Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I stand by the idea that there is zero logic in trading Trey Lance.

Let me give you the logic:

1. We save dollars these saved dollars wont help the team improve today
2. We keep Allen (who we seem to like) Seem being the operative word. No fan (you and I included), has any idea if this is true.
3. We don't keep pouring reps into TL, if we feel he has no future here And Darnold on a one year deal does?
4. We remove an awkward situation from the QB room; and a potential distraction, in the constant 'what will SF do with TL?' these are professionals. Trey being QB2 or QB3 wont be a distraction
5. We get a pick or pick swap in return his value is really low right now. Trading him for a low level pick is useless
6. It doesn't look like he can play; or that he has enough of a roadmap to the games he needs to develop, on the rook contract. Dont buy the first part. Him not having a roadmap to play doesnt mean we should just dump him
7. We do right by the player, if he has no gameday role here, maybe he can be a QB2 or active on gameday, with a clean slate and new team trading him now doesnt give him a gameday role either.

There's the logic, you can disagree with it, but there it is, no doubt about it if you want to argue that bad logic = logic, then sure, there is logic

Trading Trey will not help this team now. The money savings doesnt matter now. The draft pick we would get wouldnt move the needle. Next offseason, we would still have to look for a QB2 if we traded him now. It wouldnt be doing right by Trey now, because its far too late for him to get a meaningful role with another team right now.

I stand by my statement. There is no logic in trading him. If you want to discuss this in the offseason, some of this changes.

Ya it looks like he meant bad logic

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Garbage QB. It will take him 10 years to figure out how to be remotely functional. Cut him or trade him. He was over drafted. Luckily we have the savior on board. Under a different name and draft status. So we got bailed out of this stupidity.

most in this thread won't be able to accept this now, but all of it is correct... been saying for over year on here and now it is coming to pass

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Garbage QB. It will take him 10 years to figure out how to be remotely functional. Cut him or trade him. He was over drafted. Luckily we have the savior on board. Under a different name and draft status. So we got bailed out of this stupidity.

most in this thread won't be able to accept this now, but all of it is correct... been saying for over year on here and now it is coming to pass

You two have been hating on Lance since day 1 without zero proof. Blind squirrel...

Cutting him would be beyond idiotic. But some of you think with your emotions and feelings lol.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I stand by the idea that there is zero logic in trading Trey Lance.

Let me give you the logic:

1. We save dollars
2. We keep Allen (who we seem to like)
3. We don't keep pouring reps into TL, if we feel he has no future here
4. We remove an awkward situation from the QB room; and a potential distraction, in the constant 'what will SF do with TL?'
5. We get a pick or pick swap in return
6. It doesn't look like he can play; or that he has enough of a roadmap to the games he needs to develop, on the rook contract.
7. We do right by the player, if he has no gameday role here, maybe he can be a QB2 or active on gameday, with a clean slate and new team

There's the logic, you can disagree with it, but there it is, no doubt about it

Solid post. Here's the problem though...Branon Allen isn't anything special. There is absolutely no reason to keep him over Lance. I think it's funny how the same people dismissing Brock's turnovers in camp are quick to act like Trey playing poorly, with majority of players who won't make the final roster, means he's not worth keeping here.

Also how is #4 a thing? What makes it an awkward situation? The team loves Trey, Brock and Trey have a great relationship and Trey is definitely not a distraction type of guy.

#5 you're likely to get the same or better from keeping Trey when he leaves in free agency or you have a chance to see it click for him and you get better trade value in return.

#7 is lol you don't move a valuable asset out of the kindness of your heart. As much as I want to see Lance get a fair shot somewhere #1 priority is the 49ers. They're a better team with him in the QB room than Brandon Allen. You absolutely take the chance that Allen makes it through waivers and goes onto your PS than moving Trey for peanuts.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
KS heard all the chatter, his response:

"It just goes with the territory," Shanahan said, via NBC Sports. "It goes with it for quarterbacks. It goes with it for anybody who's a high draft pick but especially a quarterback.

"Trey is extremely smart and very socially aware," Shanahan said. "He knows how the world works. So he does his best, which I think he does a damn good job of, of trying to block that out and focus on getting better, and I think that's what he's done so far."

it's part of the process.. there is always noise outside the bldg, as a player the only comments that matter are from within the bldg
I've been saying for a while, easiest way to turn around the outside commentary, play good football
Latu and Moody starting to get some commentary of their own.. it just is what it is.

Kyle is right, Trey just has to block everything out and focus on getting better - and good news - our Coach who discovered Jimmy (keep in mind Jimmy was a nobody in 2017), discovered Purdy, still thinks Trey is getting better. That's good news for all 49er fans pro or against Trey.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Garbage QB. It will take him 10 years to figure out how to be remotely functional. Cut him or trade him. He was over drafted. Luckily we have the savior on board. Under a different name and draft status. So we got bailed out of this stupidity.

most in this thread won't be able to accept this now, but all of it is correct... been saying for over year on here and now it is coming to pass

Most on this board have accepted Purdy being the starter, for a long time now.

But continue to lie if that makes you feel better.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I stand by the idea that there is zero logic in trading Trey Lance.

Let me give you the logic:

1. We save dollars these saved dollars wont help the team improve today
2. We keep Allen (who we seem to like) Seem being the operative word. No fan (you and I included), has any idea if this is true.
3. We don't keep pouring reps into TL, if we feel he has no future here And Darnold on a one year deal does?
4. We remove an awkward situation from the QB room; and a potential distraction, in the constant 'what will SF do with TL?' these are professionals. Trey being QB2 or QB3 wont be a distraction
5. We get a pick or pick swap in return his value is really low right now. Trading him for a low level pick is useless
6. It doesn't look like he can play; or that he has enough of a roadmap to the games he needs to develop, on the rook contract. Dont buy the first part. Him not having a roadmap to play doesnt mean we should just dump him
7. We do right by the player, if he has no gameday role here, maybe he can be a QB2 or active on gameday, with a clean slate and new team trading him now doesnt give him a gameday role either.

There's the logic, you can disagree with it, but there it is, no doubt about it if you want to argue that bad logic = logic, then sure, there is logic

Trading Trey will not help this team now. The money savings doesnt matter now. The draft pick we would get wouldnt move the needle. Next offseason, we would still have to look for a QB2 if we traded him now. It wouldnt be doing right by Trey now, because its far too late for him to get a meaningful role with another team right now.

I stand by my statement. There is no logic in trading him. If you want to discuss this in the offseason, some of this changes.

SWH on your counterpoints, you say he won't have a gameday role, even if traded. Understand by gameday role, I am talking about being active for gameday. Sure we have this new Qb rule, but my understanding is Qb3 can dress, but is not active, unless the first two are injured. So the only actives are QB1 and QB2. By saying he wouldn't have a gameday role on any other team, you actually seem to have a lower opinion on Lance than I do. I feel on some squads, he could be a QB2. This means he's active, and could enter the game on TL package type stuff, if they wanted to run it.

I would be interested to hear your logic for keeping TL, I would be interested in how many games do you think he will give the 49ers, going forward.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
SWH on your counterpoints, you say he won't have a gameday role, even if traded. Understand by gameday role, I am talking about being active for gameday. Sure we have this new Qb rule, but my understanding is Qb3 can dress, but is not active, unless the first two are injured. So the only actives are QB1 and QB2. By saying he wouldn't have a gameday role on any other team, you actually seem to have a lower opinion on Lance than I do. I feel on some squads, he could be a QB2. This means he's active, and could enter the game on TL package type stuff, if they wanted to run it.

I would be interested to hear your logic for keeping TL, I would be interested in how many games do you think he will give the 49ers, going forward.

Surely depends on Purdy's health and form. But to judge by recent years, I would want to keep him.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by prospector49:

Originally posted by Youngone:
The over the top hate on Trey after that preseason game is absolutely pathetic.

Hate make you sound like a drama queen. It's not hate, he's just not good. That's fine, I wish him well, but I want the best players in all positions on my team. Do you hate Nate Sudfeld because you don't want him as your QB2?

Mike Silver had a recent piece on the subject of fans making the topic of Lance emotional and not as a football decision / opinion. Rich Eisen has talked about it recently also. As usual, it's just about what is best for the squad. I don't see holding on to a large cap hit who isn't playing games as a smart move. I liked Suds, but just cuz I thought maybe he could help the team, as a backup. Course, he was let go, cuz we had a certain Brock Purdy. It was a great move for the team, tough for Suds I am sure, but hey that's part of pro football.

What's better for the squad is 100% keeping Lance. Let me break down best and worst case scenario for us keeping or getting rid of Trey.

Trey is gone
Best case scenario - Brock Purdy looks like the same guy we saw last season, never gets hurt again and we win multiple SBs with him
Worst case scenario - Brock regresses or gets hurt again, Darnold comes in and looks like the inconsistent turnover machine he's been his whole career and you have Brandon Allen to save your season who scares nobody

Trey is on the roster
Best case scenario - same as above
Worst case scenario - same as above but you have Lance

Call me crazy but I'd rather watch the team's hopes hang in the balance with Trey Lance than Brandon Allen. If anyone says otherwise while being serious then you're delusional as hell. Because I can guarantee you whatever you saw on Sunday, if Trey is out there with out top unit, he's looking much better. If he's out there with an actual game plan to attack the other team, he's looking much better. Brandon Allen is going to be Brandon Allen.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
SWH on your counterpoints, you say he won't have a gameday role, even if traded. Understand by gameday role, I am talking about being active for gameday. Sure we have this new Qb rule, but my understanding is Qb3 can dress, but is not active, unless the first two are injured. So the only actives are QB1 and QB2. By saying he wouldn't have a gameday role on any other team, you actually seem to have a lower opinion on Lance than I do. I feel on some squads, he could be a QB2. This means he's active, and could enter the game on TL package type stuff, if they wanted to run it.

I would be interested to hear your logic for keeping TL, I would be interested in how many games do you think he will give the 49ers, going forward.

Surely depends on Purdy's health and form. But to judge by recent years, I would want to keep him.

Depth is certainly a real need, English. I think Darnold is better, and Allen may be better also. If we had to play a game tomorrow, give me Allen. If it's at all close between Lance and Allen, give me the guy on a QB3 contract, not a guy making $20m remaining on the deal. TL becomes not really a fit, if his role is QB3, from a contract perspective. No team is spending about $10m per year on a QB3.

Originally posted by 49ersFan_vienna:
Now i even more root for this kid. Eff em lombardi and company. Thats disgusting

Honestly, if someone isn't a niner fan - they can f**k off with their disrespect and hate. Only we can whack on our own guys, no one else.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Most on this board have accepted Purdy being the starter, for a long time now.

But continue to lie if that makes you feel better.

At least until Purdy struggles. Then everyone will bash him.

It is actually a good point. I think the team feels like Trey is not even QB2 at this point and won't be on the team next season, so they don't come out to defend Trey.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by prospector49:

Originally posted by Youngone:
The over the top hate on Trey after that preseason game is absolutely pathetic.

Hate make you sound like a drama queen. It's not hate, he's just not good. That's fine, I wish him well, but I want the best players in all positions on my team. Do you hate Nate Sudfeld because you don't want him as your QB2?

Mike Silver had a recent piece on the subject of fans making the topic of Lance emotional and not as a football decision / opinion. Rich Eisen has talked about it recently also. As usual, it's just about what is best for the squad. I don't see holding on to a large cap hit who isn't playing games as a smart move. I liked Suds, but just cuz I thought maybe he could help the team, as a backup. Course, he was let go, cuz we had a certain Brock Purdy. It was a great move for the team, tough for Suds I am sure, but hey that's part of pro football.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Garbage QB. It will take him 10 years to figure out how to be remotely functional. Cut him or trade him. He was over drafted. Luckily we have the savior on board. Under a different name and draft status. So we got bailed out of this stupidity.

most in this thread won't be able to accept this now, but all of it is correct... been saying for over year on here and now it is coming to pass

You two have been hating on Lance since day 1 without zero proof. Blind squirrel...

Cutting him would be beyond idiotic. But some of you think with your emotions and feelings lol.

He's got all the proof he needs now, what do you have?

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by lamontb:
There is clearly a major difference between Lance and Fields in terms of running ability. Makes you really question WTF our FO was looking at.

It's a big reason why I was so confident we would take fields. The way kyle was talking about have a dual threat and playing 11-11, I didn't see it with Lance. I thought it was crystal clear with fields.

he has above average mobility, he isn't a statue, but he also isn't mobile enough to design into a gameplan and make plays for it. IMO, he moves well enough to create time and opportunity when a play breaks down but doesn't have the agility, elusiveness, or quickness to have a designed run game around. I don't think I saw him beat a defender to the edge once on a designed run play.

Meh, he's a lot more mobile than Jimmy. With a stronger arm and taller.

He's definitely more mobile than jimmy. Jimmy looks way more athletic than he is. It's kinda surprising how slow he was. Lol or at least never attempted to run much.

Lance isn't a statue, I think where the negativity behind his mobility comes is that Kyle billed the whole selection like he wanted to play 11-11 and have that threat on every play. Almost like a fields or Lamar threat.

tbh if Lance was quicker/more agile, it would help His passing lanes open up a lot more because of the hesiststikn it would cause defenders. That's what it does for Lamar, he really isn't a very accurate QB (he isn't inaccurate) but he isn't someone who you'd necessarily worry about dicing you up if he stays in the pocket. He's just so special with his mobility that it makes it easier for him to have bigger throwing windows.

On Trey's mobility - the guy put in over one thousand yards on the ground in college. I think he can operate a Lamar Jackson Roman offense. Now he's not Lamar, that's a given, but I think Greg Roman would still make Trey work in his offense. Trey's mobility still enables the 11 on 11 play on those run/pass options and short yardage situations despite his lack of short area burst like Brock/Lamar. Having said that, Trey's potential as a pocket passer is even higher than (I think) Lamar Jackson's. Again, I rely on Kyle's assessment on this and my own eyes seeing him play. As for his processor, both Steve and Kurt said it's not an obsolete processor, it's just in the beginning stages of development. I'd weigh these opinions higher than Greg Cosell's or Mike Lombardie's thank you.

Trey is interesting when it comes to his mobility because most mobile guys actually rely on their athleticism to help them in the passing game (lame, fields etc). But Trey is kinda the opposite, his mobility would be more effective if he was stronger in the pass game. He needs guys to back off and respect his accuracy.

I've said before that I don't think Lance will ever be an elite qb but I do think he's more than capable of being a high end game manager, he just needs to get comfortable with the speed of the game and trust what he's seeing, take more changes. Be more gun slinger ish. He has a strong arm, where he can jam balls in small windows better than a lot of people can. I think he can be a good passing qb. More than lamar and fields, very possible. Time will tell. I think st worse he can be as good as them.