Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Yall worried about next year... what about this Super Bowl season?

Folks really comfortable with Sam Darnold taking over for Brock, if something happens to him... Sam's history of turning the ball over. Real comfortable with f**king Allen?

Even if Sam wins the backup role, imo he won't, if something happens to him or he plays like his old self.. at least the team would have the QB they have developmented these past few years... a QB who actually came in and helped win a must win game to keep our playoff hopes alive.

Unless we get one hell of a trade deal, it ain't worth trading Trey.

Lol people think that because Darnold played "ok" against fourth stringers that he's the next Steve Young. Personally I can't imagine a guy with 50+ starts not playing well against 4th stringers

Originally posted by Furlow:
Only way is if a starting QB goes down with an injury in the preseason and someone gets desperate.

I'm not advocating the idea, but I think there's a real possibility we give him away for a bottom tier pick. I'm honestly not sure how many takers there would even be for that.

I'm personally fine with keeping him and biting the bullet on Allen, even if we like him a bit.

Originally posted by boast:
if Shanny thinks Allen would be better suited to be QB3, it would "make sense"

There's obviously sense in doing it whether people like it or not. There's also sense in keeping him even if we like Allen more. It's not an easy call either way.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Only way is if a starting QB goes down with an injury in the preseason and someone gets desperate.

I'm not advocating the idea, but I think there's a real possibility we give him away for a bottom tier pick. I'm honestly not sure how many takers there would even be for that.

I'm personally fine with keeping him and biting the bullet on Allen, even if we like him a bit.

I think we keep Trey this year, and trade him next offseason.

Maybe Kyle and John learned something, specifically about how valuable experience is at the QB position and finds another gem to compete with Brock.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I think we keep Trey this year, and trade him next offseason.

Maybe Kyle and John learned something, specifically about how valuable experience is at the QB position and finds another gem to compete with Brock.

I definitely thought Trey would be on this roster for sure this year, even thinking Darnold would likely beat him out for the backup job.

I'm less confident in that idea now. The money savings has to be enticing to the team especially when we realistically aren't losing much in the way of quality of depth (in terms of immediate impact). I just won't be surprised either way.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I think we keep Trey this year, and trade him next offseason.

Maybe Kyle and John learned something, specifically about how valuable experience is at the QB position and finds another gem to compete with Brock.

I think you should draft a QB every year. Even if you have your starter. I also think you shouldn't give any QB a 2nd contract unless they are a top 10 QB. You won't win a SB with a mid tier QB making 30+ Million a year. You can have a rookie making like $1 Million and not have much of a downgrade from a mid tier veteran taking up like 15% of your cap. Only pay the elite and borderline elite QB's.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I think we keep Trey this year, and trade him next offseason.

Maybe Kyle and John learned something, specifically about how valuable experience is at the QB position and finds another gem to compete with Brock.

I definitely thought Trey would be on this roster for sure this year, even thinking Darnold would likely beat him out for the backup job.

I'm less confident in that idea now. The money savings has to be enticing to the team especially when we realistically aren't losing much in the way of quality of depth (in terms of immediate impact). I just won't be surprised either way.

Isn't it 3.7 million this year, around 5 million next year?

Unless they get someone like Chase Young, a player who could potentially put us over the top, I'm not sure I would move him.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
I think you should draft a QB every year. Even if you have your starter.

Well this at least touches on the flawed thinking that we need a quality backup next year and that we're going to invest money to have one. If Brock stays healthy the bulk of the season, through the critical games, and stays on his trajectory from last year, we aren't going to invest anything in a backup, out of the ordinary, to protect against injury. No team does that especially those with settled QB1s and who are up against the cap. We can simply draft a backup or pay bottom dollar for a standard QB2.

Teams invest real money in backups when they have questionable play at the starting spot. Our situation this year was unique because Brock is cheap, still a question mark, was hurt coming in, and because we can't count on Trey being a quality player.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I think we keep Trey this year, and trade him next offseason.

Maybe Kyle and John learned something, specifically about how valuable experience is at the QB position and finds another gem to compete with Brock.

I definitely thought Trey would be on this roster for sure this year, even thinking Darnold would likely beat him out for the backup job.

I'm less confident in that idea now. The money savings has to be enticing to the team especially when we realistically aren't losing much in the way of quality of depth (in terms of immediate impact). I just won't be surprised either way.

Isn't it 3.7 million this year, around 5 million next year?

Unless they get someone like Chase Young, a player who could potentially put us over the top, I'm not sure I would move him.

$9.3M cap hit this year, $10.8M next year. And I'm pretty sure that even if we trade him this year, we still eat the $9.3M hit for this year (or most of it anyway).

The numbers you quoted are correct for the annual cash, so what it's costing the team. Perhaps that's what you meant.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Isn't it 3.7 million this year, around 5 million next year?

Unless they get someone like Chase Young, a player who could potentially put us over the top, I'm not sure I would move him.

I'm with you, but I think the money alone carries more weight than we're assigning. It's possible it outweighs any drop off in performance from Lance to Allen, if that's even a reality (it's possible Allen is better than Lance right now).

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I think we keep Trey this year, and trade him next offseason.

Maybe Kyle and John learned something, specifically about how valuable experience is at the QB position and finds another gem to compete with Brock.

I definitely thought Trey would be on this roster for sure this year, even thinking Darnold would likely beat him out for the backup job.

I'm less confident in that idea now. The money savings has to be enticing to the team especially when we realistically aren't losing much in the way of quality of depth (in terms of immediate impact). I just won't be surprised either way.

Isn't it 3.7 million this year, around 5 million next year?

Unless they get someone like Chase Young, a player who could potentially put us over the top, I'm not sure I would move him.

$9.3M cap hit this year, $10.8M next year. And I'm pretty sure that even if we trade him this year, we still eat the $9.3M hit for this year (or most of it anyway).

Im asking what the dead cap is after a trade. Maybe AB someone else can clarify. That's the number you look for, not the cap hit. I believe the Cap hit is essentially sunk cost. Maybe I'm wrong on that too.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:


Themes:
- Trey skipping on easy plays. Struggling with pressure (or perceived pressure) Sometimes he salvages a positive result anyway with his athleticism, but the tape is 'frustrating as hell' and not going to gain a coach's trust.
- He needs to play to get better. He flashed some positives.

This was simply not the performance people want to make it out to be. It's no disrespect to Trey but we cakewalk this game with any QB who doesn't give the game away by turning it over. It was a below average starter level performance. And again, we can't afford to give him the time to get better (hopefully) and still compete for a SB, and now we don't have to.

The thing about the continued, he flashed some positives and needs to play to get better too is that's almost irrelevant at this point.
He has "needed to play to get better" since we drafted him as he didn't of course even play very much in college.

He didn't play (much) his rookie year as that was never the plan and he had injuries then.

He WAS supposed to play a lot last year and didn't with his ankle fracture. Which, oddly, I can very currently relate to.

But now it's pretty much guaranteed barring a Brock flop or Brock injury that he's not going to play this year (much if at all). So while there unfortunately is always the chance of a QB injury here, again barring that, when is he going to get better since he won't play?

Not saying dump here. It's very unfortunate. The backup offensive lineman would obviously need to play to get better too. But the thing is, there is a slightly better chance of that happening.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Isn't it 3.7 million this year, around 5 million next year?

Unless they get someone like Chase Young, a player who could potentially put us over the top, I'm not sure I would move him.

I'm with you, but I think the money alone carries more weight than we're assigning. It's possible it outweighs any drop off in performance from Lance to Allen, if that's even a reality (it's possible Allen is better than Lance right now).

What has Allen ever done? It's insane a guy with 4 starts is a bust(that's what you're saying)but a 30 year old career backup that literally nobody cares for is good?

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Im asking what the dead cap is after a trade. Maybe AB someone else can clarify. That's the number you look for, not the cap hit. I believe the Cap hit is essentially sunk cost. Maybe I'm wrong on that too.

Go to OTC, and designate the trade as post June 1st, there is both a dead cap, and a cap savings and they show the amounts of each I believe

Originally posted by OhioNiner:
The thing about the continued, he flashed some positives and needs to play to get better too is that's almost irrelevant at this point.
He has "needed to play to get better" since we drafted him as he didn't of course even play very much in college.

He didn't play (much) his rookie year as that was never the plan and he had injuries then.

He WAS supposed to play a lot last year and didn't with his ankle fracture. Which, oddly, I can very currently relate to.

But now it's pretty much guaranteed barring a Brock flop or Brock injury that he's not going to play this year (much if at all). So while there unfortunately is always the chance of a QB injury here, again barring that, when is he going to get better since he won't play?

Not saying dump here. It's very unfortunate. The backup offensive lineman would obviously need to play to get better too. But the thing is, there is a slightly better chance of that happening.

You're right on point, IMO.