Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by _Goldblooded_:
His film frankly sucked last week.
He looked like a rookie. He cant see the field. He looks nervous, hesitant and rattled. He is inconsistent with his accuracy. The first red flag and surprising thing for me is his athleticism is underwhelming. He looks robotic when moving. He doesnt look smooth. He isnt fast during games.

Lots of emotion about him. I think people have an idea about what they think he is/what he will be instead of what he actually is/probably will be.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by boast:
OK?? my comment that Kyle sees some in Allen was in response to TreyDey asking why is this nobody (Allen, in his eyes) is even on the team. you just butted in with an obvious comment. something everyone has already heard Kyle say publicly.

Still think it's weird as hell that you're on this new "Brandon Allen" campaign here,....with zero posts in the Brandon Allen thread.

Is this really about Brandon Allen?

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Costello review of tape wasn't pretty as expected . "Tentative and uncertain. What is open in the NFL "

left a lot of throws available on the field .

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by boast:
OK?? my comment that Kyle sees some in Allen was in response to TreyDey asking why is this nobody (Allen, in his eyes) is even on the team. you just butted in with an obvious comment. something everyone has already heard Kyle say publicly.

Still think it's weird as hell that you're on this new "Brandon Allen" campaign here,....with zero posts in the Brandon Allen thread.

Is this really about Brandon Allen?

Here come the Webzone police.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by boast:
OK?? my comment that Kyle sees some in Allen was in response to TreyDey asking why is this nobody (Allen, in his eyes) is even on the team. you just butted in with an obvious comment. something everyone has already heard Kyle say publicly.

Still think it's weird as hell that you're on this new "Brandon Allen" campaign here,....with zero posts in the Brandon Allen thread.

Is this really about Brandon Allen?

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by boast:
OK?? my comment that Kyle sees some in Allen was in response to TreyDey asking why is this nobody (Allen, in his eyes) is even on the team. you just butted in with an obvious comment. something everyone has already heard Kyle say publicly.

Still think it's weird as hell that you're on this new "Brandon Allen" campaign here,....with zero posts in the Brandon Allen thread.

Is this really about Brandon Allen?

Here come the Webzone police.

Random really wants to be the moderator in this forum. He is trying hard.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Giedi:
That 20 million cap hit is negotiable as was Jimmy's last year with the 49ers. That 5th year option, should Kyle exercise it, does in a sense lock Trey with the 49ers, and that option can be renegotiated from a position of strength by Kyle if Trey's not progressed to where he's NOT getting offers from other teams commensurate with what Kyle can give him as QB2/QB3 for the 49ers.

you keep posting this but it isnt true. so let me post it again...

the 5th year option is A NON-NEGOTIABLE FIXED AMOUNT.



NFL.com

Yeah, it can't be renegotiated. It would have to be declined and then the team can negotiate an extension to his rookie scale contract (which would be only four years at that point). So the team has control over his fifth year, if they choose to execute it, but has to pay him a ton.

if they choose to decline it, they have to negotiate with Trey on an extension. So it doesn't guarantee he would want to.

Green Bay did that this year with Jordan love. Declined his fifth year option but negotiated a one year extension to his rookie contract (replacing what would of been the fifth year). He's the starter though so it makes more sense for him, I doubt Lance would want to do that unless his agent tells him that it's the best financial offer he will get.

Exactly. Everything is negotiable in the NFL, even the salary cap. Example, See all the players traded for their cap space etc.. You just have to decline the 5th option with the contingency that Kyle and Trey can work out a deal acceptable to both and work out the deal prior to the option lapsing. Simple.

Yeah, I think boast was just saying that you can't renegotiate the actual fifth year option. We would have to terminate it first and start from scratch on an extension.

if that happens, I'd imagine it's something similar to what Jordan love got - low base pay but lots of incentives built in. Essentially what sam darnold signed with us.

The 5th year option is Kyles leverage against Trey leaving for other pastures, so to speak. Again it depends on Treys progress this year and next, but by having a deal in place prior to the 5th year option lapsing, it is still a renegotiation of the 5th year option. Options are ether exercised or not - at the control of the option holder - in this case Kyle is the option holder.

What leverage are you talking about? The way it is right now, if we exercise the 5th year option, we would way over pay Trey $20M. Trey may not mind putting the $20M in his pocket.

When a call option is out of money, it has no intrinsic value. Essentially it is worthless.

Trey will have to do a ton this season for the call option to have any intrinsic value.

Assuming Trey's option is 20 million and Brock salary is 1 million, that's 21 million for a franchise QB and a stud backup with two more years remaining. Jimmy alone is costing the Bottom feeing raiders 23 million. Again the value of the option is in the mind of the option holder - not you.

Guys it's not possible. We don't have a spare $20M+ in 2025 for a backup player . A lot of our contracts are ballooning over the next 2-3 years. We are already over next year.

i bet that's why Bosa's contract is taking so long, it's all about the structuring because a couple million is a lot to us right now, we are cash strapped.

need to redo a bunch of contracts just to be under the cap next year.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by boast:
OK?? my comment that Kyle sees some in Allen was in response to TreyDey asking why is this nobody (Allen, in his eyes) is even on the team. you just butted in with an obvious comment. something everyone has already heard Kyle say publicly.

Still think it's weird as hell that you're on this new "Brandon Allen" campaign here,....with zero posts in the Brandon Allen thread.

Is this really about Brandon Allen?

ahhh here it is...random with the subtle racism accusation. youve pulled this card on other posters before. it's weak, lazy and frankly shows more about you than anything about me.

imagine thinking it has anything to do with race and not the actual play on the field.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
What has Allen ever done? It's insane a guy with 4 starts is a bust(that's what you're saying)but a 30 year old career backup that literally nobody cares for is good?

per Shanny, his performance at OTAs apparently earned him a larger share of reps in camp.

and Allen seems to have the right idea about Shanny's O too...

"If you can play within the system and use the talent around you, those are the biggest things," Allen said. "This offense is designed to get guys open. So your biggest job is to put the ball where it needs to go against the right coverage with accuracy.

"This system works well for quarterbacks who can just be accurate and play on time."

https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/brandon-allen-trey-lance-kyle-shanahan/1643752/

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Costello review of tape wasn't pretty as expected . "Tentative and uncertain. What is open in the NFL "

left a lot of throws available on the field .

You mean Cosell?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
What has Allen ever done? It's insane a guy with 4 starts is a bust(that's what you're saying)but a 30 year old career backup that literally nobody cares for is good?

per Shanny, his performance at OTAs apparently earned him a larger share of reps in camp.

and Allen seems to have the right idea about Shanny's O too...

"If you can play within the system and use the talent around you, those are the biggest things," Allen said. "This offense is designed to get guys open. So your biggest job is to put the ball where it needs to go against the right coverage with accuracy.

"This system works well for quarterbacks who can just be accurate and play on time."

https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/brandon-allen-trey-lance-kyle-shanahan/1643752/

We really doing this?

His training camp performances have been nothing special in fact lately he's barely gotten any reps if any in team drills. He's getting no time in preseason.

Are we really going to pretend if push came to shove Brandon Allen gives us a better chance to win real games than Trey Lance?

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by _Goldblooded_:
His film frankly sucked last week.
He looked like a rookie. He cant see the field. He looks nervous, hesitant and rattled. He is inconsistent with his accuracy. The first red flag and surprising thing for me is his athleticism is underwhelming. He looks robotic when moving. He doesnt look smooth. He isnt fast during games.

Lots of emotion about him. I think people have an idea about what they think he is/what he will be instead of what he actually is/probably will be.

people fall in love with arm talent and mobility way to much over basic fundamentals

Originally posted by mitpdub:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by _Goldblooded_:
His film frankly sucked last week.
He looked like a rookie. He cant see the field. He looks nervous, hesitant and rattled. He is inconsistent with his accuracy. The first red flag and surprising thing for me is his athleticism is underwhelming. He looks robotic when moving. He doesnt look smooth. He isnt fast during games.

Lots of emotion about him. I think people have an idea about what they think he is/what he will be instead of what he actually is/probably will be.

people fall in love with arm talent and mobility way to much over basic fundamentals

Some good points here. I agree when a lineman is on him he doesn't have any escape speed to get away and extend the play or run for yards. He's fine on designed run plays but he's not creating opportunities with his legs.

Not sure how this was missed between his combine predraft visits and camp training. It all could go down as too slow to process and the pro game is moving too fast for him.