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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
One nice pass. Rest was meh. If he gets the start vs Denver let's see him make a play when read one isn't open. Otherwise it's pray for Brocks health all year.
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
so now Lynch wanted Fields, and we know Shanny wanted McCorkle.... the only person who could override these two is Jed, he forced the pick but why?
Come on bro! Kyle already said it was between he and that Jones fella. When Kyle was forced to coach Johnny Football he asked to be let out of his contract. 0% chance Jed forced Kyle into Trey.
Now, I wouldn't be surprised if he was persuaded by the talking heads and fellow staffers. But never forced
Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Here's why I'm 99.9% sure Kyle chose Lance and wasn't forced into it......
To pick a guy from a small conference with so little experience meant more big balls by the coach than one could ever reasonably "force" onto someone. I'm not sure Lance was super highly touted either where you'd feel compelled to make him the guy (kinda like RG3).
Fields, Wilson, Jones, would all make more sense being "forced" onto Kyle than Lance, if it ever came down to that.
Let's look at the big picture though:
If Lance truly doesn't pan out but Purdy does, enough for us to win a chip and/or be a franchise QB, then it all worked out in the end, because in a weird way, everything had to happen pretty much the way it did from April 2021 till December 2022 both in player acquisition, injuries, W/L, etc.....
The crazy thing about Purdy is that not only did he have to be drafted/signed by SF, but needed two starting QBs to go down for this to have ever happened........and likely needed CMC as well to perform at the level he did.
So trust me when I say this, Purdy could justify the whole three first rounders if things work out the way we want them to. Let's say hindsight we get another stud TE (Pitts), WR (Chase), EDGE (Parsons)...........would've been sick, but unfortunately not sure that would have been enough to get the bowl with Jimmy.......a real shame.
And then you have to consider, if we didn't draft Lance at 3 but instead drafted a QB late that year, then likely no Purdy the year after.
When it's all said and done, Purdy has to be the only 3rd string in NFL history that made a real impact fast......can't think of anyone else. Hell, even Steve Bono wasn't unexpected like this....
Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Here's why I'm 99.9% sure Kyle chose Lance and wasn't forced into it......
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Because he's the HC and OC
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Itd be the JJ Stokes/TO saga all over again.
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Because he's the HC and OC
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
And defacto GM.
Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Here's why I'm 99.9% sure Kyle chose Lance and wasn't forced into it......
To pick a guy from a small conference with so little experience meant more big balls by the coach than one could ever reasonably "force" onto someone. I'm not sure Lance was super highly touted either where you'd feel compelled to make him the guy (kinda like RG3).
Fields, Wilson, Jones, would all make more sense being "forced" onto Kyle than Lance, if it ever came down to that.
Originally posted by Dshearn:
Yeah....
When you ask yourself what is the mostly like thing that happened..... you are probably more often right then wrong....
Sure...maybe Trey was forced on Shanny....but I doubt it.....
It would almost have to be ownership if it was.
A franchise QB is a ton of work, a franchise QB that is so obviously green...is even more work.....
I just can't see that happening with out at least a Luke warm blessing from Shanny.
I always go back to that time shanny said something to the effect, I (or we) will not do that again.... in regards to taking someone with such limited experience at QB.
Trey is a very likable dude, and has a ton of positives.....this was likely a group effort that they talked themselves into Trey against their better judgment, thinking sureeee a year is a loonnnggg time...we can have him ready...... sit him behind Jimmy, get him up to speed. I could see something like that happening.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by tankle104:
I'm not sure which starters, if any, will be playing. I can't imagine the starters will be in for long, if at all.
all grant does is cry. If Lance needs everything perfect and ideal all the time, then he's not cut out for the league. If he wants to go first, then he should be playing better and earning that playing time. Not bein timid and gunshy then pouting if he doesn't get a chance to go first next game.
Why would anyone care about what Grant Cohn thinks? Out of all the people whose opinions matter to me, his is way, way down the list, somewhere behind the actress that played the mom on ALF, the third base coach for the Colorado Rockies and Carrot Top.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I'm not getting into legit challenging Brock, I'm just saying I don't go all in on camp reports as gospel. I'll trust what I see, more. Sam looked good to me.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by tankle104:
I'm not sure which starters, if any, will be playing. I can't imagine the starters will be in for long, if at all.
all grant does is cry. If Lance needs everything perfect and ideal all the time, then he's not cut out for the league. If he wants to go first, then he should be playing better and earning that playing time. Not bein timid and gunshy then pouting if he doesn't get a chance to go first next game.
Why would anyone care about what Grant Cohn thinks? Out of all the people whose opinions matter to me, his is way, way down the list, somewhere behind the actress that played the mom on ALF, the third base coach for the Colorado Rockies and Carrot Top.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Dshearn:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Finished up the 49ers game and the negative talk about Trey Lance is overblown
— Coach K | Keith Sanchez (@TheTalentCode) August 15, 2023
Entire offense didn't play well. Fumbles, dropped passes, blown protections.
Trey had three throws that were bad but coachable moments but also had three high level completions
GIVE HIM TIME !!!
When I went back and watched, yes while it wasn't as bad as my emotions told me, it was still REALLY bad IMO.
There could be reasons for that that I can admit I wasn't giving enough consideration to, but that said, I've got to see him do much better than this by the end of preseason at minimum. Ideally bouncing back asap on Saturday.
There was errors that were not on Trey, mistakes were made in routs....almost certainly....
Having said that... there was more then 3 bad throws...my 8 am brain just woke up brain can think of at least 4. The overthrow on check down, the one handed catch in the middle of the field, and the two near INT.
Those are on top of his timing issues, missed plays and likely confusion with coverage.
We can give him credit for his three "high level completions", but 2 of them are against a prevent defense with less then 30 seconds before half time needing to drive the length of the field.....
Nah, that game was bad.... Trey will live to fight another day. but he has to learn from that game and push forward.
To me the biggest issue is he still has almost a complete lack of anticipation, and really does not progress well down the passing chart.
Some posters have been upset that Trey never got a shot this year to compete for QB1.....yeah....if this game is indicative of what the 49ers have seen in practice.... I get it.... I get why he is not competing for QB1.
This game Trey had a hard time processing down the passing chart. He is slow to do it, and has no anticipation of where the defender will be in relation to his targets. You contrast that with Brock finding Kittle in the playoffs making up his own routs and being somewhat open somewhere he is not suppose to be and hitting him for a crucial chunk play....it does look like these two have completely different abilities to see what is taking place in front of them.
There's an element of cleverness that is missing from Lance's game and jonnydel pointed it out well in his video breakdown - eye manipulation versus zone coverage. I don't know at what point a QB starts doing this but it must be done at the NFL level. Trust the pre snap read and while dropping back look somewhere else to open the passing lane to the route most likely to be open versus that coverage.
100%. That's a thing Brock had in spades and Kyle and John talked about it last season when he was playing. How well he was doing with eye manipulation. Jimmy would over-rely on it sometimes thinking he could give a quick look off and jam a ball in and he'd set himself up for a pick.
Nice breakdown of that first play where he took a sack. I thought he should have looked first the Double Stick to the left, but you showed why he looked right - CB playing with a cushion. I still think he should look to double stick, but now I understand why he didn't. It was nice to see him adjust and hit that same concept later in the game (Double stick to the right, hit a TE for a first down).
The Three man stick to the left was a good example of him not using his eyes to first move the hook defender. How'd you get All22 of the preseason?
Originally posted by Dshearn:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Dshearn:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Finished up the 49ers game and the negative talk about Trey Lance is overblown
— Coach K | Keith Sanchez (@TheTalentCode) August 15, 2023
Entire offense didn't play well. Fumbles, dropped passes, blown protections.
Trey had three throws that were bad but coachable moments but also had three high level completions
GIVE HIM TIME !!!
When I went back and watched, yes while it wasn't as bad as my emotions told me, it was still REALLY bad IMO.
There could be reasons for that that I can admit I wasn't giving enough consideration to, but that said, I've got to see him do much better than this by the end of preseason at minimum. Ideally bouncing back asap on Saturday.
There was errors that were not on Trey, mistakes were made in routs....almost certainly....
Having said that... there was more then 3 bad throws...my 8 am brain just woke up brain can think of at least 4. The overthrow on check down, the one handed catch in the middle of the field, and the two near INT.
Those are on top of his timing issues, missed plays and likely confusion with coverage.
We can give him credit for his three "high level completions", but 2 of them are against a prevent defense with less then 30 seconds before half time needing to drive the length of the field.....
Nah, that game was bad.... Trey will live to fight another day. but he has to learn from that game and push forward.
To me the biggest issue is he still has almost a complete lack of anticipation, and really does not progress well down the passing chart.
Some posters have been upset that Trey never got a shot this year to compete for QB1.....yeah....if this game is indicative of what the 49ers have seen in practice.... I get it.... I get why he is not competing for QB1.
This game Trey had a hard time processing down the passing chart. He is slow to do it, and has no anticipation of where the defender will be in relation to his targets. You contrast that with Brock finding Kittle in the playoffs making up his own routs and being somewhat open somewhere he is not suppose to be and hitting him for a crucial chunk play....it does look like these two have completely different abilities to see what is taking place in front of them.
There's an element of cleverness that is missing from Lance's game and jonnydel pointed it out well in his video breakdown - eye manipulation versus zone coverage. I don't know at what point a QB starts doing this but it must be done at the NFL level. Trust the pre snap read and while dropping back look somewhere else to open the passing lane to the route most likely to be open versus that coverage.
100%. That's a thing Brock had in spades and Kyle and John talked about it last season when he was playing. How well he was doing with eye manipulation. Jimmy would over-rely on it sometimes thinking he could give a quick look off and jam a ball in and he'd set himself up for a pick.
I honestly think Jimmy never came back from that injury........ I am sure he spent his entire football life pre-injury being able to just beat teams with quick throws aided by his release....
Makes me wonder about all these picks we are hearing about from Brock.....
I would have guessed Brock either new that playbook better then any rookie has a right too....or he gambled and won a lot.
Having not seen any of the practices, and knowing next to nothing....I would really have to think Brock is gambling and loosing... Could it be his arm? Injury got him messed up still? Or was this bound to happen like it does to every "gun slinger"?
I am 200% team Brock, but if it gambling.... Shanny has to put the screws down on him. There is a time and place for chaotic brilliance, but you cant build an offense around it.