Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by genus49:
We really doing this?

His training camp performances have been nothing special in fact lately he's barely gotten any reps if any in team drills. He's getting no time in preseason.

Are we really going to pretend if push came to shove Brandon Allen gives us a better chance to win real games than Trey Lance?

My theory is we won't have to rely on QB3, either way. Those years, although we just had one, are rare. I think on the QB3 subject, Allen has the edge with his contract more than anything else. He has the contract of a QB3, TL does not. TL also gets buried as inactive as QB3, and he needs reps / more of a path to play time. So if TL can earn QB2, he has a real role here. If he falls behind Darnold, he is at risk, is my take.

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by boast:
OK?? my comment that Kyle sees some in Allen was in response to TreyDey asking why is this nobody (Allen, in his eyes) is even on the team. you just butted in with an obvious comment. something everyone has already heard Kyle say publicly.

Still think it's weird as hell that you're on this new "Brandon Allen" campaign here,....with zero posts in the Brandon Allen thread.

Is this really about Brandon Allen?

ahhh here it is...random with the subtle racism accusation. youve pulled this card on other posters before. it's weak, lazy and frankly shows more about you than anything about me.

imagine thinking it has anything to do with race and not the actual play on the field.

I thought he was pulling the race card too. How pathetic. It does say more about the poster than the recipient of the comment.

Holy s**t you idiots actually brought up race on your own... hilarious, and you've exposed yourselves with that s**t.

Random is asking if the effort is more about Brandon Allen, or the hate of Trey Lance.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Holy s**t you idiots actually brought up race on your own... hilarious, and you've exposed yourselves with that s**t.

Random is asking if the effort is more about Brandon Allen, or the hate of Trey Lance.

b******t. ive seem random pull the card on other posters. he has a history already.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Kurt Warner with some words of.wisdom.

Eventually trey may learn to pull the trigger when he needs to consistently. Eventually the game slows down for him and he becomes a good qb. My problem, and it has always been my problem, is that he always needed that time to learn. The niners new he was going to be a project. Bu they also knew they had a win now roster. It didn't make any sense to draft him knowing this. How the niners couldn't see this as a potential problem is baffling.

Not baffling really. Shanny and 8 or 9 other coaches screwed the pooch passing on Mahomes. Shanny thought he had Mahomes 2.0 in Trey and he didn't want to screw the pooch twice.

Problem was piss poor evaluation. He didn't have enough snaps to be ready and even his last college year he had zero snaps. I see why Shanny and the Niners did what they did but they could have done it with fields and possibly without trading up. The thought process was good poor execution and judgement.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Holy s**t you idiots actually brought up race on your own... hilarious, and you've exposed yourselves with that s**t.

Random is asking if the effort is more about Brandon Allen, or the hate of Trey Lance.

Anyone else tired of 'Jimmy Lovers' 'Trey Stans' and the emotional language? This is pro football, and it's a football opinion, I don't like TLs game. He seems like a nice young man. And he's done really well to get to the NFL and he's set for life. He's done well to get to this point. Can he play football, at the NFL level? On TL, I would like nothing more than for him to be Mahomes 2.0. I'd settle for Daniel Jones 2.0 at this point. Can he do it? Does he give a better chance to win a game vs PIT if needed, than Sam Darnold does?

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Holy s**t you idiots actually brought up race on your own... hilarious, and you've exposed yourselves with that s**t.

Random is asking if the effort is more about Brandon Allen, or the hate of Trey Lance.

b******t. ive seem random pull the card on other posters. he has a history already.

This. You want to give the benefit of the doubt, but not someone with a bad history like Random.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
What has Allen ever done? It's insane a guy with 4 starts is a bust(that's what you're saying)but a 30 year old career backup that literally nobody cares for is good?

per Shanny, his performance at OTAs apparently earned him a larger share of reps in camp.

and Allen seems to have the right idea about Shanny's O too...

"If you can play within the system and use the talent around you, those are the biggest things," Allen said. "This offense is designed to get guys open. So your biggest job is to put the ball where it needs to go against the right coverage with accuracy.

"This system works well for quarterbacks who can just be accurate and play on time."

https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/brandon-allen-trey-lance-kyle-shanahan/1643752/

We really doing this?

His training camp performances have been nothing special in fact lately he's barely gotten any reps if any in team drills. He's getting no time in preseason.

Are we really going to pretend if push came to shove Brandon Allen gives us a better chance to win real games than Trey Lance?

he hasnt gotten any reps the last week because he's been on maternity leave.

what we pretend or think has nothing to do with anything. what Shanny thinks is all that matters.

Not stopping you from speculating then does it?

And he missed one day due to paternity leave(pretty sure he didn't give birth) he participated in several other practices recently but got minimal or no snaps in 11 on 11 periods.

It would be insanely dumb to play Brandon Allen over Trey Lance.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Holy s**t you idiots actually brought up race on your own... hilarious, and you've exposed yourselves with that s**t.

Random is asking if the effort is more about Brandon Allen, or the hate of Trey Lance.

b******t. ive seem random pull the card on other posters. he has a history already.

This. You want to give the benefit of the doubt, but not someone with a bad history like Random.

No Random just gets pushed to the edge with also having to worry about specific Mods not treating him fairly, just like myself. I just choose to not post as much anymore.

Random is not the one who has a bad history.. it's some on this forum that get away with sly s**t. It's the environment that has been allowed to fester over the past 12 years.

Originally posted by genus49:
We really doing this?

His training camp performances have been nothing special in fact lately he's barely gotten any reps if any in team drills. He's getting no time in preseason.

Are we really going to pretend if push came to shove Brandon Allen gives us a better chance to win real games than Trey Lance?

I've always viewed Trey as bad in the short term. The only reason to play him is for potential long term development, but he has a really low floor - his performances have proven that. Even the film review of his performances confirm that.

outside of 1.5 quarters of play against a bottom five team (Texans), his performances have been about as bad as it gets. I genuinely believe that If lance played all year last year - that it's probable we miss the playoffs.

now do I think we should take on allen as QB3 over Lance? Eh Not really. I'm sure we would get decent performance out of allen but we aren't winning the Super Bowl with either, IMO. So might as well keep the young guy unless it's a good offer for him.

but this whole idea that Lance gives us a good chance To win, is based on pure hope. He is still struggling to score in camp. So I think we would have the same issues but maybe he would be improved cause his accuracy improvement.

backups are meant to have high floors incase they need to fill in, so I don't think it's wild to not be comfortable with Lance as the backup because all he's proven so far is that he has a very low floor and still isn't ready. But since we are talking QB3, I'd rather have him be QB3 cause of the potential if he gets better, since if we are down to QB3 again - it's like a 99.9% chance we aren't winning the Super Bowl

lance is timid and not confident, he's also more accurate but still not considered an accurate QB - so until he fixes those, which aren't probable, he's going to be a huge liability in the redzone

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
We really doing this?

His training camp performances have been nothing special in fact lately he's barely gotten any reps if any in team drills. He's getting no time in preseason.

Are we really going to pretend if push came to shove Brandon Allen gives us a better chance to win real games than Trey Lance?

My theory is we won't have to rely on QB3, either way. Those years, although we just had one, are rare. I think on the QB3 subject, Allen has the edge with his contract more than anything else. He has the contract of a QB3, TL does not. TL also gets buried as inactive as QB3, and he needs reps / more of a path to play time. So if TL can earn QB2, he has a real role here. If he falls behind Darnold, he is at risk, is my take.

Your theory? We all hope we don't have to rely on anyone other than QB1. Nobody wants to see backups play if you can help it. The only reason to even keep 3 QBs is because of what happened last season. Fact is we haven't had a QB play every game since 2019 and that was after that same QB tore his ACL week 3 in 2018. All 3 of Brock, Trey and Sam have durability questions.

You hope you don't have to rely on QB3 or even QB2 but clearly this is our SB window push. Trading Lance for peanuts only to keep Brandon Allen on the roster would be a gamble and a really stupid and unnecessary one imo.

When you're doing to QB3 you're not expecting much but I know that at least with Trey we can win games if the team plays well around him, we've seen a worse Trey than we see now win a game here when that happened and we know with him getting more experience while playing he's getting better. Brandon Allen is a career journeyman. There is no upside there.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Holy s**t you idiots actually brought up race on your own... hilarious, and you've exposed yourselves with that s**t.

Random is asking if the effort is more about Brandon Allen, or the hate of Trey Lance.

b******t. ive seem random pull the card on other posters. he has a history already.

This. You want to give the benefit of the doubt, but not someone with a bad history like Random.

No Random just gets pushed to the edge with also having to worry about specific Mods not treating him fairly, just like myself. I just choose to not post as much anymore.

Random is not the one who has a bad history.. it's some on this forum that get away with sly s**t. It's the environment that has been allowed to fester over the past 12 years.

again...bull. s**t. random definitely has pulled the race card before.

and anyone who knows my extensive WZ post history knows im not coming from a position of race in any topic unless the discussion is specifically race-based like the topics of police brutality or racial inequalities.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
We really doing this?

His training camp performances have been nothing special in fact lately he's barely gotten any reps if any in team drills. He's getting no time in preseason.

Are we really going to pretend if push came to shove Brandon Allen gives us a better chance to win real games than Trey Lance?

My theory is we won't have to rely on QB3, either way. Those years, although we just had one, are rare. I think on the QB3 subject, Allen has the edge with his contract more than anything else. He has the contract of a QB3, TL does not. TL also gets buried as inactive as QB3, and he needs reps / more of a path to play time. So if TL can earn QB2, he has a real role here. If he falls behind Darnold, he is at risk, is my take.

Rare? We've used at least 3 QB's nearly every year under Kyle. Haha.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Holy s**t you idiots actually brought up race on your own... hilarious, and you've exposed yourselves with that s**t.

Random is asking if the effort is more about Brandon Allen, or the hate of Trey Lance.

b******t. ive seem random pull the card on other posters. he has a history already.

This. You want to give the benefit of the doubt, but not someone with a bad history like Random.

No Random just gets pushed to the edge with also having to worry about specific Mods not treating him fairly, just like myself. I just choose to not post as much anymore.

Random is not the one who has a bad history.. it's some on this forum that get away with sly s**t. It's the environment that has been allowed to fester over the past 12 years.

again...bull. s**t. random definitely has pulled the race card before.

and anyone who knows my extensive WZ post history knows im not coming from a position of race in any topic unless the discussion is specifically race-based like the topics of police brutality or racial inequities.

And probably rightfully so. No need for it to be called a "Race Card".

As far as who you are, why in the heck did you jump immediately to race when Random was obviously talking about Trey Lance? This doesn't mean "omg you're racistises!" More so some guilty conscience knowning you weren't being geniune about your critique of Trey Lance when bringing up Brandon Allen.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Anyone else tired of 'Jimmy Lovers' 'Trey Stans' and the emotional language? This is pro football, and it's a football opinion, I don't like TLs game. He seems like a nice young man. And he's done really well to get to the NFL and he's set for life. He's done well to get to this point. Can he play football, at the NFL level? On TL, I would like nothing more than for him to be Mahomes 2.0. I'd settle for Daniel Jones 2.0 at this point. Can he do it? Does he give a better chance to win a game vs PIT if needed, than Sam Darnold does?

Yes
Should be banworthy

Originally posted by genus49:
Your theory? We all hope we don't have to rely on anyone other than QB1. Nobody wants to see backups play if you can help it. The only reason to even keep 3 QBs is because of what happened last season. Fact is we haven't had a QB play every game since 2019 and that was after that same QB tore his ACL week 3 in 2018. All 3 of Brock, Trey and Sam have durability questions.

You hope you don't have to rely on QB3 or even QB2 but clearly this is our SB window push. Trading Lance for peanuts only to keep Brandon Allen on the roster would be a gamble and a really stupid and unnecessary one imo.

When you're doing to QB3 you're not expecting much but I know that at least with Trey we can win games if the team plays well around him, we've seen a worse Trey than we see now win a game here when that happened and we know with him getting more experience while playing he's getting better. Brandon Allen is a career journeyman. There is no upside there.

Upside is not the issue. If you had to start a game tomorrow, which would you choose? I would choose Allen. Just my opinion. He's much more experienced, he's been in a similar system a long time. He looked a lot cleaner out there to me. Our O is so loaded, if you are a functional QB, seeing the field half way well, getting the ball out on time, we should do fine. TL kinda defeats himself, the ball doesn't come out, he holds it, when he does throw, who knows where it's going, so even with all our weapons, if he doesn't see the field well, and turns down open guys, it's not gonna be a productive offense.