Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Interesting take from Steve Young. He doesn't think Trey is slow mentally or confused but he's thinking too much trying to be perfect. Certainly possible.

Trey seems capable of making some plays out there, but he has to just settle down and run the offense. He's overwhelmed, that's very clear. The reason he's overwhelmednder could be many different reasons.

Everything we've heard says he knows the offense super well, so why didn't he execute it properly most of Sunday?

He wasn't trusting his reads. Why? If they're processing fine, what would make a guy hesitate? If you look at where Trey was looking, it wasn't that he couldn't progress through his options, he just wouldn't pull the trigger and then half the time panicked or was late on throw to the outlet or third read.

Trey's probably never had to deal with the adversity he's dealing with right now and it kind of shows in his tentativeness. He's been privileged athlete and starter from the git go wherever he's been. This is a new experience for him being a backup and bench warmer. It kind of shows in his game as tentativeness or uncertainty because he's pressing. He's used to being The Man, not the bench warmer, and it's something he has to overcome. Being relegated to bench warmer probably has taken a toll on his confidence. It's up to Kyle to remedy that as best as he can - but it's on Trey's shoulders to overcome this adversity as Steve said in his interview. Steve had to deal with the same thing backing up Joe.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Interesting take from Steve Young. He doesn't think Trey is slow mentally or confused but he's thinking too much trying to be perfect. Certainly possible.

Trey seems capable of making some plays out there, but he has to just settle down and run the offense. He's overwhelmed, that's very clear. The reason he's overwhelmed could be many different reasons.

Everything we've heard says he knows the offense super well, so why didn't he execute it properly most of Sunday?

He wasn't trusting his reads. Why? If they're processing fine, what would make a guy hesitate? If you look at where Trey was looking, it wasn't that he couldn't progress through his options, he just wouldn't pull the trigger and then half the time panicked or was late on throw to the outlet or third read.

I know we hate the guy and he is the very definition of douchebag, but Daniel Kelly, the alleged former jets scout, called out this issue with Trey even in college. He hesitated to pull the trigger even with guys open. This has been a problem for him.

I mean, hate all you want but he seemed like a fortune teller with this take after the 2022 draft

It's weird, at some point Trey has to figure out where he can throw the ball. He's never gonna learn if he doesn't attempt to hit guys.

And another thing, communicate with your teammates, let them know what works for you on certain routes etc.

If Trey wants them to come back to the ball or move to a certain spot on launch to make the curl a safer throw, tell your guy you intend to put it in a certain location on those plays if you see a squatter. At least then they're aware of you might do and can be prepared to adjust. That stuff matters. I read an article today about how Mahomes does this exact thing with his receivers.

Outside of that, you have to adjust to the NFL game in terms of throwing when guys aren't wide open. Alex Smith had this same issue and threw a ton of picks early on. While he did still play a bit more conservative until he got to KC, eventually he found a sweet spot between limiting risks without always passing on the chance to let a guy try to make a play.

I think right now Trey's lack of experience is a major hindrance in his ability to trust whether he can attempt certain throws, but he's not helping himself by refusing to try.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Interesting take from Steve Young. He doesn't think Trey is slow mentally or confused but he's thinking too much trying to be perfect. Certainly possible.

Trey seems capable of making some plays out there, but he has to just settle down and run the offense. He's overwhelmed, that's very clear. The reason he's overwhelmednder could be many different reasons.

Everything we've heard says he knows the offense super well, so why didn't he execute it properly most of Sunday?

He wasn't trusting his reads. Why? If they're processing fine, what would make a guy hesitate? If you look at where Trey was looking, it wasn't that he couldn't progress through his options, he just wouldn't pull the trigger and then half the time panicked or was late on throw to the outlet or third read.

Trey's probably never had to deal with the adversity he's dealing with right now and it kind of shows in his tentativeness. He's been privileged athlete and starter from the git go wherever he's been. This is a new experience for him being a backup and bench warmer. It kind of shows in his game as tentativeness or uncertainty because he's pressing. He's used to being The Man, not the bench warmer, and it's something he has to overcome. Being relegated to bench warmer probably has taken a toll on his confidence. It's up to Kyle to remedy that as best as he can - but it's on Trey's shoulders to overcome this adversity as Steve said in his interview. Steve had to deal with the same thing backing up Joe.

Treys hesitation reminds me of a younger Alex smith. Needed to know everything and it needed to be perfect for him to execute, which is an issue. He needs to get through it. I don't personally think Trey doesn't know what's going on, I think he's struggling to feel confident with the timing because he's inexperienced and hasn't played much in the last 5-6 yeaes. Lol especially at the nfl speed

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by mattster03:
Between HS, college, NFL pre season and season play, Lance has 591 pass attemps

Yup, he played 9 games in high school in varsity and attempted 99 passes. One season in college with like 317 pass attempts. Has to be the rawest player ever drafted that high as a QB. All at super low competition programs too

Just blows my mind. He's literally never lead a 2 minute drill in a live game. This is why I've never understood how people can say he's super talented and all that. How did you come to that conclusion!? On what film? Lol it's impossible.

he would be inexperienced and raw for most of the really good high school programs right now

ShanaLynch laid a massive egg.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Interesting take from Steve Young. He doesn't think Trey is slow mentally or confused but he's thinking too much trying to be perfect. Certainly possible.

Trey seems capable of making some plays out there, but he has to just settle down and run the offense. He's overwhelmed, that's very clear. The reason he's overwhelmed could be many different reasons.

Everything we've heard says he knows the offense super well, so why didn't he execute it properly most of Sunday?

He wasn't trusting his reads. Why? If they're processing fine, what would make a guy hesitate? If you look at where Trey was looking, it wasn't that he couldn't progress through his options, he just wouldn't pull the trigger and then half the time panicked or was late on throw to the outlet or third read.

It shows when he is in the pocket... it's not off instincts like when he first got in the league where he just ran out of there.... you see him try to do everything that he trained over the past few years. Protecting the ball with both hands while he hitches forward or around chaos, still looking down field. Now usually this is a good thing... he has to keep with this until it becomes natural.

Another example is when he leaves the pocket, where some think his athleticism is overrated....where as, imo, it's just because he's trying to be too perfect looking downfield instead of committing 100% to running forward. He's shown his quickness already.. has shown his agility already... but that slight hesitation is enough for these NFL defenders to catch up.

Again I feel he will be fine, he just needs to be out there more often. Time is ticking though, as far as playing time.

Garbage QB. It will take him 10 years to figure out how to be remotely functional. Cut him or trade him. He was over drafted. Luckily we have the savior on board. Under a different name and draft status. So we got bailed out of this stupidity.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Garbage QB. It will take him 10 years to figure out how to be remotely functional. Cut him or trade him. He was over drafted. Luckily we have the savior on board. Under a different name and draft status. So we got bailed out of this stupidity.

Cutting Lance isn't an option, it would be incredibly dumb. It would cost us more to the salary cap to cut him then it would to keep him. The only options are keep him or trade him.

Then it becomes a question of what is he worth and is it worth it to lose the depth for a mid round pick (or whatever his value is).

I'd suggest we wait until the end of the pre season and see how he looks, he may be much improved and this last week was just rust and nerves.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Interesting take from Steve Young. He doesn't think Trey is slow mentally or confused but he's thinking too much trying to be perfect. Certainly possible.

Trey seems capable of making some plays out there, but he has to just settle down and run the offense. He's overwhelmed, that's very clear. The reason he's overwhelmed could be many different reasons.

Everything we've heard says he knows the offense super well, so why didn't he execute it properly most of Sunday?

He wasn't trusting his reads. Why? If they're processing fine, what would make a guy hesitate? If you look at where Trey was looking, it wasn't that he couldn't progress through his options, he just wouldn't pull the trigger and then half the time panicked or was late on throw to the outlet or third read.

listened to it....

Steve knows way more then I will ever know....but I disagree with the idea that Trey is understanding what he is seeing. Or that Trey trying to be perfect is the issue.....dude every QB in the NFL is trying to be perfect. It is damn near in the job description.

If I had to play mind shrink and try to understand what trey is thinking....I dont think Trey was going for the perfect pass, I think Trey has sat in tons of QB meetings hearing tons of praise for Brock making chunk plays....and he simply is in that middle ground between this is what I do......and this is what I want to do.

He wants to make chunk plays, and he is still developing the ability to anticipate passing windows to get that ball deeper. He is not 100% sure on what he is seeing and it is messing him up.

If he understood what he was seeing, there was chunk plays all over that Raiders game to make... if that is the case....then.... he was not progressing down his reads fast enough. One, the other or both....we know guys were open, we know the line held up often enough to make plays....and we ended up with check downs...well minus 2 of the 3 chunk plays with under 30 seconds on the clock when the prevent defense gave him the middle of the field to protect the sidelines.

Assuming he understands the playbook, and he knows where his guys are suppose to be....If the dude is afraid, or gun-shy.... to me that means he does not understand what he is seeing well enough to throw the ball.

Anyways I hate it for the dude. Trey is a good guy, lets see how he does this weekend and hope for the best. I hope he can come out of this pre-season proud of what he has done. 2nd, 3rd really does not matter to me...I want him to have been successful enough that he can be honest with himself and see a path forward to continue his development.

Let's hope he can stay healthy, put in good work every week and grow as a QB.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Garbage QB. It will take him 10 years to figure out how to be remotely functional. Cut him or trade him. He was over drafted. Luckily we have the savior on board. Under a different name and draft status. So we got bailed out of this stupidity.

Lol at cutting him. Do you even slightly understand the salary cap? And why would they even do that now? Another trash SD take

Kurt Warner with some words of.wisdom.

Eventually trey may learn to pull the trigger when he needs to consistently. Eventually the game slows down for him and he becomes a good qb. My problem, and it has always been my problem, is that he always needed that time to learn. The niners new he was going to be a project. Bu they also knew they had a win now roster. It didn't make any sense to draft him knowing this. How the niners couldn't see this as a potential problem is baffling.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Interesting take from Steve Young. He doesn't think Trey is slow mentally or confused but he's thinking too much trying to be perfect. Certainly possible.

Trey seems capable of making some plays out there, but he has to just settle down and run the offense. He's overwhelmed, that's very clear. The reason he's overwhelmednder could be many different reasons.

Everything we've heard says he knows the offense super well, so why didn't he execute it properly most of Sunday?

He wasn't trusting his reads. Why? If they're processing fine, what would make a guy hesitate? If you look at where Trey was looking, it wasn't that he couldn't progress through his options, he just wouldn't pull the trigger and then half the time panicked or was late on throw to the outlet or third read.

Trey's probably never had to deal with the adversity he's dealing with right now and it kind of shows in his tentativeness. He's been privileged athlete and starter from the git go wherever he's been. This is a new experience for him being a backup and bench warmer. It kind of shows in his game as tentativeness or uncertainty because he's pressing. He's used to being The Man, not the bench warmer, and it's something he has to overcome. Being relegated to bench warmer probably has taken a toll on his confidence. It's up to Kyle to remedy that as best as he can - but it's on Trey's shoulders to overcome this adversity as Steve said in his interview. Steve had to deal with the same thing backing up Joe.

Treys hesitation reminds me of a younger Alex smith. Needed to know everything and it needed to be perfect for him to execute, which is an issue. He needs to get through it. I don't personally think Trey doesn't know what's going on, I think he's struggling to feel confident with the timing because he's inexperienced and hasn't played much in the last 5-6 yeaes. Lol especially at the nfl speed

Yeah, he can give up, or keep grinding and making mistakes - taking the heat (as he is now) - and just keep going through the adversity. That's all he can do right now - if he really wants to be a QB in the NFL, and do well in Kyle's system. Kyle wants Trey to do well, so he'll give him the needed reps and quality reps that specifically will develop him, but Kyle also has to develop Brock and so Trey has to squeeze out the learning from every rep, the way Mullens and Brock have done. It's a new way of learning for him because he's been The Man for so long in his brief experience as QB. He did get all the reps, now he doesn't.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Garbage QB. It will take him 10 years to figure out how to be remotely functional. Cut him or trade him. He was over drafted. Luckily we have the savior on board. Under a different name and draft status. So we got bailed out of this stupidity.

A guy with one year of high school and one year of college torched a bottom feeding NFL team in his first year as a healthy rookie and you want to toss him out the window? Come on now!

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Garbage QB. It will take him 10 years to figure out how to be remotely functional. Cut him or trade him. He was over drafted. Luckily we have the savior on board. Under a different name and draft status. So we got bailed out of this stupidity.

Cutting Lance isn't an option, it would be incredibly dumb. It would cost us more to the salary cap to cut him then it would to keep him. The only options are keep him or trade him.

Then it becomes a question of what is he worth and is it worth it to lose the depth for a mid round pick (or whatever his value is).

I'd suggest we wait until the end of the pre season and see how he looks, he may be much improved and this last week was just rust and nerves.

Rawness and Nerves is my guess. He's talented. He has the body to play in the NFL. Now his mind has to catch up to his body, or at least to Brock's rookie level intangibles. Steve says he can do it, he's done it before in bits and pieces because I've seen it also (Houston game as a rookie), it's up to Trey to learn and grow. Brock is a blessing to Trey because it takes the pressure off Trey to *win now or go home* and just incubate and develop in Kyle's system. As long as Kyle thinks he's growing and learning and can NET contribute as a valuable injury backup to the team (minus his cap space liability) he'll be a 49er.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Interesting take from Steve Young. He doesn't think Trey is slow mentally or confused but he's thinking too much trying to be perfect. Certainly possible.

Trey seems capable of making some plays out there, but he has to just settle down and run the offense. He's overwhelmed, that's very clear. The reason he's overwhelmed could be many different reasons.

Everything we've heard says he knows the offense super well, so why didn't he execute it properly most of Sunday?

He wasn't trusting his reads. Why? If they're processing fine, what would make a guy hesitate? If you look at where Trey was looking, it wasn't that he couldn't progress through his options, he just wouldn't pull the trigger and then half the time panicked or was late on throw to the outlet or third read.

listened to it....

Steve knows way more then I will ever know....but I disagree with the idea that Trey is understanding what he is seeing. Or that Trey trying to be perfect is the issue.....dude every QB in the NFL is trying to be perfect. It is damn near in the job description.

If I had to play mind shrink and try to understand what trey is thinking....I dont think Trey was going for the perfect pass, I think Trey has sat in tons of QB meetings hearing tons of praise for Brock making chunk plays....and he simply is in that middle ground between this is what I do......and this is what I want to do.

He wants to make chunk plays, and he is still developing the ability to anticipate passing windows to get that ball deeper. He is not 100% sure on what he is seeing and it is messing him up.

If he understood what he was seeing, there was chunk plays all over that Raiders game to make... if that is the case....then.... he was not progressing down his reads fast enough. One, the other or both....we know guys were open, we know the line held up often enough to make plays....and we ended up with check downs...well minus 2 of the 3 chunk plays with under 30 seconds on the clock when the prevent defense gave him the middle of the field to protect the sidelines.

Assuming he understands the playbook, and he knows where his guys are suppose to be....If the dude is afraid, or gun-shy.... to me that means he does not understand what he is seeing well enough to throw the ball.

Anyways I hate it for the dude. Trey is a good guy, lets see how he does this weekend and hope for the best. I hope he can come out of this pre-season proud of what he has done. 2nd, 3rd really does not matter to me...I want him to have been successful enough that he can be honest with himself and see a path forward to continue his development.

Let's hope he can stay healthy, put in good work every week and grow as a QB.

Bottom line, it's inexperience. It's on the job learning. He knows intellectually what needs to be done, but in the real world, with real variables like Poe missing his block - those can't be practiced in the classroom and in training camp. OLinemen don't intentionally miss blocks in training camp to help the QB learn to deal with an unblocked pass rusher. There are just some things in games that can't be replicated in practice. Tankle has it right. One year of high school, one year of college, and people expect him to be a young Kurt Warner in the pocket. Come on now!