Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I stand by the idea that there is zero logic in trading Trey Lance.

Let me give you the logic:

1. We save dollars
2. We keep Allen (who we seem to like)
3. We don't keep pouring reps into TL, if we feel he has no future here
4. We remove an awkward situation from the QB room; and a potential distraction, in the constant 'what will SF do with TL?'
5. We get a pick or pick swap in return
6. It doesn't look like he can play; or that he has enough of a roadmap to the games he needs to develop, on the rook contract.
7. We do right by the player, if he has no gameday role here, maybe he can be a QB2 or active on gameday, with a clean slate and new team

There's the logic, you can disagree with it, but there it is, no doubt about it

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Interesting take from Steve Young. He doesn't think Trey is slow mentally or confused but he's thinking too much trying to be perfect. Certainly possible.

Trey seems capable of making some plays out there, but he has to just settle down and run the offense. He's overwhelmed, that's very clear. The reason he's overwhelmednder could be many different reasons.

Everything we've heard says he knows the offense super well, so why didn't he execute it properly most of Sunday?

He wasn't trusting his reads. Why? If they're processing fine, what would make a guy hesitate? If you look at where Trey was looking, it wasn't that he couldn't progress through his options, he just wouldn't pull the trigger and then half the time panicked or was late on throw to the outlet or third read.

Trey's probably never had to deal with the adversity he's dealing with right now and it kind of shows in his tentativeness. He's been privileged athlete and starter from the git go wherever he's been. This is a new experience for him being a backup and bench warmer. It kind of shows in his game as tentativeness or uncertainty because he's pressing. He's used to being The Man, not the bench warmer, and it's something he has to overcome. Being relegated to bench warmer probably has taken a toll on his confidence. It's up to Kyle to remedy that as best as he can - but it's on Trey's shoulders to overcome this adversity as Steve said in his interview. Steve had to deal with the same thing backing up Joe.

Treys hesitation reminds me of a younger Alex smith. Needed to know everything and it needed to be perfect for him to execute, which is an issue. He needs to get through it. I don't personally think Trey doesn't know what's going on, I think he's struggling to feel confident with the timing because he's inexperienced and hasn't played much in the last 5-6 yeaes. Lol especially at the nfl speed

Yeah, he can give up, or keep grinding and making mistakes - taking the heat (as he is now) - and just keep going through the adversity. That's all he can do right now - if he really wants to be a QB in the NFL, and do well in Kyle's system. Kyle wants Trey to do well, so he'll give him the needed reps and quality reps that specifically will develop him, but Kyle also has to develop Brock and so Trey has to squeeze out the learning from every rep, the way Mullens and Brock have done. It's a new way of learning for him because he's been The Man for so long in his brief experience as QB. He did get all the reps, now he doesn't.

The way he keeps talking about taking advantage of reps, it's no secret he realizes he simply hasn't seen things enough to trust what he's seeing.

Practice reps aren't helping him enough, he clearly needs a lot of live reps. I'd like to see him play an entire half Saturday, even if it's just the second half.

In the back of my mind, I kind of wonder if he is worth keeping as a third QB going forward if that situation presents itself. My guess is that doesn't happen and he does up a backup somewhere else.

Is he worth keeping? Well if he continues to progress, I would say yes. He's no better than a rookie QB that has a two year contract with the 49ers right now. He does add some depth if he continues to develop. Dude has an arm and legs to play in the NFL. He has an NFL body, now he just needs to have an NFL brain. Who better to develop that brain than the one who's worked miracles with a guy like Jimmy. Point being, Kyle's had enough experience himself with good and bad QB's to basically tell who's redeemable and who isn't. Kyle basically fired himself from another NFL team because he refused to work with a QB he thought sucked.

It's an interest situation. The thing that intrigues me is that, despite his clear excitement for Sam Darnold, Kyle doesn't sound at all like he's given up on Trey. Usually it's pretty obvious if he's lost faith in a guy, or is doubting someone (see Pettis). Not getting that vibe with Trey.

Guess we'll see going forward.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

I stand by the idea that there is zero logic in trading Trey Lance.

Agree.

IMO, if Trey gets traded, it would make more sense sometime between the end of this season and next seasons deadline

Originally posted by Youngone:
The over the top hate on Trey after that preseason game is absolutely pathetic.

Hate make you sound like a drama queen. It's not hate, he's just not good. That's fine, I wish him well, but I want the best players in all positions on my team. Do you hate Nate Sudfeld because you don't want him as your QB2?

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by lamontb:
There is clearly a major difference between Lance and Fields in terms of running ability. Makes you really question WTF our FO was looking at.

It's a big reason why I was so confident we would take fields. The way kyle was talking about have a dual threat and playing 11-11, I didn't see it with Lance. I thought it was crystal clear with fields.

he has above average mobility, he isn't a statue, but he also isn't mobile enough to design into a gameplan and make plays for it. IMO, he moves well enough to create time and opportunity when a play breaks down but doesn't have the agility, elusiveness, or quickness to have a designed run game around. I don't think I saw him beat a defender to the edge once on a designed run play.

Meh, he's a lot more mobile than Jimmy. With a stronger arm and taller.

Yet not one GM in the league would take Lance over Jimmy G.

Lynch did. 2022.

Um, maybe because he gave up 3 first round picks already for Lance and had no choice but to eat his own dog food?

Whatever the reason, the idea that not one GM would take Lance over Jimmy is obviously incorrect.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by lamontb:
There is clearly a major difference between Lance and Fields in terms of running ability. Makes you really question WTF our FO was looking at.

It's a big reason why I was so confident we would take fields. The way kyle was talking about have a dual threat and playing 11-11, I didn't see it with Lance. I thought it was crystal clear with fields.

he has above average mobility, he isn't a statue, but he also isn't mobile enough to design into a gameplan and make plays for it. IMO, he moves well enough to create time and opportunity when a play breaks down but doesn't have the agility, elusiveness, or quickness to have a designed run game around. I don't think I saw him beat a defender to the edge once on a designed run play.

Meh, he's a lot more mobile than Jimmy. With a stronger arm and taller.

Yet not one GM in the league would take Lance over Jimmy G.

Lynch did. 2022.

Um, maybe because he gave up 3 first round picks already for Lance and had no choice but to eat his own dog food?

Whatever the reason, the idea that not one GM would take Lance over Jimmy is obviously incorrect.

I think he was talking about now, not 2 and a half years ago.

Originally posted by 49ersFan_vienna:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
What's disgusting? What did DL do?

ML

Oh yeah. Was way over the line , but par for the course for him

Originally posted by prospector49:

Originally posted by Youngone:
The over the top hate on Trey after that preseason game is absolutely pathetic.

Hate make you sound like a drama queen. It's not hate, he's just not good. That's fine, I wish him well, but I want the best players in all positions on my team. Do you hate Nate Sudfeld because you don't want him as your QB2?

Mike Silver had a recent piece on the subject of fans making the topic of Lance emotional and not as a football decision / opinion. Rich Eisen has talked about it recently also. As usual, it's just about what is best for the squad. I don't see holding on to a large cap hit who isn't playing games as a smart move. I liked Suds, but just cuz I thought maybe he could help the team, as a backup. Course, he was let go, cuz we had a certain Brock Purdy. It was a great move for the team, tough for Suds I am sure, but hey that's part of pro football.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I stand by the idea that there is zero logic in trading Trey Lance.

Let me give you the logic:

1. We save dollars
2. We keep Allen (who we seem to like)
3. We don't keep pouring reps into TL, if we feel he has no future here
4. We remove an awkward situation from the QB room; and a potential distraction, in the constant 'what will SF do with TL?'
5. We get a pick or pick swap in return
6. It doesn't look like he can play; or that he has enough of a roadmap to the games he needs to develop, on the rook contract.
7. We do right by the player, if he has no gameday role here, maybe he can be a QB2 or active on gameday, with a clean slate and new team

There's the logic, you can disagree with it, but there it is, no doubt about it

It is amazing SteveWallacesHelmet couldn't think of even just one of you many points.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I stand by the idea that there is zero logic in trading Trey Lance.

Let me give you the logic:

1. We save dollars
2. We keep Allen (who we seem to like)
3. We don't keep pouring reps into TL, if we feel he has no future here
4. We remove an awkward situation from the QB room; and a potential distraction, in the constant 'what will SF do with TL?'
5. We get a pick or pick swap in return
6. It doesn't look like he can play; or that he has enough of a roadmap to the games he needs to develop, on the rook contract.
7. We do right by the player, if he has no gameday role here, maybe he can be a QB2 or active on gameday, with a clean slate and new team

There's the logic, you can disagree with it, but there it is, no doubt about it

well stated, some are just too caught up in Trey hopeium and caught up in denial that they just can't accept this logic

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I stand by the idea that there is zero logic in trading Trey Lance.

Let me give you the logic:

1. We save dollars these saved dollars wont help the team improve today
2. We keep Allen (who we seem to like) Seem being the operative word. No fan (you and I included), has any idea if this is true.
3. We don't keep pouring reps into TL, if we feel he has no future here And Darnold on a one year deal does?
4. We remove an awkward situation from the QB room; and a potential distraction, in the constant 'what will SF do with TL?' these are professionals. Trey being QB2 or QB3 wont be a distraction
5. We get a pick or pick swap in return his value is really low right now. Trading him for a low level pick is useless
6. It doesn't look like he can play; or that he has enough of a roadmap to the games he needs to develop, on the rook contract. Dont buy the first part. Him not having a roadmap to play doesnt mean we should just dump him
7. We do right by the player, if he has no gameday role here, maybe he can be a QB2 or active on gameday, with a clean slate and new team trading him now doesnt give him a gameday role either.

There's the logic, you can disagree with it, but there it is, no doubt about it if you want to argue that bad logic = logic, then sure, there is logic

Trading Trey will not help this team now. The money savings doesnt matter now. The draft pick we would get wouldnt move the needle. Next offseason, we would still have to look for a QB2 if we traded him now. It wouldnt be doing right by Trey now, because its far too late for him to get a meaningful role with another team right now.

I stand by my statement. There is no logic in trading him. If you want to discuss this in the offseason, some of this changes.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by lamontb:
There is clearly a major difference between Lance and Fields in terms of running ability. Makes you really question WTF our FO was looking at.

It's a big reason why I was so confident we would take fields. The way kyle was talking about have a dual threat and playing 11-11, I didn't see it with Lance. I thought it was crystal clear with fields.

he has above average mobility, he isn't a statue, but he also isn't mobile enough to design into a gameplan and make plays for it. IMO, he moves well enough to create time and opportunity when a play breaks down but doesn't have the agility, elusiveness, or quickness to have a designed run game around. I don't think I saw him beat a defender to the edge once on a designed run play.

Meh, he's a lot more mobile than Jimmy. With a stronger arm and taller.

He's definitely more mobile than jimmy. Jimmy looks way more athletic than he is. It's kinda surprising how slow he was. Lol or at least never attempted to run much.

Lance isn't a statue, I think where the negativity behind his mobility comes is that Kyle billed the whole selection like he wanted to play 11-11 and have that threat on every play. Almost like a fields or Lamar threat.

tbh if Lance was quicker/more agile, it would help His passing lanes open up a lot more because of the hesiststikn it would cause defenders. That's what it does for Lamar, he really isn't a very accurate QB (he isn't inaccurate) but he isn't someone who you'd necessarily worry about dicing you up if he stays in the pocket. He's just so special with his mobility that it makes it easier for him to have bigger throwing windows.

On Trey's mobility - the guy put in over one thousand yards on the ground in college. I think he can operate a Lamar Jackson Roman offense. Now he's not Lamar, that's a given, but I think Greg Roman would still make Trey work in his offense. Trey's mobility still enables the 11 on 11 play on those run/pass options and short yardage situations despite his lack of short area burst like Brock/Lamar. Having said that, Trey's potential as a pocket passer is even higher than (I think) Lamar Jackson's. Again, I rely on Kyle's assessment on this and my own eyes seeing him play. As for his processor, both Steve and Kurt said it's not an obsolete processor, it's just in the beginning stages of development. I'd weigh these opinions higher than Greg Cosell's or Mike Lombardie's thank you.

Originally posted by prospector49:

Originally posted by Youngone:
The over the top hate on Trey after that preseason game is absolutely pathetic.

Hate make you sound like a drama queen. It's not hate, he's just not good. That's fine, I wish him well, but I want the best players in all positions on my team. Do you hate Nate Sudfeld because you don't want him as your QB2?

THIS

has nothing to do with the person and everything to do with TL's skills as a QB1

those that wan't to ascribe this as hate are just too caught up in their personal bias for the player and get too butt hurt over any type of criticism directed toward TL

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/170848-michael-lombardi-others-owe-49ers-trey-lance-apology/

Originally posted by prospector49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Interesting take from Steve Young. He doesn't think Trey is slow mentally or confused but he's thinking too much trying to be perfect. Certainly possible.

Trey seems capable of making some plays out there, but he has to just settle down and run the offense. He's overwhelmed, that's very clear. The reason he's overwhelmednder could be many different reasons.

Everything we've heard says he knows the offense super well, so why didn't he execute it properly most of Sunday?

He wasn't trusting his reads. Why? If they're processing fine, what would make a guy hesitate? If you look at where Trey was looking, it wasn't that he couldn't progress through his options, he just wouldn't pull the trigger and then half the time panicked or was late on throw to the outlet or third read.

Trey's probably never had to deal with the adversity he's dealing with right now and it kind of shows in his tentativeness. He's been privileged athlete and starter from the git go wherever he's been. This is a new experience for him being a backup and bench warmer. It kind of shows in his game as tentativeness or uncertainty because he's pressing. He's used to being The Man, not the bench warmer, and it's something he has to overcome. Being relegated to bench warmer probably has taken a toll on his confidence. It's up to Kyle to remedy that as best as he can - but it's on Trey's shoulders to overcome this adversity as Steve said in his interview. Steve had to deal with the same thing backing up Joe.

Treys hesitation reminds me of a younger Alex smith. Needed to know everything and it needed to be perfect for him to execute, which is an issue. He needs to get through it. I don't personally think Trey doesn't know what's going on, I think he's struggling to feel confident with the timing because he's inexperienced and hasn't played much in the last 5-6 yeaes. Lol especially at the nfl speed

Yeah, he can give up, or keep grinding and making mistakes - taking the heat (as he is now) - and just keep going through the adversity. That's all he can do right now - if he really wants to be a QB in the NFL, and do well in Kyle's system. Kyle wants Trey to do well, so he'll give him the needed reps and quality reps that specifically will develop him, but Kyle also has to develop Brock and so Trey has to squeeze out the learning from every rep, the way Mullens and Brock have done. It's a new way of learning for him because he's been The Man for so long in his brief experience as QB. He did get all the reps, now he doesn't.

The way he keeps talking about taking advantage of reps, it's no secret he realizes he simply hasn't seen things enough to trust what he's seeing.

Practice reps aren't helping him enough, he clearly needs a lot of live reps. I'd like to see him play an entire half Saturday, even if it's just the second half.

In the back of my mind, I kind of wonder if he is worth keeping as a third QB going forward if that situation presents itself. My guess is that doesn't happen and he does up a backup somewhere else.

Is he worth keeping? Well if he continues to progress, I would say yes. He's no better than a rookie QB that has a two year contract with the 49ers right now. He does add some depth if he continues to develop. Dude has an arm and legs to play in the NFL. He has an NFL body, now he just needs to have an NFL brain. Who better to develop that brain than the one who's worked miracles with a guy like Jimmy. Point being, Kyle's had enough experience himself with good and bad QB's to basically tell who's redeemable and who isn't. Kyle basically fired himself from another NFL team because he refused to work with a QB he thought sucked.

There's also the issue of it being a distraction to a Super Bowl challenging team. How much resources are we going to spend trying to get Lance into being a serviceable NFL QB after 3 years? What is the reward, are we still thinking we can take him from a mediocre QB to the next Mahomes? If so I want some of what those guys are smoking. Lance should have been at a certain level after completing a college career, but he essentially skipped that. Now he is way behind, and it's not worth the time and resources any more to catch him up, when we have other options.

Way behind? What are YOU smoking!
Terry Bradshaw didn't start winning over .500 of his games until he was 24, Roger Staubach when he was *29*, Steve Young *31*

Newsflash, Trey is **23**