Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Yup, the fans that just want to hate Trey because they understand literally nothing about football and overreacted about a preseason game owe the entire front office and high football IQers an apology for their constant whining.

This post is what Silver / Rich Eisen were talking about

What's funnier, is that some still think opinions on Lance are based on one preseason game lol

or based on some type of hate

He needs to turn it around ASAP or else the criticism aren't going anywhere.

Absolutely true, but you're responding to a poster who's on record celebrating after Trey's injury.

If River doesn't deserve the label, then no one does for any QB we've had.

Like cmon man! Let it rip kid.can't win QB2 playing like this.

Is it possible Lance is seeing Darnolds ghosts?

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Yup, the fans that just want to hate Trey because they understand literally nothing about football and overreacted about a preseason game owe the entire front office and high football IQers an apology for their constant whining.

Question: What do the 31 NFL GMs that don't want to trade for Trey Lance know about football?

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Giedi:
That 20 million cap hit is negotiable as was Jimmy's last year with the 49ers. That 5th year option, should Kyle exercise it, does in a sense lock Trey with the 49ers, and that option can be renegotiated from a position of strength by Kyle if Trey's not progressed to where he's NOT getting offers from other teams commensurate with what Kyle can give him as QB2/QB3 for the 49ers.

you keep posting this but it isnt true. so let me post it again...

the 5th year option is A NON-NEGOTIABLE FIXED AMOUNT.



NFL.com

Yeah, it can't be renegotiated. It would have to be declined and then the team can negotiate an extension to his rookie scale contract (which would be only four years at that point). So the team has control over his fifth year, if they choose to execute it, but has to pay him a ton.

if they choose to decline it, they have to negotiate with Trey on an extension. So it doesn't guarantee he would want to.

Green Bay did that this year with Jordan love. Declined his fifth year option but negotiated a one year extension to his rookie contract (replacing what would of been the fifth year). He's the starter though so it makes more sense for him, I doubt Lance would want to do that unless his agent tells him that it's the best financial offer he will get.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Yup, the fans that just want to hate Trey because they understand literally nothing about football and overreacted about a preseason game owe the entire front office and high football IQers an apology for their constant whining.

This post is what Silver / Rich Eisen were talking about

What's funnier, is that some still think opinions on Lance are based on one preseason game lol

or based on some type of hate

He needs to turn it around ASAP or else the criticism aren't going anywhere.

Absolutely true, but you're responding to a poster who's on record celebrating after Trey's injury.

If River doesn't deserve the label, then no one does for any QB we've had.

River unequivocally hates Trey.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Giedi:
That 20 million cap hit is negotiable as was Jimmy's last year with the 49ers. That 5th year option, should Kyle exercise it, does in a sense lock Trey with the 49ers, and that option can be renegotiated from a position of strength by Kyle if Trey's not progressed to where he's NOT getting offers from other teams commensurate with what Kyle can give him as QB2/QB3 for the 49ers.

you keep posting this but it isnt true. so let me post it again...

the 5th year option is A NON-NEGOTIABLE FIXED AMOUNT.



NFL.com

Yeah, it can't be renegotiated. It would have to be declined and then the team can negotiate an extension to his rookie scale contract (which would be only four years at that point). So the team has control over his fifth year, if they choose to execute it, but has to pay him a ton.

if they choose to decline it, they have to negotiate with Trey on an extension. So it doesn't guarantee he would want to.

Green Bay did that this year with Jordan love. Declined his fifth year option but negotiated a one year extension to his rookie contract (replacing what would of been the fifth year). He's the starter though so it makes more sense for him, I doubt Lance would want to do that unless his agent tells him that it's the best financial offer he will get.

Exactly. Everything is negotiable in the NFL, even the salary cap. Example, See all the players traded for their cap space etc.. You just have to decline the 5th option with the contingency that Kyle and Trey can work out a deal acceptable to both and work out the deal prior to the option lapsing. Simple.

this is an area that Lance has consistently struggled in over his time here, whether it's camp or the few games he's played. The team has struggled to score in general when he's started (14 ppg average & Trey only has 2 touchdowns in three starts).

id really like to see him improve in the redzone. I don't think he has a chance to even remotely unseat Purdy until he does, Purdy is took good in the redzone.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Giedi:
That 20 million cap hit is negotiable as was Jimmy's last year with the 49ers. That 5th year option, should Kyle exercise it, does in a sense lock Trey with the 49ers, and that option can be renegotiated from a position of strength by Kyle if Trey's not progressed to where he's NOT getting offers from other teams commensurate with what Kyle can give him as QB2/QB3 for the 49ers.

you keep posting this but it isnt true. so let me post it again...

the 5th year option is A NON-NEGOTIABLE FIXED AMOUNT.



NFL.com

Yeah, it can't be renegotiated. It would have to be declined and then the team can negotiate an extension to his rookie scale contract (which would be only four years at that point). So the team has control over his fifth year, if they choose to execute it, but has to pay him a ton.

if they choose to decline it, they have to negotiate with Trey on an extension. So it doesn't guarantee he would want to.

Green Bay did that this year with Jordan love. Declined his fifth year option but negotiated a one year extension to his rookie contract (replacing what would of been the fifth year). He's the starter though so it makes more sense for him, I doubt Lance would want to do that unless his agent tells him that it's the best financial offer he will get.

Exactly. Everything is negotiable in the NFL, even the salary cap. Example, See all the players traded for their cap space etc.. You just have to decline the 5th option with the contingency that Kyle and Trey can work out a deal acceptable to both and work out the deal prior to the option lapsing. Simple.

Yeah, I think boast was just saying that you can't renegotiate the actual fifth year option. We would have to terminate it first and start from scratch on an extension.

if that happens, I'd imagine it's something similar to what Jordan love got - low base pay but lots of incentives built in. Essentially what sam darnold signed with us.

Is there anything more reliable than Latu dropping a pass?

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Giedi:
That 20 million cap hit is negotiable as was Jimmy's last year with the 49ers. That 5th year option, should Kyle exercise it, does in a sense lock Trey with the 49ers, and that option can be renegotiated from a position of strength by Kyle if Trey's not progressed to where he's NOT getting offers from other teams commensurate with what Kyle can give him as QB2/QB3 for the 49ers.

you keep posting this but it isnt true. so let me post it again...

the 5th year option is A NON-NEGOTIABLE FIXED AMOUNT.



NFL.com

Yeah, it can't be renegotiated. It would have to be declined and then the team can negotiate an extension to his rookie scale contract (which would be only four years at that point). So the team has control over his fifth year, if they choose to execute it, but has to pay him a ton.

if they choose to decline it, they have to negotiate with Trey on an extension. So it doesn't guarantee he would want to.

Green Bay did that this year with Jordan love. Declined his fifth year option but negotiated a one year extension to his rookie contract (replacing what would of been the fifth year). He's the starter though so it makes more sense for him, I doubt Lance would want to do that unless his agent tells him that it's the best financial offer he will get.

Exactly. Everything is negotiable in the NFL, even the salary cap. Example, See all the players traded for their cap space etc.. You just have to decline the 5th option with the contingency that Kyle and Trey can work out a deal acceptable to both and work out the deal prior to the option lapsing. Simple.

Yeah, I think boast was just saying that you can't renegotiate the actual fifth year option. We would have to terminate it first and start from scratch on an extension.

if that happens, I'd imagine it's something similar to what Jordan love got - low base pay but lots of incentives built in. Essentially what sam darnold signed with us.

The 5th year option is Kyles leverage against Trey leaving for other pastures, so to speak. Again it depends on Treys progress this year and next, but by having a deal in place prior to the 5th year option lapsing, it is still a renegotiation of the 5th year option. Options are ether exercised or not - at the control of the option holder - in this case Kyle is the option holder.

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by 1ovydog:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by 1ovydog:

Originally posted by Shemp:
I have always thought that Greg Cosell is one of the best analysts out there. I remember him saying about Alex Smith "He can't throw a 5 yard out."

I thought some of his comments crossed journalistic professionalism. Marc Adams posted a good article about it. I also think what Steve Young discusses has merit. I understand because of the draft capital spent there are quite a few impatient people, however, I will continue to trust the folks in the locker room and organization until they say otherwise. My two cents for what it's worth.

You have a problem with Greg Cosell's comments? Can you please elaborate what was not professional about what he said.

I don't think there were any issues.

Fair enough. I guess we can agree to disagree. I do respect Cosell's football insight, etc. but he crossed the line with the whole baby, etc. stuff and apparently I am not flying solo on that either. Maybe it was a joke, but definitely out of context for someone of his stature for what he does. But let's move on to actual 49er football discussions…..

Got the wrong cat, you're referencing Michael Lombardi

Damn it I'm an idiot. Apologies for name mix up. But point remains.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Giedi:
That 20 million cap hit is negotiable as was Jimmy's last year with the 49ers. That 5th year option, should Kyle exercise it, does in a sense lock Trey with the 49ers, and that option can be renegotiated from a position of strength by Kyle if Trey's not progressed to where he's NOT getting offers from other teams commensurate with what Kyle can give him as QB2/QB3 for the 49ers.

you keep posting this but it isnt true. so let me post it again...

the 5th year option is A NON-NEGOTIABLE FIXED AMOUNT.



NFL.com

Yeah, it can't be renegotiated. It would have to be declined and then the team can negotiate an extension to his rookie scale contract (which would be only four years at that point). So the team has control over his fifth year, if they choose to execute it, but has to pay him a ton.

if they choose to decline it, they have to negotiate with Trey on an extension. So it doesn't guarantee he would want to.

Green Bay did that this year with Jordan love. Declined his fifth year option but negotiated a one year extension to his rookie contract (replacing what would of been the fifth year). He's the starter though so it makes more sense for him, I doubt Lance would want to do that unless his agent tells him that it's the best financial offer he will get.

Exactly. Everything is negotiable in the NFL, even the salary cap. Example, See all the players traded for their cap space etc.. You just have to decline the 5th option with the contingency that Kyle and Trey can work out a deal acceptable to both and work out the deal prior to the option lapsing. Simple.

Yeah, I think boast was just saying that you can't renegotiate the actual fifth year option. We would have to terminate it first and start from scratch on an extension.

if that happens, I'd imagine it's something similar to what Jordan love got - low base pay but lots of incentives built in. Essentially what sam darnold signed with us.

The 5th year option is Kyles leverage against Trey leaving for other pastures, so to speak. Again it depends on Treys progress this year and next, but by having a deal in place prior to the 5th year option lapsing, it is still a renegotiation of the 5th year option. Options are ether exercised or not - at the control of the option holder - in this case Kyle is the option holder.

Yeah but the decision has to be decided on at the end of this next season, before the start of the new league year (or by the draft, something like that), so it's like 7 months or so away

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Yup, the fans that just want to hate Trey because they understand literally nothing about football and overreacted about a preseason game owe the entire front office and high football IQers an apology for their constant whining.

Question: What do the 31 NFL GMs that don't want to trade for Trey Lance know about football?

Nothing... He's played 4.5 games lol. Dude started last game because he earned it in practice.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Giedi:
That 20 million cap hit is negotiable as was Jimmy's last year with the 49ers. That 5th year option, should Kyle exercise it, does in a sense lock Trey with the 49ers, and that option can be renegotiated from a position of strength by Kyle if Trey's not progressed to where he's NOT getting offers from other teams commensurate with what Kyle can give him as QB2/QB3 for the 49ers.

you keep posting this but it isnt true. so let me post it again...

the 5th year option is A NON-NEGOTIABLE FIXED AMOUNT.



NFL.com

Yeah, it can't be renegotiated. It would have to be declined and then the team can negotiate an extension to his rookie scale contract (which would be only four years at that point). So the team has control over his fifth year, if they choose to execute it, but has to pay him a ton.

if they choose to decline it, they have to negotiate with Trey on an extension. So it doesn't guarantee he would want to.

Green Bay did that this year with Jordan love. Declined his fifth year option but negotiated a one year extension to his rookie contract (replacing what would of been the fifth year). He's the starter though so it makes more sense for him, I doubt Lance would want to do that unless his agent tells him that it's the best financial offer he will get.

Exactly. Everything is negotiable in the NFL, even the salary cap. Example, See all the players traded for their cap space etc.. You just have to decline the 5th option with the contingency that Kyle and Trey can work out a deal acceptable to both and work out the deal prior to the option lapsing. Simple.

Yeah, I think boast was just saying that you can't renegotiate the actual fifth year option. We would have to terminate it first and start from scratch on an extension.

if that happens, I'd imagine it's something similar to what Jordan love got - low base pay but lots of incentives built in. Essentially what sam darnold signed with us.

The 5th year option is Kyles leverage against Trey leaving for other pastures, so to speak. Again it depends on Treys progress this year and next, but by having a deal in place prior to the 5th year option lapsing, it is still a renegotiation of the 5th year option. Options are ether exercised or not - at the control of the option holder - in this case Kyle is the option holder.

Yeah but the decision has to be decided on at the end of this next season, before the start of the new league year (or by the draft, something like that), so it's like 7 months or so away

Agree, it has to be decided soon. Also agree that it has to be decided this year. That still gives Kyle negotiating power up until the exercise date of the option. After that, Trey is basically in Kinlaws situation next year. It's all up to Treys progress. Kinlaw couldn't convince Kyle to exercise the option but Trey still can. We shall see.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49ersFan_vienna:
Now i even more root for this kid. Eff em lombardi and company. Thats disgusting

What's disgusting? What did DL do?

Michael Lombardi, not David.