was Alex vs Kap. This team has been blessed with talented QBs over the years so there has always been controversy. Many teams have a QB controversy but may this team has had more than most.

The current situation may be the most unusual and the worst situation this team has ever had. Most of the time it's about a proven vet vs the young gun. In our case we have a 7 game starter vs a 4 game starter vs a talented but under achieving (so far) former 1st rounder.

The Niners drafted Trey knowing he needed a lot of work but they had JG for at least another year. It turned out to be 2 more but unfortunately he got hurt again. Then Trey steps in and gets hurt. The next year Trey starts and breaks his ankle so JG steps in. Naturally he gets hurt again. Along comes a 7th round pick who plays well in his 7 starts until he gets hurt.

So here we are. A talented team that can contend for the SB but the QB situation is crazy. Their baking on the 7th rounder who had off season surgery staying healthy and being as successful as he was last year. At the same time they know the guy they gave up so much to draft needs experience. If Brock gets hurt it's probably Darnold stepping in at this point so where does Trey get that game action experience? It's a bad situation for the team and Trey because if he can't get the reps then he will be a wasted draft pick that cost them 2 firsts in addition to his pick. This wasn't what they envisioned but it sure hasn't worked out so far.

Maybe we will see Trey get some plays with Aiyuk a receiver he trusts in one of these next two games

Originally posted by DRnSFw:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Reports: #49ers GM John Lynch wanted to select current #Bears QB Justin Fields in the 2021 #NFL Draft, however San Francisco HC Kyle Shanahan insisted on current 49ers QB Trey Lance 👀 (per @NFLNotify)

How much better do you believe Fields would look in SF compared to CHI? pic.twitter.com/9tjOxmma13

— Woodward Sports Network (@woodwardsports) August 14, 2023

i wonder how true this is. That was my draft crush 😭

IF this is true, then it's no wonder Lynch wants to move off of Trey, in all Lynch's interviews all you hear from is mouth is 13, 14 and 4 competing, I think KS has final say and is like f@ck you to lynch, cause there are some picks that lynch probably made that KS didn't like, Solomon Thomas at 3rd overall for example lol

Fields sucks too. Dont like either at this pount