Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Holy s**t you idiots actually brought up race on your own... hilarious, and you've exposed yourselves with that s**t.

Random is asking if the effort is more about Brandon Allen, or the hate of Trey Lance.

b******t. ive seem random pull the card on other posters. he has a history already.

This. You want to give the benefit of the doubt, but not someone with a bad history like Random.

No Random just gets pushed to the edge with also having to worry about specific Mods not treating him fairly, just like myself. I just choose to not post as much anymore.

Random is not the one who has a bad history.. it's some on this forum that get away with sly s**t. It's the environment that has been allowed to fester over the past 12 years.

again...bull. s**t. random definitely has pulled the race card before.

and anyone who knows my extensive WZ post history knows im not coming from a position of race in any topic unless the discussion is specifically race-based like the topics of police brutality or racial inequities.

And probably rightfully so. No need for it to be called a "Race Card".

As far as who you are, why in the heck did you jump immediately to race when Random was obviously talking about Trey Lance? This doesn't mean "omg you're racistises!" More so some guilty conscience knowning you weren't being geniune about your critique of Trey Lance when bringing up Brandon Allen.

again...because he's done it previously.

and lolololol......what was my disingenuous criticism of Trey?

i will list the two criticisms ive posted about Trey and they were both in the past 5 days...

1. "heavy-footed is an apt description" - posted Monday morning after the game
2. he's hesitant - yesterday

that's it! so no, making up s**t to say i have a guilty conscience is not gonna fly African. try again.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:
We really doing this?

His training camp performances have been nothing special in fact lately he's barely gotten any reps if any in team drills. He's getting no time in preseason.

Are we really going to pretend if push came to shove Brandon Allen gives us a better chance to win real games than Trey Lance?

I've always viewed Trey as bad in the short term. The only reason to play him is for potential long term development, but he has a really low floor - his performances have proven that. Even the film review of his performances confirm that.

outside of 1.5 quarters of play against a bottom five team (Texans), his performances have been about as bad as it gets. I genuinely believe that If lance played all year last year - that it's probable we miss the playoffs.

now do I think we should take on allen as QB3 over Lance? Eh Not really. I'm sure we would get decent performance out of allen but we aren't winning the Super Bowl with either, IMO. So might as well keep the young guy unless it's a good offer for him.

but this whole idea that Lance gives us a good chance To win, is based on pure hope. He is still struggling to score in camp. So I think we would have the same issues but maybe he would be improved cause his accuracy improvement.

backups are meant to have high floors incase they need to fill in, so I don't think it's wild to not be comfortable with Lance as the backup because all he's proven so far is that he has a very low floor and still isn't ready. But since we are talking QB3, I'd rather have him be QB3 cause of the potential if he gets better, since if we are down to QB3 again - it's like a 99.9% chance we aren't winning the Super Bowl

He's struggling to score in camp?

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That's just red zone work and probably what you're basing your claim off but issue is context is missing and as camp moves on people forget it and just look at numbers.

There are 2 TDs in the redzone separating Trey and Sam and Trey had several guys drop TD passes including a well documented one vs Raiders in joint practice.

Basically there is no major difference in Trey vs the other guys after Brock.

Also if you're talking about low floors - Darnold is your man. Unless you think Lance has shown a floor comparable to 5/15 43 yards 0 TD 2 INT, 2 fumbles(and that's not even Sam's worst game...just his most recent one)

Considering our defense is a strength I'd say if we were forced into the situation a guy who is hesitant to throw into tight windows early in the game isn't the horror show vs someone who doesn't have the same hesitation but still puts the ball in danger.

I do agree with your last point though. When you're down to QB3 it's unrealistic to expect what happened last season(why Kyle should've won COTY) but if Trey is that guy and god forbid we end up having to play QB3 again then may as well see what he can turn into at that point. Brandon Allen isn't winning you a SB. Trey Lance with experience MAY.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

No Random just gets pushed to the edge with also having to worry about specific Mods not treating him fairly, just like myself. I just choose to not post as much anymore.

Random is not the one who has a bad history.. it's some on this forum that get away with sly s**t. It's the environment that has been allowed to fester over the past 12 years.

Talking about posters constantly instead of posts will get the attention of mods.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Holy s**t you idiots actually brought up race on your own... hilarious, and you've exposed yourselves with that s**t.

Random is asking if the effort is more about Brandon Allen, or the hate of Trey Lance.

b******t. ive seem random pull the card on other posters. he has a history already.

This. You want to give the benefit of the doubt, but not someone with a bad history like Random.

No Random just gets pushed to the edge with also having to worry about specific Mods not treating him fairly, just like myself. I just choose to not post as much anymore.

Random is not the one who has a bad history.. it's some on this forum that get away with sly s**t. It's the environment that has been allowed to fester over the past 12 years.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Talking about posters constantly instead of posts will get the attention of mods.

I try to keep updated minute by minute, but QB threads move fast and I have a stupid job.

Let's get back to football and discussing on-the-field play.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:
We really doing this?

His training camp performances have been nothing special in fact lately he's barely gotten any reps if any in team drills. He's getting no time in preseason.

Are we really going to pretend if push came to shove Brandon Allen gives us a better chance to win real games than Trey Lance?

I've always viewed Trey as bad in the short term. The only reason to play him is for potential long term development, but he has a really low floor - his performances have proven that. Even the film review of his performances confirm that.

outside of 1.5 quarters of play against a bottom five team (Texans), his performances have been about as bad as it gets. I genuinely believe that If lance played all year last year - that it's probable we miss the playoffs.

now do I think we should take on allen as QB3 over Lance? Eh Not really. I'm sure we would get decent performance out of allen but we aren't winning the Super Bowl with either, IMO. So might as well keep the young guy unless it's a good offer for him.

but this whole idea that Lance gives us a good chance To win, is based on pure hope. He is still struggling to score in camp. So I think we would have the same issues but maybe he would be improved cause his accuracy improvement.

backups are meant to have high floors incase they need to fill in, so I don't think it's wild to not be comfortable with Lance as the backup because all he's proven so far is that he has a very low floor and still isn't ready. But since we are talking QB3, I'd rather have him be QB3 cause of the potential if he gets better, since if we are down to QB3 again - it's like a 99.9% chance we aren't winning the Super Bowl

He's struggling to score in camp?

[twitter

Comparison of 49ers' QBs in red-zone work this camp...

Brock Purdy: 12-19, 8 TD, 1 INT
Trey Lance: 6-14, 2 TD
Sam Darnold: 6-13, 5 TD
Brandon Allen: 5-6, 2 TD

Purdy and Lance also have a TD run apiece. But Purdy's work here really stands out from the rest of the team's QBs

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) August 17, 2023

That's just red zone work and probably what you're basing your claim off but issue is context is missing and as camp moves on people forget it and just look at numbers.

There are 2 TDs in the redzone separating Trey and Sam and Trey had several guys drop TD passes including a well documented one vs Raiders in joint practice.

Basically there is no major difference in Trey vs the other guys after Brock.

Also if you're talking about low floors - Darnold is your man. Unless you think Lance has shown a floor comparable to 5/15 43 yards 0 TD 2 INT, 2 fumbles(and that's not even Sam's worst game...just his most recent one)

Considering our defense is a strength I'd say if we were forced into the situation a guy who is hesitant to throw into tight windows early in the game isn't the horror show vs someone who doesn't have the same hesitation but still puts the ball in danger.

I do agree with your last point though. When you're down to QB3 it's unrealistic to expect what happened last season(why Kyle should've won COTY) but if Trey is that guy and god forbid we end up having to play QB3 again then may as well see what he can turn into at that point. Brandon Allen isn't winning you a SB. Trey Lance with experience MAY.

Let me present you the information from David Lombardi's tweet in a better way:
Red-zone work in camp: TD per pass attempt
Brock Purdy: 42%
Sam Darnold: 38%
Brandon Allen: 33%
Trey Lance: 14%
So yeah, Trey looked really bad in the red-zone, struggled to score in camp

By the way, David Lombardi completely disagree with you regarding on the QB floor:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
Your theory? We all hope we don't have to rely on anyone other than QB1. Nobody wants to see backups play if you can help it. The only reason to even keep 3 QBs is because of what happened last season. Fact is we haven't had a QB play every game since 2019 and that was after that same QB tore his ACL week 3 in 2018. All 3 of Brock, Trey and Sam have durability questions.

You hope you don't have to rely on QB3 or even QB2 but clearly this is our SB window push. Trading Lance for peanuts only to keep Brandon Allen on the roster would be a gamble and a really stupid and unnecessary one imo.

When you're doing to QB3 you're not expecting much but I know that at least with Trey we can win games if the team plays well around him, we've seen a worse Trey than we see now win a game here when that happened and we know with him getting more experience while playing he's getting better. Brandon Allen is a career journeyman. There is no upside there.

Upside is not the issue. If you had to start a game tomorrow, which would you choose? I would choose Allen. Just my opinion. He's much more experienced, he's been in a similar system a long time. He looked a lot cleaner out there to me. Our O is so loaded, if you are a functional QB, seeing the field half way well, getting the ball out on time, we should do fine. TL kinda defeats himself, the ball doesn't come out, he holds it, when he does throw, who knows where it's going, so even with all our weapons, if he doesn't see the field well, and turns down open guys, it's not gonna be a productive offense.

I respect your opinion and disagree with it big time.

We've seen Lance learn on the fly. I believe this team is strong enough if they play properly and smart to keep us in games with Trey. We've seen it. No matter how much people want to discredit Houston in 2021 that was a big game and Trey stepped up after a slow start.

There is nothing special about Brandon Allen. We've seen guys like that a thousand times. They can have an ok game for you but more times than not they're going to hold you back.

Trey's mistakes may limit the offense at first but they will not bury the team and if Kyle is in his bag and our talented roster is playing then Trey can make big boy throws and threaten with his legs a lot more than Allen can.

And Trey sees the field just fine btw. Plenty of people have talked about him processing well. The issue is inexperience and trusting what he sees. That comes with experience which is why he tends to improve during games and you see him learning from early game mistakes.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:
We really doing this?

His training camp performances have been nothing special in fact lately he's barely gotten any reps if any in team drills. He's getting no time in preseason.

Are we really going to pretend if push came to shove Brandon Allen gives us a better chance to win real games than Trey Lance?

I've always viewed Trey as bad in the short term. The only reason to play him is for potential long term development, but he has a really low floor - his performances have proven that. Even the film review of his performances confirm that.

outside of 1.5 quarters of play against a bottom five team (Texans), his performances have been about as bad as it gets. I genuinely believe that If lance played all year last year - that it's probable we miss the playoffs.

now do I think we should take on allen as QB3 over Lance? Eh Not really. I'm sure we would get decent performance out of allen but we aren't winning the Super Bowl with either, IMO. So might as well keep the young guy unless it's a good offer for him.

but this whole idea that Lance gives us a good chance To win, is based on pure hope. He is still struggling to score in camp. So I think we would have the same issues but maybe he would be improved cause his accuracy improvement.

backups are meant to have high floors incase they need to fill in, so I don't think it's wild to not be comfortable with Lance as the backup because all he's proven so far is that he has a very low floor and still isn't ready. But since we are talking QB3, I'd rather have him be QB3 cause of the potential if he gets better, since if we are down to QB3 again - it's like a 99.9% chance we aren't winning the Super Bowl

He's struggling to score in camp?

[twitter

Comparison of 49ers' QBs in red-zone work this camp...

Brock Purdy: 12-19, 8 TD, 1 INT
Trey Lance: 6-14, 2 TD
Sam Darnold: 6-13, 5 TD
Brandon Allen: 5-6, 2 TD

Purdy and Lance also have a TD run apiece. But Purdy's work here really stands out from the rest of the team's QBs

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) August 17, 2023

That's just red zone work and probably what you're basing your claim off but issue is context is missing and as camp moves on people forget it and just look at numbers.

There are 2 TDs in the redzone separating Trey and Sam and Trey had several guys drop TD passes including a well documented one vs Raiders in joint practice.

Basically there is no major difference in Trey vs the other guys after Brock.

Also if you're talking about low floors - Darnold is your man. Unless you think Lance has shown a floor comparable to 5/15 43 yards 0 TD 2 INT, 2 fumbles(and that's not even Sam's worst game...just his most recent one)

Considering our defense is a strength I'd say if we were forced into the situation a guy who is hesitant to throw into tight windows early in the game isn't the horror show vs someone who doesn't have the same hesitation but still puts the ball in danger.

I do agree with your last point though. When you're down to QB3 it's unrealistic to expect what happened last season(why Kyle should've won COTY) but if Trey is that guy and god forbid we end up having to play QB3 again then may as well see what he can turn into at that point. Brandon Allen isn't winning you a SB. Trey Lance with experience MAY.

Let me present you the information from David Lombardi's tweet:
Red-zone work in camp: TD per pass attempt
Brock Purdy: 42%
Sam Darnold: 38%
Brandon Allen: 33%
Trey Lance: 14%
So yeah, Trey looked really bad in the red-zone, struggled to score in camp

By the way, David Lombardi completely disagree with you regarding on the QB floor:

QB2 is a job that's more about a high floor than a high ceiling. And right now it's clear that Sam Darnold had a higher floor than Trey Lance, especially within the context of what Kyle Shanahan runs. Lance is going to have to show much more steadiness next week than he did today

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) August 13, 2023

Oh no David Lombardi disagrees with me? What will I do?

Lombardi's numbers were constantly different from everyone else and the guy even hid his infamous spreadsheet once Brock started throwing picks like crazy.

And your math means 0 to me. Especially since you conveniently left out his rushing TD from the % as if a rushing TD costs less than a passing TD. Add that and the Latu drop and his number goes to 29%. Certainly far from Lance struggles to score BS.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:
We really doing this?

His training camp performances have been nothing special in fact lately he's barely gotten any reps if any in team drills. He's getting no time in preseason.

Are we really going to pretend if push came to shove Brandon Allen gives us a better chance to win real games than Trey Lance?

I've always viewed Trey as bad in the short term. The only reason to play him is for potential long term development, but he has a really low floor - his performances have proven that. Even the film review of his performances confirm that.

outside of 1.5 quarters of play against a bottom five team (Texans), his performances have been about as bad as it gets. I genuinely believe that If lance played all year last year - that it's probable we miss the playoffs.

now do I think we should take on allen as QB3 over Lance? Eh Not really. I'm sure we would get decent performance out of allen but we aren't winning the Super Bowl with either, IMO. So might as well keep the young guy unless it's a good offer for him.

but this whole idea that Lance gives us a good chance To win, is based on pure hope. He is still struggling to score in camp. So I think we would have the same issues but maybe he would be improved cause his accuracy improvement.

backups are meant to have high floors incase they need to fill in, so I don't think it's wild to not be comfortable with Lance as the backup because all he's proven so far is that he has a very low floor and still isn't ready. But since we are talking QB3, I'd rather have him be QB3 cause of the potential if he gets better, since if we are down to QB3 again - it's like a 99.9% chance we aren't winning the Super Bowl

He's struggling to score in camp?

[twitter

Comparison of 49ers' QBs in red-zone work this camp...

Brock Purdy: 12-19, 8 TD, 1 INT
Trey Lance: 6-14, 2 TD
Sam Darnold: 6-13, 5 TD
Brandon Allen: 5-6, 2 TD

Purdy and Lance also have a TD run apiece. But Purdy's work here really stands out from the rest of the team's QBs

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) August 17, 2023

That's just red zone work and probably what you're basing your claim off but issue is context is missing and as camp moves on people forget it and just look at numbers.

There are 2 TDs in the redzone separating Trey and Sam and Trey had several guys drop TD passes including a well documented one vs Raiders in joint practice.

Basically there is no major difference in Trey vs the other guys after Brock.

Also if you're talking about low floors - Darnold is your man. Unless you think Lance has shown a floor comparable to 5/15 43 yards 0 TD 2 INT, 2 fumbles(and that's not even Sam's worst game...just his most recent one)

Considering our defense is a strength I'd say if we were forced into the situation a guy who is hesitant to throw into tight windows early in the game isn't the horror show vs someone who doesn't have the same hesitation but still puts the ball in danger.

I do agree with your last point though. When you're down to QB3 it's unrealistic to expect what happened last season(why Kyle should've won COTY) but if Trey is that guy and god forbid we end up having to play QB3 again then may as well see what he can turn into at that point. Brandon Allen isn't winning you a SB. Trey Lance with experience MAY.

You're really going to argue that treys 43% completion and 2 TDs in ALL of camp during red zone drills is good? 14% of the time during red zone drills he's scoring a TD..?

i think Trey will improve, especially once he starts to trust what he sees and get more confident in his ability to gun it in. But this whole convo is based around THIS season and who helps the most. Trey has a long way to go before he can be relied upon to win us games IN THE SHORT TERM. I think he will improve but all I'm saying is that it isn't crazy to think allen could be a better backup in a pinch than Lance this year. Not that allen will be better than Lance forever or that allen is a stud. Allen was QB2 behind burrow, he would be an excellent QB3.

Of course Lance is the better choice long term, but he has a long way to go. I personally would keep Lance over allen as QB3 because I don't think either would come close to leading us to a super bowl this year, so I'd take the future potential. I think we are screwed either way if either of them are in and Brock's down for the season

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:
We really doing this?

His training camp performances have been nothing special in fact lately he's barely gotten any reps if any in team drills. He's getting no time in preseason.

Are we really going to pretend if push came to shove Brandon Allen gives us a better chance to win real games than Trey Lance?

I've always viewed Trey as bad in the short term. The only reason to play him is for potential long term development, but he has a really low floor - his performances have proven that. Even the film review of his performances confirm that.

outside of 1.5 quarters of play against a bottom five team (Texans), his performances have been about as bad as it gets. I genuinely believe that If lance played all year last year - that it's probable we miss the playoffs.

now do I think we should take on allen as QB3 over Lance? Eh Not really. I'm sure we would get decent performance out of allen but we aren't winning the Super Bowl with either, IMO. So might as well keep the young guy unless it's a good offer for him.

but this whole idea that Lance gives us a good chance To win, is based on pure hope. He is still struggling to score in camp. So I think we would have the same issues but maybe he would be improved cause his accuracy improvement.

backups are meant to have high floors incase they need to fill in, so I don't think it's wild to not be comfortable with Lance as the backup because all he's proven so far is that he has a very low floor and still isn't ready. But since we are talking QB3, I'd rather have him be QB3 cause of the potential if he gets better, since if we are down to QB3 again - it's like a 99.9% chance we aren't winning the Super Bowl

He's struggling to score in camp?

[twitter

Comparison of 49ers' QBs in red-zone work this camp...

Brock Purdy: 12-19, 8 TD, 1 INT
Trey Lance: 6-14, 2 TD
Sam Darnold: 6-13, 5 TD
Brandon Allen: 5-6, 2 TD

Purdy and Lance also have a TD run apiece. But Purdy's work here really stands out from the rest of the team's QBs

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) August 17, 2023

That's just red zone work and probably what you're basing your claim off but issue is context is missing and as camp moves on people forget it and just look at numbers.

There are 2 TDs in the redzone separating Trey and Sam and Trey had several guys drop TD passes including a well documented one vs Raiders in joint practice.

Basically there is no major difference in Trey vs the other guys after Brock.

Also if you're talking about low floors - Darnold is your man. Unless you think Lance has shown a floor comparable to 5/15 43 yards 0 TD 2 INT, 2 fumbles(and that's not even Sam's worst game...just his most recent one)

Considering our defense is a strength I'd say if we were forced into the situation a guy who is hesitant to throw into tight windows early in the game isn't the horror show vs someone who doesn't have the same hesitation but still puts the ball in danger.

I do agree with your last point though. When you're down to QB3 it's unrealistic to expect what happened last season(why Kyle should've won COTY) but if Trey is that guy and god forbid we end up having to play QB3 again then may as well see what he can turn into at that point. Brandon Allen isn't winning you a SB. Trey Lance with experience MAY.

You're really going to argue that treys 43% completion and 2 TDs in ALL of camp during red zone drills is good? 14% of the time during red zone drills he's scoring a TD..?

I'm going to argue that those numbers are 1. not accurate and 2. leave out context on who the target was, what happened on the play, who was defending and whether it was dropped or not.

And once again Trey had 3 redzone TDs listed there. Lombardi loves to wave the "Brock is facing the #1 defense" which is out there without one of its best players when guys can't get hit and has guys like CMC, Kittle, Aiyuk, Deebo, Juice out there with the best OL unit. Allen meanwhile is going against 3rd stringers.

There is a reason Trey and Sam's completion % is similar and Sam having a 2 TD advantage isn't anything extreme.

people shouldn't use camp numbers to tier QBs. these beat writers have no information about what the players are specifically told to work on. none of these numbers matter. it's PRACTICE.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by boast:
OK?? my comment that Kyle sees some in Allen was in response to TreyDey asking why is this nobody (Allen, in his eyes) is even on the team. you just butted in with an obvious comment. something everyone has already heard Kyle say publicly.

Still think it's weird as hell that you're on this new "Brandon Allen" campaign here,....with zero posts in the Brandon Allen thread.

Is this really about Brandon Allen?

ahhh here it is...random with the subtle racism accusation. youve pulled this card on other posters before. it's weak, lazy and frankly shows more about you than anything about me.

imagine thinking it has anything to do with race and not the actual play on the field.

I thought he was pulling the race card too. How pathetic. It does say more about the poster than the recipient of the comment.

Holy s**t you idiots actually brought up race on your own... hilarious, and you've exposed yourselves with that s**t.

Random is asking if the effort is more about Brandon Allen, or the hate of Trey Lance.

Yea what sparked that? I've never mentioned the "r word" or gone to that topic in this forum,....and never will.

Yet it's came up at least twice w/my replies. I have no idea what each person's background is, nor do I care.

That ish can stay in the Off-Topic area as fas as I'm concerned. Dudes in here feeling guilt, I guess?

Originally posted by boast:
b******t. ive seem random pull the card on other posters. he has a history already.

Again,...you can't recall one post,...and that's simply because it's never happened. Just making stuff up.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by boast:
OK?? my comment that Kyle sees some in Allen was in response to TreyDey asking why is this nobody (Allen, in his eyes) is even on the team. you just butted in with an obvious comment. something everyone has already heard Kyle say publicly.

Still think it's weird as hell that you're on this new "Brandon Allen" campaign here,....with zero posts in the Brandon Allen thread.

Is this really about Brandon Allen?

ahhh here it is...random with the subtle racism accusation. youve pulled this card on other posters before. it's weak, lazy and frankly shows more about you than anything about me.

imagine thinking it has anything to do with race and not the actual play on the field.

I thought he was pulling the race card too. How pathetic. It does say more about the poster than the recipient of the comment.

Holy s**t you idiots actually brought up race on your own... hilarious, and you've exposed yourselves with that s**t.

Random is asking if the effort is more about Brandon Allen, or the hate of Trey Lance.

Yea what sparked that? I've never mentioned the "r word" or gone to that topic in this forum,....and never will.

Yet it's came up at least twice w/my replies. I have no idea what each person's background is, nor do I care.

That ish can stay in the Off-Topic area as fas as I'm concerned. Dudes in here feeling guilt, I guess?

Talk football or GTFO.
(there is no need to respond to this post)

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:
We really doing this?

His training camp performances have been nothing special in fact lately he's barely gotten any reps if any in team drills. He's getting no time in preseason.

Are we really going to pretend if push came to shove Brandon Allen gives us a better chance to win real games than Trey Lance?

I've always viewed Trey as bad in the short term. The only reason to play him is for potential long term development, but he has a really low floor - his performances have proven that. Even the film review of his performances confirm that.

outside of 1.5 quarters of play against a bottom five team (Texans), his performances have been about as bad as it gets. I genuinely believe that If lance played all year last year - that it's probable we miss the playoffs.

now do I think we should take on allen as QB3 over Lance? Eh Not really. I'm sure we would get decent performance out of allen but we aren't winning the Super Bowl with either, IMO. So might as well keep the young guy unless it's a good offer for him.

but this whole idea that Lance gives us a good chance To win, is based on pure hope. He is still struggling to score in camp. So I think we would have the same issues but maybe he would be improved cause his accuracy improvement.

backups are meant to have high floors incase they need to fill in, so I don't think it's wild to not be comfortable with Lance as the backup because all he's proven so far is that he has a very low floor and still isn't ready. But since we are talking QB3, I'd rather have him be QB3 cause of the potential if he gets better, since if we are down to QB3 again - it's like a 99.9% chance we aren't winning the Super Bowl

He's struggling to score in camp?

[twitter

Comparison of 49ers' QBs in red-zone work this camp...

Brock Purdy: 12-19, 8 TD, 1 INT
Trey Lance: 6-14, 2 TD
Sam Darnold: 6-13, 5 TD
Brandon Allen: 5-6, 2 TD

Purdy and Lance also have a TD run apiece. But Purdy's work here really stands out from the rest of the team's QBs

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) August 17, 2023

That's just red zone work and probably what you're basing your claim off but issue is context is missing and as camp moves on people forget it and just look at numbers.

There are 2 TDs in the redzone separating Trey and Sam and Trey had several guys drop TD passes including a well documented one vs Raiders in joint practice.

Basically there is no major difference in Trey vs the other guys after Brock.

Also if you're talking about low floors - Darnold is your man. Unless you think Lance has shown a floor comparable to 5/15 43 yards 0 TD 2 INT, 2 fumbles(and that's not even Sam's worst game...just his most recent one)

Considering our defense is a strength I'd say if we were forced into the situation a guy who is hesitant to throw into tight windows early in the game isn't the horror show vs someone who doesn't have the same hesitation but still puts the ball in danger.

I do agree with your last point though. When you're down to QB3 it's unrealistic to expect what happened last season(why Kyle should've won COTY) but if Trey is that guy and god forbid we end up having to play QB3 again then may as well see what he can turn into at that point. Brandon Allen isn't winning you a SB. Trey Lance with experience MAY.

Let me present you the information from David Lombardi's tweet in a better way:
Red-zone work in camp: TD per pass attempt
Brock Purdy: 42%
Sam Darnold: 38%
Brandon Allen: 33%
Trey Lance: 14%
So yeah, Trey looked really bad in the red-zone, struggled to score in camp

By the way, David Lombardi completely disagree with you regarding on the QB floor:

QB2 is a job that's more about a high floor than a high ceiling. And right now it's clear that Sam Darnold had a higher floor than Trey Lance, especially within the context of what Kyle Shanahan runs. Lance is going to have to show much more steadiness next week than he did today

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) August 13, 2023

You basically bring up David Lombardi's tweet to make your point, later found out the tweet actually doesn't support your argument, more like prove you wrong, and then you s**t about David Lombardi. Weird.