Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Trey would cost the team $10M if he's on the roster in 2024. that's a lot of money for a backup QB

if they decide to trade him at the end of this preseason, it would save the team $9M over the next two years (2023 & 2024)

Originally posted by boast:
Trey would cost the team $10M if he's on the roster in 2024. that's a lot of money for a backup QB

if they decide to trade him at the end of this preseason, it would save the team $9M over the next two years (2023 & 2024)

That's my understanding

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Isn't it 3.7 million this year, around 5 million next year?

Unless they get someone like Chase Young, a player who could potentially put us over the top, I'm not sure I would move him.

I'm with you, but I think the money alone carries more weight than we're assigning. It's possible it outweighs any drop off in performance from Lance to Allen, if that's even a reality (it's possible Allen is better than Lance right now).

What has Allen ever done? It's insane a guy with 4 starts is a bust(that's what you're saying)but a 30 year old career backup that literally nobody cares for is good?

Allen is a lot cheaper, which is a factor when you start dropping down the depth chart.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
But... What has Allen done ever? Or 50+ start Darnold for that matter? These guys get free passes and propped up why exactly? Darnold is a proven bust unlike Trey yet I see a bunch of you propping him up over nothing more than potential. Darnold was absolute garbage at Treys age. Allen was barely in the the league after being cut.

You're simply refusing to understand or address the nuance of the situation we're in. You're still talking about Trey's long term potential which is the least important consideration to be factored in our team's situation. Re-read the posts for clarity. Evaluate the team's actions.

Allen is an acceptable QB3 that costs nothing. Darnold is a good QB2 that costs what a good QB2 costs. Lance might not be better options than either and he costs a lot. What Lance could be in 2024-2025 means nothing, especially if you share the thinking of the vast majority of people that he needs real playing time to see that potential. He's not going to get it unless at least 1 guy (Purdy) and probably a 2nd guy (Darnold) gets seriously injured.

No I'm talking about Sam Darnold a proven bust and Allen, a career backup nobody really wanted in the now. Neither of these guys have done anything, ever. They come out and do what they should against 4th stringers and suddenly a guy not even wanted in Allen is above Trey? Based off of what exactly? What has Allen earned? Same for Darnold. Nobody was knocking down the door for him either. There's a reason this is a one year deal.

Everyone is so quick to dog on Trey after 4 starts but absolutely adore a guy who's seen ghost in 50+ starts and a guy who's literally never done anything. You're propping them up when they've already shown their potential.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
No I'm talking about Sam Darnold a proven bust and Allen, a career backup nobody really wanted in the now. Neither of these guys have done anything, ever. They come out and do what they should against 4th stringers and suddenly a guy not even wanted in Allen is above Trey? Based off of what exactly? What has Allen earned? Same for Darnold. Nobody was knocking down the door for him either. There's a reason this is a one year deal.

Everyone is so quick to dog on Trey after 4 starts but absolutely adore a guy who's seen ghost in 50+ starts and a guy who's literally never done anything. You're propping them up when they've already shown their potential.

Lol, I'm obviously willing to go in circles some, but this is too much for me.

This s**t has next to nothing to do with potential my man.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
No I'm talking about Sam Darnold a proven bust and Allen, a career backup nobody really wanted in the now. Neither of these guys have done anything, ever. They come out and do what they should against 4th stringers and suddenly a guy not even wanted in Allen is above Trey? Based off of what exactly? What has Allen earned? Same for Darnold. Nobody was knocking down the door for him either. There's a reason this is a one year deal.

Everyone is so quick to dog on Trey after 4 starts but absolutely adore a guy who's seen ghost in 50+ starts and a guy who's literally never done anything. You're propping them up when they've already shown their potential.

Lol, I'm obviously willing to go in circles some, but this is too much for me.

This s**t has next to nothing to do with potential my man.

Can you at least explain what Brandon Allen has done to earn that 3rd spot? I mean skill wise.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
What has Allen ever done? It's insane a guy with 4 starts is a bust(that's what you're saying)but a 30 year old career backup that literally nobody cares for is good?

per Shanny, his performance at OTAs apparently earned him a larger share of reps in camp.

and Allen seems to have the right idea about Shanny's O too...

"If you can play within the system and use the talent around you, those are the biggest things," Allen said. "This offense is designed to get guys open. So your biggest job is to put the ball where it needs to go against the right coverage with accuracy.

"This system works well for quarterbacks who can just be accurate and play on time."

https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/brandon-allen-trey-lance-kyle-shanahan/1643752/

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Can you at least explain what Brandon Allen has done to earn that 3rd spot? I mean skill wise.

Well from my perspective, he outperformed Trey in one preseason game… which means very little. I'm not at practice and I put zero weight in 2nd hand practice reports from beat writers and idiotic content creators. I can't answer this question confidently.

To me it's the wrong question anyway. The right question is this:

What would the team rather have for this season:

Darnold and Allen at QB2/3 + a draft pick + some amount of millions in extra money to spend over the next two years,

or

Darnold and Lance at QB2/3.

I'd also think it's worth considering that it's unlikely we win a SB relying on any of these three backups for long stretches of the season or for playoff games.

Keep in mind the only guy's potential we are planning around now is Purdy.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
But... What has Allen done ever? Or 50+ start Darnold for that matter? These guys get free passes and propped up why exactly? Darnold is a proven bust unlike Trey yet I see a bunch of you propping him up over nothing more than potential. Darnold was absolute garbage at Treys age. Allen was barely in the the league after being cut.

You're simply refusing to understand or address the nuance of the situation we're in. You're still talking about Trey's long term potential which is the least important consideration to be factored in our team's situation. Re-read the posts for clarity. Evaluate the team's actions.

Allen is an acceptable QB3 that costs nothing. Darnold is a good QB2 that costs what a good QB2 costs. Lance might not be better options than either and he costs a lot. What Lance could be in 2024-2025 means nothing, especially if you share the thinking of the vast majority of people that he needs real playing time to see that potential. He's not going to get it unless at least 1 guy (Purdy) and probably a 2nd guy (Darnold) gets seriously injured.

No I'm talking about Sam Darnold a proven bust and Allen, a career backup nobody really wanted in the now. Neither of these guys have done anything, ever. They come out and do what they should against 4th stringers and suddenly a guy not even wanted in Allen is above Trey? Based off of what exactly? What has Allen earned? Same for Darnold. Nobody was knocking down the door for him either. There's a reason this is a one year deal.

Everyone is so quick to dog on Trey after 4 starts but absolutely adore a guy who's seen ghost in 50+ starts and a guy who's literally never done anything. You're propping them up when they've already shown their potential.

Allen was QB2 in Cincinnati last season. Why wouldn't we be comfortable if he is QB3 in SF?

I don't know how good bad Trey will be 5 years, but he very likely won't be with the team after the end of this season. The potential is irrelevant. I think Darnold is the frontrunner at QB2, and Allen might be a better QB right now than Trey (I am not talking potential. Not about 5 years from now)

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:


Themes:
- Trey skipping on easy plays. Struggling with pressure (or perceived pressure) Sometimes he salvages a positive result anyway with his athleticism, but the tape is 'frustrating as hell' and not going to gain a coach's trust.
- He needs to play to get better. He flashed some positives.

This was simply not the performance people want to make it out to be. It's no disrespect to Trey but we cakewalk this game with any QB who doesn't give the game away by turning it over. It was a below average starter level performance. And again, we can't afford to give him the time to get better (hopefully) and still compete for a SB, and now we don't have to.

And I'm considered a hater because I wouldn't say that I thought Lance played a good game. It's "okay" at best.

you don't even need to see this breakdown to realize he didn't play well. It was a terrible team that we did absolutely nothing on offense for 2.5 quarters then slowly pulled it together on some wide open plays towards the end.

if you know anything about that Texans team - it was one of their best defensive performances all year that year, against us… and they were a bottom five team on defense in every aspect.

once again, Jimmy wasn't great, but he did a lot of little things very well and consistent - something that Lance is still no where near doing.

im not hating on Trey, it's just the reality of his situation then and his situation now. It sucks and I wish it wasn't true.

Brandon Allen had a 370 yard 2 TD game beating Deshaun Watson's Texans in a start for the Bengals in 2020.

Allen > lance let the competition for the 3 spot begin

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
What has Allen ever done? It's insane a guy with 4 starts is a bust(that's what you're saying)but a 30 year old career backup that literally nobody cares for is good?

per Shanny, his performance at OTAs apparently earned him a larger share of reps in camp.

and Allen seems to have the right idea about Shanny's O too...

"If you can play within the system and use the talent around you, those are the biggest things," Allen said. "This offense is designed to get guys open. So your biggest job is to put the ball where it needs to go against the right coverage with accuracy.

"This system works well for quarterbacks who can just be accurate and play on time."

https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/brandon-allen-trey-lance-kyle-shanahan/1643752/

But he's getting 4th string reps. Trey has gotten 2nd team reps and even started the last game. From practice reports Trey has pretty consistently good day in and day out.

It just seems like major overreacting over a first preseason game, coming back from a major injury where he hasn't played in almost a year.

Originally posted by boast:
Brandon Allen had a 370 yard 2 TD game beating Deshaun Watson's Texans in a start for the Bengals in 2020.

Hope you don't mind me sharing to the Brandon Allen thread then,...since no one's touched the damn thing for 3 or 4 days now. Maybe we can generate something in his thread and get it to "Sam Darnold"-like excitement status.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Yall worried about next year... what about this Super Bowl season?

Folks really comfortable with Sam Darnold taking over for Brock, if something happens to him... Sam's history of turning the ball over. Real comfortable with f**king Allen?

Even if Sam wins the backup role, imo he won't, if something happens to him or he plays like his old self.. at least the team would have the QB they have developmented these past few years... a QB who actually came in and helped win a must win game to keep our playoff hopes alive.

Unless we get one hell of a trade deal, it ain't worth trading Trey.

There is also the saving face factor. Trading him for a late rounder is some serious egg on KS and JL's respective faces. I think that's the only reason he's still on the roster today - the fact that the team mortgaged a couple of drafts to get him and that decision turned out to be a historically royal F-up. Admit it, if he was the last pick in that draft, he'd be on some other team right now. I don't think it's his playing ability that has him still on our team. It's his circumstances.

I think the reason he is still on this team is because of his work ethic, what he's shown coaches in training camp, during practice during his rookie season. How he bounces back in games after a few mistakes. They see the potential... they see the talent.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Yall worried about next year... what about this Super Bowl season?

Folks really comfortable with Sam Darnold taking over for Brock, if something happens to him... Sam's history of turning the ball over. Real comfortable with f**king Allen?

Even if Sam wins the backup role, imo he won't, if something happens to him or he plays like his old self.. at least the team would have the QB they have developmented these past few years... a QB who actually came in and helped win a must win game to keep our playoff hopes alive.

Unless we get one hell of a trade deal, it ain't worth trading Trey.

Putting aside the idea of whether or not it's worthwhile to trade Trey now, the very likely reality is we aren't winning a Super Bowl depending on any of our backups. We aren't playing the '21 Texans in the playoffs to get there.

It's Brock or bust at the position. We need our QB1 just like every other NFL team. Don't let a year where our depth chart was upside down confuse that idea.

Kyle was ready to roll with Trey as the starting QB last year.. knowing Jimmy could possibly be gone... he was comfortable with Trey taking us on another Super Bowl run. He trusts Trey won't be a turnover machine.. and he if slowly grows as the season goes on and plays with more aggression, great. I'm sure that was Kyle's plan for 2022.

How's that feeling change with in a year? Especially when all the reports state that Trey looks even better than last year in camp? So THAT all gets ignored because he was rusty in his first action in a year? He bounced back.. and would have probably continued the momentum in the 3rd QTR.. which is why Kyle says he wish he could have kept Trey out there longer.

It hasn't changed.

Agreed. Nice post