Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

I HATED the pick when it happened, and my feelings for it hasn't gotten any better. tried to give him the benefit of the doubt with time, but 3 seasons in and from the sounds of it he's just fighting to make the 53

Trey Lance has been nothing short of a disaster.

Originally posted by NDSU:
The Bears went 3-14 last year. If Lance played all last year and the 49ers went 3-14 you would be calling for his head.
Yet Fields gets praise from you guys. Kind of hilarious.

I don't think JF gets praise.. it's just viewing and have a football opinion, on these young QBs. McCoy was talking about young QBs, and saying even if they struggle as rooks, they usually always have at least one elite trait. JF did, and we could see it pretty easy, I think most ppl could, his legs. Breaking down defenses with his legs, opened the game up for him. On TL, McCoy doesn't see any elite traits, I don't either.. it's harder to make a case for him developing. All I can come up with is more anticipation, consistency, accuracy, in the drop back pass game, but he is worlds off on this from what he needs to be. It would take major improvement.

Originally posted by NDSU:
The Bears went 3-14 last year. If Lance played all last year and the 49ers went 3-14 you would be calling for his head.
Yet Fields gets praise from you guys. Kind of hilarious.

And rightfully so. The Bears aren't the 49ers who, you may recall, have been to three NFC Championship games in the last four years. There is a difference between acknowledging Fields' efforts on a losing team and saying that Lance accomplishing the same results on a Super Bowl contending roster are in ANY WAY comparable.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by NDSU:
The Bears went 3-14 last year. If Lance played all last year and the 49ers went 3-14 you would be calling for his head.
Yet Fields gets praise from you guys. Kind of hilarious.

do you think Fields goes 3-14 with the 2022 49er roster?

I dont think Trey Lance goes 3-14 with the 2022 49er roster.

I do think it would of been a very slow increase in his ability last year, especially cause he was still injured and his mechanics were a mess. I don't think we would of made the playoffs. I think we would of won like 7-8 games.

doesn't really matter, that isn't what happened. I just think he would of really struggled cause he couldn't really prepare for the season properly last off season. I think the problems would of compounded and his confidence would of cratered, since he was struggling with confidence already (per what all the reports are saying and how players are saying he is much more confident this year).

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by NDSU:
The Bears went 3-14 last year. If Lance played all last year and the 49ers went 3-14 you would be calling for his head.
Yet Fields gets praise from you guys. Kind of hilarious.

do you think Fields goes 3-14 with the 2022 49er roster?

I dont think Trey Lance goes 3-14 with the 2022 49er roster.

the point of my post was the roster around Fields contributed more to their record than not.

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
What kind of trade value does he command right now. A future 5th? A dozen wings from Buffalo Wild Wings? I don't think anyone else wants him and if they do we probably won't get much in return. Sad really.

Maybe we get a 5th but give up a 6th. We might have to eat up some of his salary as a part of the deal. Everyone know we are trying to get rid of a problem. There is no leverage.

Who cares about what anybody else is doing, how is Trey Lance performing? Well, the best analysis I've seen thus far comes from JT O'Sullivan and he's not liking what he is seeing. He introduces the concept of turn downs, or routes that should have been thrown to but weren't.

https://youtu.be/zRd5ShRVpzo

Originally posted by bzborow1:
Who cares about what anybody else is doing, how is Trey Lance performing? Well, the best analysis I've seen thus far comes from JT O'Sullivan and he's not liking what he is seeing. He introduces the concept of turn downs, or routes that should have been thrown to but weren't.

https://youtu.be/zRd5ShRVpzo

He was gun-shy, missed many chunk play opportunities, yet still managed to throw three interception worthy throws in 2 quarters.

Originally posted by bzborow1:
Who cares about what anybody else is doing, how is Trey Lance performing? Well, the best analysis I've seen thus far comes from JT O'Sullivan and he's not liking what he is seeing. He introduces the concept of turn downs, or routes that should have been thrown to but weren't.

https://youtu.be/zRd5ShRVpzo

Dude was hesitant early in that preseason game for sure. No way around it. I thought he improved a little as the game went on.

it's funny I watched all of Brock's throws from the Dallas game today and I saw two plays that were identical to what Lance did. He hesitated and the play was a negative. It shows that every young QB (especially one with damn near no legit starts) has those moments.

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Yes that is exactly what I am saying. IMO, because of where Trey was being drafted, Kyle had no choice but to named Trey as the starter, and was just hoping Trey made the jump in his 2nd season, but he did not. That was why Kyle got Jimmy back, and Kyle was ready to benched Trey anytime. He didn't have to do that because Trey got injured. Nobody wants Trey to get hurt for sure, but I sensed relieved to the whole team including Kyle and teammates when Jimmy got on the field in week 2.

Are you seriously saying Trey is better than Jimmy G right now? I say no, not even close.

a lot of people on this board thought Trey was waaaaay better than Jimmy.

A lot of people on this board HOPED Trey was waaaaay better than Jimmy.

Their hopes have not yet been realized.

I think I would have to respectfully disagree with that proposed caveat. Though there were certainly those who took a more tempered approach to the question there was a lot of, let's just say, "unsubstantiated" belief in Trey's potential from the moment he got drafted. I distinctly remember commenting on it at the time because, quite frankly I don't recall having ever seen anything quite like it.

During his first training camp posters were saying things like, "Oh, he's going to be an elite runner in this league", "Oh, he probably already knows the playbook better than Jimmy." "Oh, he's going to open up the playbook downfield", which may have had an element of truth in it but based on Purdy's play last year, which Kyle has praised, it doesn't seem like the downfield came is an integral part of Kyle's scheme. The shots are there, but the priority seems to be getting the ball out of your hands quickly and accurately and let the playmakers do their thing. I realize that is a very abridged assessment, but I think it is essentially true. It's not a mad bomber offense.

I think the bottom line is that there are a lot of people in here who will never forgive Jimmy for missing that pass to Sanders and so they build up these narratives around the idea that some raw, untested player, is going to be better than him because, well because, he missed that pass to Sanders, gosh darn it. Just my take mind you.

Good comments.

The key part is the missed pass to Sanders. That clouded the mind of many, myself included. It then became easy to think/hope that Lance would be better than Jimmy. However, that totally overlooked the lack of experience. The result was hope based on an incomplete data set.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I hope trey gets to start again. The team gains nothing by playing darnold

But that's my quarterback if anything happens to Brock.

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I hope trey gets to start again. The team gains nothing by playing darnold

But that's my quarterback if anything happens to Brock.

I know. QB2 needs reps as he doesn't get much during the season. If the QB2 front runner is Darnold, we should give him a bunch of playing time in the preseason.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by bzborow1:
Who cares about what anybody else is doing, how is Trey Lance performing? Well, the best analysis I've seen thus far comes from JT O'Sullivan and he's not liking what he is seeing. He introduces the concept of turn downs, or routes that should have been thrown to but weren't.

https://youtu.be/zRd5ShRVpzo

Dude was hesitant early in that preseason game for sure. No way around it. I thought he improved a little as the game went on.

it's funny I watched all of Brock's throws from the Dallas game today and I saw two plays that were identical to what Lance did. He hesitated and the play was a negative. It shows that every young QB (especially one with damn near no legit starts) has those moments.

He did not really improve as the game went on....the last 3 or 4 plays were against a prevent that was giving the middle of the field up.

Trey had one good throw, you could argue every other throw minus the last 2 and the screen are probably bad throws or not what the 49ers wanted from those snaps.

If we are going to argue Trey raiders game vs Brock and the cowboys......

I am pretty sure most posters can get the difference between a 3 year vet in a throw away pre-season game and a rookie qb in a win or go home playoff game.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by bzborow1:
Who cares about what anybody else is doing, how is Trey Lance performing? Well, the best analysis I've seen thus far comes from JT O'Sullivan and he's not liking what he is seeing. He introduces the concept of turn downs, or routes that should have been thrown to but weren't.

https://youtu.be/zRd5ShRVpzo

Dude was hesitant early in that preseason game for sure. No way around it. I thought he improved a little as the game went on.

it's funny I watched all of Brock's throws from the Dallas game today and I saw two plays that were identical to what Lance did. He hesitated and the play was a negative. It shows that every young QB (especially one with damn near no legit starts) has those moments.

Brocks nerves def where getting to him in the first two playoff games early. He settled down though. The Philly game he seemed to actually come out strong but got hurt so early on that we won't really know.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I hope trey gets to start again. The team gains nothing by playing darnold

But that's my quarterback if anything happens to Brock.

I know. QB2 needs reps as he doesn't get much during the season. If the QB2 front runner is Darnold, we should give him a bunch of playing time in the preseason.

Every season I have ever watched always had QB2 running the other team's offense in practice. Outside of game time QB2 is a busy position.

Not saying Trey will win QB2 but if he wins it...yeah he will get reps.

Under the new rule set, QB3 probably just shadows QB1.

I dunno how much of a window the raiders game was of where Trey actually is in his development. Right now it looks to me like Trey needs as much film time as he can possibly get. He does not seem to recognize what he is looking at.