Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

What will Trey's 2nd game of reps since the ankle injury look like?



Why Trey Lance rebounds when 49ers host Broncos

Originally posted by boast:

people shouldn't use camp numbers to tier QBs. these beat writers have no information about what the players are specifically told to work on. none of these numbers matter. it's PRACTICE.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:
We really doing this?

His training camp performances have been nothing special in fact lately he's barely gotten any reps if any in team drills. He's getting no time in preseason.

Are we really going to pretend if push came to shove Brandon Allen gives us a better chance to win real games than Trey Lance?

I've always viewed Trey as bad in the short term. The only reason to play him is for potential long term development, but he has a really low floor - his performances have proven that. Even the film review of his performances confirm that.

outside of 1.5 quarters of play against a bottom five team (Texans), his performances have been about as bad as it gets. I genuinely believe that If lance played all year last year - that it's probable we miss the playoffs.

now do I think we should take on allen as QB3 over Lance? Eh Not really. I'm sure we would get decent performance out of allen but we aren't winning the Super Bowl with either, IMO. So might as well keep the young guy unless it's a good offer for him.

but this whole idea that Lance gives us a good chance To win, is based on pure hope. He is still struggling to score in camp. So I think we would have the same issues but maybe he would be improved cause his accuracy improvement.

backups are meant to have high floors incase they need to fill in, so I don't think it's wild to not be comfortable with Lance as the backup because all he's proven so far is that he has a very low floor and still isn't ready. But since we are talking QB3, I'd rather have him be QB3 cause of the potential if he gets better, since if we are down to QB3 again - it's like a 99.9% chance we aren't winning the Super Bowl

He's struggling to score in camp?

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Comparison of 49ers' QBs in red-zone work this camp...

Brock Purdy: 12-19, 8 TD, 1 INT
Trey Lance: 6-14, 2 TD
Sam Darnold: 6-13, 5 TD
Brandon Allen: 5-6, 2 TD

Purdy and Lance also have a TD run apiece. But Purdy's work here really stands out from the rest of the team's QBs

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) August 17, 2023

That's just red zone work and probably what you're basing your claim off but issue is context is missing and as camp moves on people forget it and just look at numbers.

There are 2 TDs in the redzone separating Trey and Sam and Trey had several guys drop TD passes including a well documented one vs Raiders in joint practice.

Basically there is no major difference in Trey vs the other guys after Brock.

Also if you're talking about low floors - Darnold is your man. Unless you think Lance has shown a floor comparable to 5/15 43 yards 0 TD 2 INT, 2 fumbles(and that's not even Sam's worst game...just his most recent one)

Considering our defense is a strength I'd say if we were forced into the situation a guy who is hesitant to throw into tight windows early in the game isn't the horror show vs someone who doesn't have the same hesitation but still puts the ball in danger.

I do agree with your last point though. When you're down to QB3 it's unrealistic to expect what happened last season(why Kyle should've won COTY) but if Trey is that guy and god forbid we end up having to play QB3 again then may as well see what he can turn into at that point. Brandon Allen isn't winning you a SB. Trey Lance with experience MAY.

Let me present you the information from David Lombardi's tweet in a better way:
Red-zone work in camp: TD per pass attempt
Brock Purdy: 42%
Sam Darnold: 38%
Brandon Allen: 33%
Trey Lance: 14%
So yeah, Trey looked really bad in the red-zone, struggled to score in camp

By the way, David Lombardi completely disagree with you regarding on the QB floor:

QB2 is a job that's more about a high floor than a high ceiling. And right now it's clear that Sam Darnold had a higher floor than Trey Lance, especially within the context of what Kyle Shanahan runs. Lance is going to have to show much more steadiness next week than he did today

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) August 13, 2023

You basically bring up David Lombardi's tweet to make your point, later found out the tweet actually doesn't support your argument, more like prove you wrong, and then you s**t about David Lombardi. Weird.

It becomes a lot less weird when you actually read what I wrote. And my stance on Lombardi's reporting, especially how it relates to Lance. It's been on display many times in these threads.

Long story short…read.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:
We really doing this?

His training camp performances have been nothing special in fact lately he's barely gotten any reps if any in team drills. He's getting no time in preseason.

Are we really going to pretend if push came to shove Brandon Allen gives us a better chance to win real games than Trey Lance?

I've always viewed Trey as bad in the short term. The only reason to play him is for potential long term development, but he has a really low floor - his performances have proven that. Even the film review of his performances confirm that.

outside of 1.5 quarters of play against a bottom five team (Texans), his performances have been about as bad as it gets. I genuinely believe that If lance played all year last year - that it's probable we miss the playoffs.

now do I think we should take on allen as QB3 over Lance? Eh Not really. I'm sure we would get decent performance out of allen but we aren't winning the Super Bowl with either, IMO. So might as well keep the young guy unless it's a good offer for him.

but this whole idea that Lance gives us a good chance To win, is based on pure hope. He is still struggling to score in camp. So I think we would have the same issues but maybe he would be improved cause his accuracy improvement.

backups are meant to have high floors incase they need to fill in, so I don't think it's wild to not be comfortable with Lance as the backup because all he's proven so far is that he has a very low floor and still isn't ready. But since we are talking QB3, I'd rather have him be QB3 cause of the potential if he gets better, since if we are down to QB3 again - it's like a 99.9% chance we aren't winning the Super Bowl

He's struggling to score in camp?

[twitter

Comparison of 49ers' QBs in red-zone work this camp...

Brock Purdy: 12-19, 8 TD, 1 INT
Trey Lance: 6-14, 2 TD
Sam Darnold: 6-13, 5 TD
Brandon Allen: 5-6, 2 TD

Purdy and Lance also have a TD run apiece. But Purdy's work here really stands out from the rest of the team's QBs

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) August 17, 2023

That's just red zone work and probably what you're basing your claim off but issue is context is missing and as camp moves on people forget it and just look at numbers.

There are 2 TDs in the redzone separating Trey and Sam and Trey had several guys drop TD passes including a well documented one vs Raiders in joint practice.

Basically there is no major difference in Trey vs the other guys after Brock.

Also if you're talking about low floors - Darnold is your man. Unless you think Lance has shown a floor comparable to 5/15 43 yards 0 TD 2 INT, 2 fumbles(and that's not even Sam's worst game...just his most recent one)

Considering our defense is a strength I'd say if we were forced into the situation a guy who is hesitant to throw into tight windows early in the game isn't the horror show vs someone who doesn't have the same hesitation but still puts the ball in danger.

I do agree with your last point though. When you're down to QB3 it's unrealistic to expect what happened last season(why Kyle should've won COTY) but if Trey is that guy and god forbid we end up having to play QB3 again then may as well see what he can turn into at that point. Brandon Allen isn't winning you a SB. Trey Lance with experience MAY.

Let me present you the information from David Lombardi's tweet in a better way:
Red-zone work in camp: TD per pass attempt
Brock Purdy: 42%
Sam Darnold: 38%
Brandon Allen: 33%
Trey Lance: 14%
So yeah, Trey looked really bad in the red-zone, struggled to score in camp

By the way, David Lombardi completely disagree with you regarding on the QB floor:

QB2 is a job that's more about a high floor than a high ceiling. And right now it's clear that Sam Darnold had a higher floor than Trey Lance, especially within the context of what Kyle Shanahan runs. Lance is going to have to show much more steadiness next week than he did today

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) August 13, 2023

You basically bring up David Lombardi's tweet to make your point, later found out the tweet actually doesn't support your argument, more like prove you wrong, and then you s**t about David Lombardi. Weird.

This.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by boast:
people shouldn't use camp numbers to tier QBs. these beat writers have no information about what the players are specifically told to work on. none of these numbers matter. it's PRACTICE.

PFF says

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by genus49:
We really doing this?

His training camp performances have been nothing special in fact lately he's barely gotten any reps if any in team drills. He's getting no time in preseason.

Are we really going to pretend if push came to shove Brandon Allen gives us a better chance to win real games than Trey Lance?

I've always viewed Trey as bad in the short term. The only reason to play him is for potential long term development, but he has a really low floor - his performances have proven that. Even the film review of his performances confirm that.

outside of 1.5 quarters of play against a bottom five team (Texans), his performances have been about as bad as it gets. I genuinely believe that If lance played all year last year - that it's probable we miss the playoffs.

now do I think we should take on allen as QB3 over Lance? Eh Not really. I'm sure we would get decent performance out of allen but we aren't winning the Super Bowl with either, IMO. So might as well keep the young guy unless it's a good offer for him.

but this whole idea that Lance gives us a good chance To win, is based on pure hope. He is still struggling to score in camp. So I think we would have the same issues but maybe he would be improved cause his accuracy improvement.

backups are meant to have high floors incase they need to fill in, so I don't think it's wild to not be comfortable with Lance as the backup because all he's proven so far is that he has a very low floor and still isn't ready. But since we are talking QB3, I'd rather have him be QB3 cause of the potential if he gets better, since if we are down to QB3 again - it's like a 99.9% chance we aren't winning the Super Bowl

He's struggling to score in camp?

[twitter

Comparison of 49ers' QBs in red-zone work this camp...

Brock Purdy: 12-19, 8 TD, 1 INT
Trey Lance: 6-14, 2 TD
Sam Darnold: 6-13, 5 TD
Brandon Allen: 5-6, 2 TD

Purdy and Lance also have a TD run apiece. But Purdy's work here really stands out from the rest of the team's QBs

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) August 17, 2023

That's just red zone work and probably what you're basing your claim off but issue is context is missing and as camp moves on people forget it and just look at numbers.

There are 2 TDs in the redzone separating Trey and Sam and Trey had several guys drop TD passes including a well documented one vs Raiders in joint practice.

Basically there is no major difference in Trey vs the other guys after Brock.

Also if you're talking about low floors - Darnold is your man. Unless you think Lance has shown a floor comparable to 5/15 43 yards 0 TD 2 INT, 2 fumbles(and that's not even Sam's worst game...just his most recent one)

Considering our defense is a strength I'd say if we were forced into the situation a guy who is hesitant to throw into tight windows early in the game isn't the horror show vs someone who doesn't have the same hesitation but still puts the ball in danger.

I do agree with your last point though. When you're down to QB3 it's unrealistic to expect what happened last season(why Kyle should've won COTY) but if Trey is that guy and god forbid we end up having to play QB3 again then may as well see what he can turn into at that point. Brandon Allen isn't winning you a SB. Trey Lance with experience MAY.

Let me present you the information from David Lombardi's tweet in a better way:
Red-zone work in camp: TD per pass attempt
Brock Purdy: 42%
Sam Darnold: 38%
Brandon Allen: 33%
Trey Lance: 14%
So yeah, Trey looked really bad in the red-zone, struggled to score in camp

By the way, David Lombardi completely disagree with you regarding on the QB floor:

QB2 is a job that's more about a high floor than a high ceiling. And right now it's clear that Sam Darnold had a higher floor than Trey Lance, especially within the context of what Kyle Shanahan runs. Lance is going to have to show much more steadiness next week than he did today

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) August 13, 2023

You basically bring up David Lombardi's tweet to make your point, later found out the tweet actually doesn't support your argument, more like prove you wrong, and then you s**t about David Lombardi. Weird.

It becomes a lot less weird when you actually read what I wrote. And my stance on Lombardi's reporting, especially how it relates to Lance. It's been on display many times in these threads.

Long story short…read.

So when does Lombardi make the first round of roster cuts? What's that? The coaches don't consult the guy? Wonder why?

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Anyone else tired of 'Jimmy Lovers' 'Trey Stans' and the emotional language? This is pro football, and it's a football opinion, I don't like TLs game. He seems like a nice young man. And he's done really well to get to the NFL and he's set for life. He's done well to get to this point. Can he play football, at the NFL level? On TL, I would like nothing more than for him to be Mahomes 2.0. I'd settle for Daniel Jones 2.0 at this point. Can he do it? Does he give a better chance to win a game vs PIT if needed, than Sam Darnold does?

Yes
Should be banworthy

Agreed, it's stupid too.

Jonny sneaking in as a fan with a message during Larry Krueger's video with Jack Hammer 😄.

"Trey and Kinlaw to the Commanders for Chase Young."

I've been watching many videos for a while now regarding Trey's performance... not so much the obvious click bait videos or TV shows. I will just say I don't know why it's so hard to not look at those first few series as rust. 🤷🏾‍♂️

I've seen Trey in real games... games with tougher situations. I do think Trey is in a lose lose situation starting late in this weeks preseason game. I would still prefer him go against the ones WITH the ones to start the game.

I also think it would be a better showcase if the 9ers are interested in getting any trade offers. Trey putting up stats vs the backup backups won't mean s**t.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Jonny sneaking in as a fan with a message during Larry Krueger's video with Jack Hammer 😄.

"Trey and Kinlaw to the Commanders for Chase Young."

I've been watching many videos for a while now regarding Trey's performance... not so much the obvious click bait videos or TV shows. I will just say I don't know why it's so hard to not look at those first few series as rust. 🤷🏾‍♂️

I've seen Trey in real games... games with tougher situations. I do think Trey is in a lose lose situation starting late in this weeks preseason game. I would still prefer him go against the ones WITH the ones to start the game.

I also think it would be a better showcase if the 9ers are interested in getting any trade offers. Trey putting up stats vs the backup backups won't mean s**t.

Get it done, Lynch.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Jonny sneaking in as a fan with a message during Larry Krueger's video with Jack Hammer 😄.

"Trey and Kinlaw to the Commanders for Chase Young."

I've been watching many videos for a while now regarding Trey's performance... not so much the obvious click bait videos or TV shows. I will just say I don't know why it's so hard to not look at those first few series as rust. 🤷🏾‍♂️

I've seen Trey in real games... games with tougher situations. I do think Trey is in a lose lose situation starting late in this weeks preseason game. I would still prefer him go against the ones WITH the ones to start the game.

I also think it would be a better showcase if the 9ers are interested in getting any trade offers. Trey putting up stats vs the backup backups won't mean s**t.

Minus Young's rookie season his career looks very similar to Kinlaw. Why would this make sense?

firm believer that being #3 on the depth chart is better for Trey than #2…

Originally posted by Shorteous:
firm believer that being #3 on the depth chart is better for Trey than #2…

He would be going up against our starting defense as the #2 no? Get more reps than being the #3 as well.

What would be the benefit for being the #3 QB for Trey?

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by Shorteous:
firm believer that being #3 on the depth chart is better for Trey than #2…

He would be going up against our starting defense as the #2 no? Get more reps than being the #3 as well.

What would be the benefit for being the #3 QB for Trey?

He would run the scout team each week of the season, getting lots of reps against our #1 defense. If he's number 2 he's game planing and not getting lots of practice reps

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by Shorteous:
firm believer that being #3 on the depth chart is better for Trey than #2…

He would be going up against our starting defense as the #2 no? Get more reps than being the #3 as well.

What would be the benefit for being the #3 QB for Trey?

He would run the practice squad each week of the season, getting lots of reps against our #1 defense. If he's number 2 he's game planing and not getting lots of practice reps

Being QB4 is even better. We won't keep 4 QBs on the roster, so he can go anywhere else.

Anyway, QB3 do get reps against our defense, but he still have to game plan as the emergency QB. The issue is if he is QB3, it might be harder for other teams to let him compete for a starting role next season. Other teams have to believe he has a good chance to succeed. Falling to QB3 isn't a good sign.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by Shorteous:
firm believer that being #3 on the depth chart is better for Trey than #2…

He would be going up against our starting defense as the #2 no? Get more reps than being the #3 as well.

What would be the benefit for being the #3 QB for Trey?

He would run the practice squad each week of the season, getting lots of reps against our #1 defense. If he's number 2 he's game planing and not getting lots of practice reps

Being QB4 is even better. We won't keep 4 QBs on the roster, so he can go anywhere else.

Anyway, QB3 do get reps against our defense, but he still have to game plan as the emergency QB. The issue is if he is QB3, it might be harder for other teams to let him compete for a starting role next season. Other teams have to believe he has a good chance to succeed. Falling to QB3 isn't a good sign.

Even better, lots of reps to let it rip and still game planning as emergency QB. Hard work never goes unpunished :)

Everyone has drummed to the beat that he needs reps, ain't a better way given the situation to get them. Just look at Purdy, he was on the Scout team all last season.

I could care less about optics and more about actually spending every minute available to develop.