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Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Disrespect Anne Schedeen again and find out what happens punk
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I'm all aboard the Purdy train, but this wasn't a choice presented to us in the '21 draft.
Hypothetically, I'm taking Purdy over Fields, Jones, or Lance and not looking back.
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by JTB1974:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
What do you mean? Every high draft pick gets scrutinized. Wentz, Goff, Mayfield, Murray, etc the and they have showed a lot more than Lance. And way less capital was used for some. The only way to quite the media is playing well. And even then it's not enough. It's not unique to Lance. He's just the latest. I don't see why some are trying to make this personal. What's worse is that there is a segment of our fan base is trying to turn this into a race thing when it's been like this for years.
Never to this extent.
It just feels like that to you, and others, because you all let yourselves get too emotionally invested before the kid proved he could play. I hope it doesn't get worse if he doesn't pan out, some of the pro Trey crowd are flat out Maga madness level insane with the excuses and mental gymnastics.
Originally posted by mattster03:
Between HS, college, NFL pre season and season play, Lance has 591 pass attemps
Originally posted by mattster03:
Between HS, college, NFL pre season and season play, Lance has 591 pass attemps
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Dshearn:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Finished up the 49ers game and the negative talk about Trey Lance is overblown
— Coach K | Keith Sanchez (@TheTalentCode) August 15, 2023
Entire offense didn't play well. Fumbles, dropped passes, blown protections.
Trey had three throws that were bad but coachable moments but also had three high level completions
GIVE HIM TIME !!!
When I went back and watched, yes while it wasn't as bad as my emotions told me, it was still REALLY bad IMO.
There could be reasons for that that I can admit I wasn't giving enough consideration to, but that said, I've got to see him do much better than this by the end of preseason at minimum. Ideally bouncing back asap on Saturday.
There was errors that were not on Trey, mistakes were made in routs....almost certainly....
Having said that... there was more then 3 bad throws...my 8 am brain just woke up brain can think of at least 4. The overthrow on check down, the one handed catch in the middle of the field, and the two near INT.
Those are on top of his timing issues, missed plays and likely confusion with coverage.
We can give him credit for his three "high level completions", but 2 of them are against a prevent defense with less then 30 seconds before half time needing to drive the length of the field.....
Nah, that game was bad.... Trey will live to fight another day. but he has to learn from that game and push forward.
To me the biggest issue is he still has almost a complete lack of anticipation, and really does not progress well down the passing chart.
Some posters have been upset that Trey never got a shot this year to compete for QB1.....yeah....if this game is indicative of what the 49ers have seen in practice.... I get it.... I get why he is not competing for QB1.
This game Trey had a hard time processing down the passing chart. He is slow to do it, and has no anticipation of where the defender will be in relation to his targets. You contrast that with Brock finding Kittle in the playoffs making up his own routs and being somewhat open somewhere he is not suppose to be and hitting him for a crucial chunk play....it does look like these two have completely different abilities to see what is taking place in front of them.
There's an element of cleverness that is missing from Lance's game and jonnydel pointed it out well in his video breakdown - eye manipulation versus zone coverage. I don't know at what point a QB starts doing this but it must be done at the NFL level. Trust the pre snap read and while dropping back look somewhere else to open the passing lane to the route most likely to be open versus that coverage.
100%. That's a thing Brock had in spades and Kyle and John talked about it last season when he was playing. How well he was doing with eye manipulation. Jimmy would over-rely on it sometimes thinking he could give a quick look off and jam a ball in and he'd set himself up for a pick.
Nice breakdown of that first play where he took a sack. I thought he should have looked first the Double Stick to the left, but you showed why he looked right - CB playing with a cushion. I still think he should look to double stick, but now I understand why he didn't. It was nice to see him adjust and hit that same concept later in the game (Double stick to the right, hit a TE for a first down).
The Three man stick to the left was a good example of him not using his eyes to first move the hook defender. How'd you get All22 of the preseason?
A good friend hooked me up this year with the NFL copy. Under cindition of anonymity
Nice. I don't want the preseason all22, just wondering how you got it.
Originally posted by mattster03:
Between HS, college, NFL pre season and season play, Lance has 591 pass attemps
Originally posted by mattster03:
Between HS, college, NFL pre season and season play, Lance has 591 pass attemps
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by mattster03:
Between HS, college, NFL pre season and season play, Lance has 591 pass attemps
Most inexperienced qb probably ever
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Interesting take from Steve Young. He doesn't think Trey is slow mentally or confused but he's thinking too much trying to be perfect. Certainly possible.
Trey seems capable of making some plays out there, but he has to just settle down and run the offense. He's overwhelmed, that's very clear. The reason he's overwhelmed could be many different reasons.
Everything we've heard says he knows the offense super well, so why didn't he execute it properly most of Sunday?
He wasn't trusting his reads. Why? If they're processing fine, what would make a guy hesitate? If you look at where Trey was looking, it wasn't that he couldn't progress through his options, he just wouldn't pull the trigger and then half the time panicked or was late on throw to the outlet or third read.
Originally posted by Shorteous:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by Shemp:
Originally posted by Shorteous:
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by Shorteous:
It's simple, they moved up and then over analyzed the prospects causing them to lose sight of the concrete indicators. Paralysis from over analysis. Which made them fall in love with Lance and the what could be and ignore the rest.
if we grabbed JF…. I'm pretty sure the end result would have been the same just on an another time scale. The only QB that is impressive is Trevor and we couldn't get him.
If we drafted everyone's favorite prospect Macaroni Jones, we could have least confidently shipped out JG and saved money. His production was near identical to Jimmy's in 21 as a rookie, in a worse situation, and came at a fraction of the cost. Is his theoretical ceiling as high as Lance's or Fields'… maybe not… but we could have worked with his floor and he also has potential to get better. Everyone wants a Lamar Jackson runner with Drew Brees passing, but we at least want a point guard to get the ball out to all the stars we have. That ability was all over the fat man's tape.
I think it's time to recalculate Treys theoretical ceiling
You're welcome.
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by JTB1974:
Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
What do you mean? Every high draft pick gets scrutinized. Wentz, Goff, Mayfield, Murray, etc the and they have showed a lot more than Lance. And way less capital was used for some. The only way to quite the media is playing well. And even then it's not enough. It's not unique to Lance. He's just the latest. I don't see why some are trying to make this personal. What's worse is that there is a segment of our fan base is trying to turn this into a race thing when it's been like this for years.
Never to this extent.
It just feels like that to you, and others, because you all let yourselves get too emotionally invested before the kid proved he could play. I hope it doesn't get worse if he doesn't pan out, some of the pro Trey crowd are flat out Maga madness level insane with the excuses and mental gymnastics.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Interesting take from Steve Young. He doesn't think Trey is slow mentally or confused but he's thinking too much trying to be perfect. Certainly possible.
Trey seems capable of making some plays out there, but he has to just settle down and run the offense. He's overwhelmed, that's very clear. The reason he's overwhelmed could be many different reasons.
Everything we've heard says he knows the offense super well, so why didn't he execute it properly most of Sunday?
He wasn't trusting his reads. Why? If they're processing fine, what would make a guy hesitate? If you look at where Trey was looking, it wasn't that he couldn't progress through his options, he just wouldn't pull the trigger and then half the time panicked or was late on throw to the outlet or third read.
