Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Trey played horrible in this game but let's be honest, He was set up to fail in this game. He had so much he had to overcome in order to not look bad. For starters it's the 1st game he played in 11 months and before that had started 3 games in 9 months(1 being in a monsoon and the other playing less than a quarter). So really Trey has started 3 games in the last 20 Months. Secondly you add that the Raiders were at home and all hyped and were going all out like it was the SB, Both offense and defense. And thirdly you had Kyle who had a backup Oline where I am not sure any of them are going to make the team and on top of that he wasn't game planning at all. So basically Trey got thrown to the wolves and basically became the scapegoat for that entire game when everybody played bad or just didn't care and didn't really want to be there.

"What could the 49ers get for Lance?" Tim Kawakami asked in a recent feature for The Athletic. "In this scenario, I think they'd likely take a conditional fourth-round pick (based on 2023 playing time) in a blink. If I'm a QB-needy team without Super Bowl-or-bust pressures, I'd make that trade."

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Trey played horrible in this game but let's be honest, He was set up to fail in this game. He had so much he had to overcome in order to not look bad. For starters it's the 1st game he played in 11 months and before that had started 3 games in 9 months(1 being in a monsoon and the other playing less than a quarter). So really Trey has started 3 games in the last 20 Months. Secondly you add that the Raiders were at home and all hyped and were going all out like it was the SB, Both offense and defense. And thirdly you had Kyle who had a backup Oline where I am not sure any of them are going to make the team and on top of that he wasn't game planning at all. So basically Trey got thrown to the wolves and basically became the scapegoat for that entire game when everybody played bad or just didn't care and didn't really want to be there.

No. People isolated his performance from the rest of the team. When the pp breakdown quickly, we don't blame Trey. When the receiver drop the pass, we don't blame Trey either. All we know is Trey was gun-shy, missed quite a lot of chuck play opportunities, and still managed to throw 3 passes that should have been intercepted.

Darnold and Allen didn't managed to score on any of their drives. The rest of the team didn't help them, but we were much more impressive with their performance because they played well, at least much better than Trey.

Trey had a very poor performance. Just admit it and move on. He will still have opportunities in the rest of the preseason to prove he isn't that bad as a player.

Originally posted by tankle104:
"What could the 49ers get for Lance?" Tim Kawakami asked in a recent feature for The Athletic. "In this scenario, I think they'd likely take a conditional fourth-round pick (based on 2023 playing time) in a blink. If I'm a QB-needy team without Super Bowl-or-bust pressures, I'd make that trade."

Deal

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by tankle104:
"What could the 49ers get for Lance?" Tim Kawakami asked in a recent feature for The Athletic. "In this scenario, I think they'd likely take a conditional fourth-round pick (based on 2023 playing time) in a blink. If I'm a QB-needy team without Super Bowl-or-bust pressures, I'd make that trade."

Deal

His film from the games he's played must be pretty bad to drive your value down from a top 3 pick to a conditional fourth.. lol his injuries aren't ones that impact his ability like a torn ACL or anything. Even darnold fetched a 2nd and two other picks after his stint with the Jets and his 2000 turnovers. Just insane.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by tankle104:
"What could the 49ers get for Lance?" Tim Kawakami asked in a recent feature for The Athletic. "In this scenario, I think they'd likely take a conditional fourth-round pick (based on 2023 playing time) in a blink. If I'm a QB-needy team without Super Bowl-or-bust pressures, I'd make that trade."

Deal

We'd be better off keeping him and starting him if Purdy goes down. 1-2 solid regular season games from Trey and we could get a 2nd or conditional 1st. He's just gotta show it when it counts.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by tankle104:
"What could the 49ers get for Lance?" Tim Kawakami asked in a recent feature for The Athletic. "In this scenario, I think they'd likely take a conditional fourth-round pick (based on 2023 playing time) in a blink. If I'm a QB-needy team without Super Bowl-or-bust pressures, I'd make that trade."

Deal

We'd be better off keeping him and starting him if Purdy goes down. 1-2 solid regular season games from Trey and we could get a 2nd or conditional 1st. He's just gotta show it when it counts.

But if he is QB3, how likely will be get a start?

If you say based on our QB injury history, QB3 will likely start, then the question would be, is Allen a better QB than Trey, should we keep Allen as QB3? Can we afford to lose Allen?

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Finished up the 49ers game and the negative talk about Trey Lance is overblown

Entire offense didn't play well. Fumbles, dropped passes, blown protections.

Trey had three throws that were bad but coachable moments but also had three high level completions

GIVE HIM TIME !!!

— Coach K | Keith Sanchez (@TheTalentCode) August 15, 2023

When I went back and watched, yes while it wasn't as bad as my emotions told me, it was still REALLY bad IMO.

There could be reasons for that that I can admit I wasn't giving enough consideration to, but that said, I've got to see him do much better than this by the end of preseason at minimum. Ideally bouncing back asap on Saturday.

There was errors that were not on Trey, mistakes were made in routs....almost certainly....

Having said that... there was more then 3 bad throws...my 8 am brain just woke up brain can think of at least 4. The overthrow on check down, the one handed catch in the middle of the field, and the two near INT.

Those are on top of his timing issues, missed plays and likely confusion with coverage.

We can give him credit for his three "high level completions", but 2 of them are against a prevent defense with less then 30 seconds before half time needing to drive the length of the field.....

Nah, that game was bad.... Trey will live to fight another day. but he has to learn from that game and push forward.

To me the biggest issue is he still has almost a complete lack of anticipation, and really does not progress well down the passing chart.

Some posters have been upset that Trey never got a shot this year to compete for QB1.....yeah....if this game is indicative of what the 49ers have seen in practice.... I get it.... I get why he is not competing for QB1.

This game Trey had a hard time processing down the passing chart. He is slow to do it, and has no anticipation of where the defender will be in relation to his targets. You contrast that with Brock finding Kittle in the playoffs making up his own routs and being somewhat open somewhere he is not suppose to be and hitting him for a crucial chunk play....it does look like these two have completely different abilities to see what is taking place in front of them.

There's an element of cleverness that is missing from Lance's game and jonnydel pointed it out well in his video breakdown - eye manipulation versus zone coverage. I don't know at what point a QB starts doing this but it must be done at the NFL level. Trust the pre snap read and while dropping back look somewhere else to open the passing lane to the route most likely to be open versus that coverage.

100%. That's a thing Brock had in spades and Kyle and John talked about it last season when he was playing. How well he was doing with eye manipulation. Jimmy would over-rely on it sometimes thinking he could give a quick look off and jam a ball in and he'd set himself up for a pick.

Nice breakdown of that first play where he took a sack. I thought he should have looked first the Double Stick to the left, but you showed why he looked right - CB playing with a cushion. I still think he should look to double stick, but now I understand why he didn't. It was nice to see him adjust and hit that same concept later in the game (Double stick to the right, hit a TE for a first down).

The Three man stick to the left was a good example of him not using his eyes to first move the hook defender. How'd you get All22 of the preseason?

A good friend hooked me up this year with the NFL copy. Under cindition of anonymity

Nice. I don't want the preseason all22, just wondering how you got it.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by tankle104:
"What could the 49ers get for Lance?" Tim Kawakami asked in a recent feature for The Athletic. "In this scenario, I think they'd likely take a conditional fourth-round pick (based on 2023 playing time) in a blink. If I'm a QB-needy team without Super Bowl-or-bust pressures, I'd make that trade."

Deal

We'd be better off keeping him and starting him if Purdy goes down. 1-2 solid regular season games from Trey and we could get a 2nd or conditional 1st. He's just gotta show it when it counts.

I think Sam is probably QB2, meaning even if BP goes down, TL doesn't help the 49ers. Allen would be a pretty darn good QB3. He is suited for it with his contract also. If TL is slotted in as QB3, we would want that contract off our books is my guess.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Here's why I'm 99.9% sure Kyle chose Lance and wasn't forced into it......

To pick a guy from a small conference with so little experience meant more big balls by the coach than one could ever reasonably "force" onto someone. I'm not sure Lance was super highly touted either where you'd feel compelled to make him the guy (kinda like RG3).

Fields, Wilson, Jones, would all make more sense being "forced" onto Kyle than Lance, if it ever came down to that.

Yeah....

When you ask yourself what is the mostly like thing that happened..... you are probably more often right then wrong....

Sure...maybe Trey was forced on Shanny....but I doubt it.....

It would almost have to be ownership if it was.

A franchise QB is a ton of work, a franchise QB that is so obviously green...is even more work.....

I just can't see that happening with out at least a Luke warm blessing from Shanny.

I always go back to that time shanny said something to the effect, I (or we) will not do that again.... in regards to taking someone with such limited experience at QB.

Trey is a very likable dude, and has a ton of positives.....this was likely a group effort that they talked themselves into Trey against their better judgment, thinking sureeee a year is a loonnnggg time...we can have him ready...... sit him behind Jimmy, get him up to speed. I could see something like that happening.

It's simple, they moved up and then over analyzed the prospects causing them to lose sight of the concrete indicators. Paralysis from over analysis. Which made them fall in love with Lance and the what could be and ignore the rest.

if we grabbed JF…. I'm pretty sure the end result would have been the same just on an another time scale. The only QB that is impressive is Trevor and we couldn't get him.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by tankle104:
"What could the 49ers get for Lance?" Tim Kawakami asked in a recent feature for The Athletic. "In this scenario, I think they'd likely take a conditional fourth-round pick (based on 2023 playing time) in a blink. If I'm a QB-needy team without Super Bowl-or-bust pressures, I'd make that trade."

Deal

We'd be better off keeping him and starting him if Purdy goes down. 1-2 solid regular season games from Trey and we could get a 2nd or conditional 1st. He's just gotta show it when it counts.

I think he'll actually restructure and stay with the 9ers on a backup salary.

Originally posted by Shorteous:
It's simple, they moved up and then over analyzed the prospects causing them to lose sight of the concrete indicators. Paralysis from over analysis. Which made them fall in love with Lance and the what could be and ignore the rest.

if we grabbed JF…. I'm pretty sure the end result would have been the same just on an another time scale. The only QB that is impressive is Trevor and we couldn't get him.

If we drafted everyone's favorite prospect Macaroni Jones, we could have least confidently shipped out JG and saved money. His production was near identical to Jimmy's in 21 as a rookie, in a worse situation, and came at a fraction of the cost. Is his theoretical ceiling as high as Lance's or Fields'… maybe not… but we could have worked with his floor and he also has potential to get better. Everyone wants a Lamar Jackson runner with Drew Brees passing, but we at least want a point guard to get the ball out to all the stars we have. That ability was all over the fat man's tape.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Shorteous:
It's simple, they moved up and then over analyzed the prospects causing them to lose sight of the concrete indicators. Paralysis from over analysis. Which made them fall in love with Lance and the what could be and ignore the rest.

if we grabbed JF…. I'm pretty sure the end result would have been the same just on an another time scale. The only QB that is impressive is Trevor and we couldn't get him.

If we drafted everyone's favorite prospect Macaroni Jones, we could have least confidently shipped out JG and saved money. His production was near identical to Jimmy's in 21 as a rookie, in a worse situation, and came at a fraction of the cost. Is his theoretical ceiling as high as Lance's or Fields'… maybe not… but we could have worked with his floor and he also has potential to get better. Everyone wants a Lamar Jackson runner with Drew Brees passing, but we at least want a point guard to get the ball out to all the stars we have. That ability was all over the fat man's tape.

I think it's time to recalculate Treys theoretical ceiling

Originally posted by Shorteous:
I think it's time to recalculate Treys theoretical ceiling

I just don't believe in that concept really at all. All of those guys ceilings is great QB, just in different ways. More 'tools' just gives you more ways to do it… and a lot of times those tools are overstated or misevaluated.

Maybe the plan is to let Lance develop like Rodgers did behind Favre.