Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lmao are we supposed to talk about his sophomore year that he didn't have? This guy is sharp….

when your own coach has publically said he wants you to be more aggressive, I think it's safe to say he hasnt corrected it. When we just watched a game where he was clearly not aggressive and when he attempted it, it was horrific.

We need agro Lance, he's got some moxie..he just needs to let it flow lol

Originally posted by paulk205:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
asshat hater talk.

Thank you for the courteous tone.

I said before and I'll say it again. I like the kid because he seems like a genuinely nice person who tries hard and doesn't undermine his teammates. I also am a fan of the team, so if he proves me wrong so much the better. I get to eat crow in a random internet forum, the team get a great player, and therefore have a better chance to win. I'll take this trade any time.

The reason I put in all the draft statistics is to show that it is actually not a failure of character by Lance if he fails here, nor a total brainfart by the team who picked him. He got injured, someone else stepped in. It happens. In fact, it happens to EVERYBODY, most of the time. Draw enough lots (and the draft happens every year) and you too end up holding up the short straw, despite 5 SBs and bucketloads of HOFers in your history. That's the problem with probabilities as high as 0.5 and annual draws. The team had basically a coin flip chance of this working out even a little. They picked heads. It looks as if it it is coming up tails. Possibly.

What these statistics also show is that the correct strategy by the team is to take a decision this year. For whatever reason, bad luck, injuries, wrong place for him, "overdrafting", whatever, if (and it's still an "if", though worryingly less so) he is still playing rookie level ball in Year 3 on a team that is shooting for the championship, then the correct strategy is to cut him loose. Perhaps he finds success elsewhere, perhaps he doesn't. I hope he does. I still hope he turns it around for us. But I don't KNOW. Only the team know, or think they do. They have the information, and the the plan. Since we're all fans of the team, let's hope this plan is the right one. Keeping him simply because they drafted him so high, for all that draft capital is not just irrelevant - it's sunk costs fallacy. And forget "potential". His paid like a #3 QB pick. There is no unlimited time left in his rookie contract for him to develop that potential, AND win his job back, AND show he is the long term answer some time next year. This team is built to win NOW. Can he help this team NOW, even as insurance to Purdy? If yes, keep him. If no, let him try elsewhere.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
He's basically sol for the 49ers. If he gets a shot elsewhere, I don't doubt that he'll improve.

Look, based on his experience level, he does NOT look horrible. This narrative is nothing but asshat hater talk. But he's not going to get that experience he needs.

I think that's the truth, unfortunately. He's not gonna get that experience that he needs to actually improve.

total mismanagement of him and the draft process. I wanted fields but would he ever gotten that YR+ to develop? I think kyle would have forced him to stay in the pocket and that would have killed him all the same.

I agree. He looks on par with his level of experience. I hope he finds success one day, I don't wish for anyone to fail.

I wanted Fields too but it's moot now.

Should have passed on both and waited for Brock.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
This is why I said weeks ago if I am Lance I ask to be traded to anywhere he has a chance to play. No negativity, just business. I guess this season is a wash, but def this offseason he is gone.

he has very little trade value. the team would never acquiesce.

He has trade value.

Originally posted by Shemp:
Of ALL the traits you look for in a QB, the only ones that Trey has are physique, attitude, and work ethic. He does not have speed, elusiveness, pocket presence, quick processing, accuracy, mobility, decision making, leadership, quick release, improvisation, or even arm strength that translates on the field. For all the hype, he's not even dangerous running the ball. I think he either ends up as QB3 or gets traded for a 4th or 5th rounder. All those lost #1 draft picks. What a colossal f-up by KS and Lynch.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Shemp:
Of ALL the traits you look for in a QB, the only ones that Trey has are physique, attitude, and work ethic. He does not have speed, elusiveness, pocket presence, quick processing, accuracy, mobility, decision making, leadership, quick release, improvisation, or even arm strength that translates on the field. For all the hype, he's not even dangerous running the ball. I think he either ends up as QB3 or gets traded for a 4th or 5th rounder. All those lost #1 draft picks. What a colossal f-up by KS and Lynch.

Murph and Mac finally said it this morning, they said he just doesn't move well. I have been seeing that for years, and saying it, and ppl countering with he is fast, athletic, etc. Martz picked up on this also, right away, and was deemed a crazy hater, just for making football observations. I mean he's not a statue, but he's not a 11 v 11 run threat either.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
The whole thing from the trade up to the 3rd pick to the selection of lance and everything in between made no sense. I hope we get the truth one day.

This.

THIS

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
It was a s**tty normal preseason game imo. Like most kyle preseason games. I think honestly most media people and a good handful of fans were licking their chops for a poor lance game. I mean as bad as some of the moments were, it wasn't all bad either. You don't put up those stats and it's all pure trash.

end of the day is what it is, Brock better be the next coming of Montana.

lol at this ridiculously silly expectation because youre mad he replaced your guy.

Brock doesnt need to be the "next coming of Montana" to have a successful career

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Shemp:
Of ALL the traits you look for in a QB, the only ones that Trey has are physique, attitude, and work ethic. He does not have speed, elusiveness, pocket presence, quick processing, accuracy, mobility, decision making, leadership, quick release, improvisation, or even arm strength that translates on the field. For all the hype, he's not even dangerous running the ball. I think he either ends up as QB3 or gets traded for a 4th or 5th rounder. All those lost #1 draft picks. What a colossal f-up by KS and Lynch.

His accuracy has already improved to reasonable.

Last year and his rookie year this is high and behind, possibly wobbly, or he doesn't even throw it.

Trey Lance with the dart… His best throw of the game so far 🚀 pic.twitter.com/OKFQcnpGhq

— Coach Yac 🗣 (@Coach_Yac) August 13, 2023

The issue is that he was so far behind, improving one thing isn't enough. Steve has what may be an accurate take (video posted earlier): it may be that he's simply folding under the pressure.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Shemp:
Holy cow, this pre-draft assessment of Trey Lance by a former NFL GM says exactly what we are seeing from Lance now.

Former NFL Scout says "Any GM considering Trey Lance in the first round should be fired, on the spot."

Some pre-draft assessment snippets:

• Looked like an inaccurate option QB with average playing speed. Did not play in a traditional pro-style offense. Looked like an athlete trying to play quarterback.
• The film clearly shows his struggles in a number of areas. Lacks confidence. It is absolutely absurd he is even in first-round draft discussions.
• Lance is the most over-rated prospect in my 40 years of watching football. I feel like the world is trying to make a practice squad player into a franchise QB. The film does not lie. ZERO DOMINANT TRAITS ON FILM. He was no Michael Vick or Randall Cunningham when running the ball.
• Can become hesitant pulling the trigger (James Madison wide-open tight end). Unsure of himself and did not look like he trusted his receivers in game situations. Lack of confidence really came out in these situations. Tends to lock in and telegraph throws too often. Shows ability to move and slide around in the pocket walls to sometimes to elude the rush, but also has a tendency to not feel the rush until it is too late. Takes way too many sacks and yardage losses. At times looks absolutely overwhelmed against the rush
• Lance showed average arm-strength. Tends to throw a lot from 3/4 position. Accuracy was all over the road at short, intermediate, and deep levels in actual game situations. Erratic. Tends to not throw receiver-friendly balls either most of the time. I saw a number of high or low passes where receivers had to jump or slide to attempt to catch.
• At the medium and intermediate route levels threw a number of balls that were defended or batted away (Central Arkansas). Exposed at the intermediate route level. Sometimes locked in and passes took too long to get there. This is going to be a real problem in the NFL. Hesitancy really shows up at this route level in tighter coverage. Accuracy and ball placement was inconsistent at this route level.

Yeah a bunch of posters s**t on that guy constantly because of how.much he hated trey. It looks like he was spot on.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Trey truther want everyone to believe that Trey was flashing all over the field in the other games. At the same time, they admit Trey has minimal trade value.

Its

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Shemp:
Of ALL the traits you look for in a QB, the only ones that Trey has are physique, attitude, and work ethic. He does not have speed, elusiveness, pocket presence, quick processing, accuracy, mobility, decision making, leadership, quick release, improvisation, or even arm strength that translates on the field. For all the hype, he's not even dangerous running the ball. I think he either ends up as QB3 or gets traded for a 4th or 5th rounder. All those lost #1 draft picks. What a colossal f-up by KS and Lynch.

His accuracy has already improved to reasonable.

Last year and his rookie year this is high and behind, possibly wobbly, or he doesn't even throw it.

Trey Lance with the dart… His best throw of the game so far 🚀 pic.twitter.com/OKFQcnpGhq

— Coach Yac 🗣 (@Coach_Yac) August 13, 2023

The issue is that he was so far behind, improving one thing isn't enough. Steve has what may be an accurate take (video posted earlier): it may be that he's simply folding under the pressure.

He was making these throws as a rookie. It's the consistency. He's good for 1-2 throws a game. Like i said before even the worst busts pull good throws once in awhile. Making one throw doesn't make a good.qb. stop showing us 1 throw to prove he can be a good.qb.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

He's basically sol for the 49ers. If he gets a shot elsewhere, I don't doubt that he'll improve.

Look, based on his experience level, he does NOT look horrible. This narrative is nothing but asshat hater talk. But he's not going to get that experience he needs.

I think that's the truth, unfortunately. He's not gonna get that experience that he needs to actually improve.

total mismanagement of him and the draft process. I wanted fields but would he ever gotten that YR+ to develop? I think kyle would have forced him to stay in the pocket and that would have killed him all the same.

I agree. He looks on par with his level of experience. I hope he finds success one day, I don't wish for anyone to fail.

I wanted Fields too but it's moot now.

Should have passed on both and waited for Brock.

You sure you weren't bitten by a radioactive spider?