Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
So Vegas runs their algorythms and come up with the best number to make people bet.

That number/Odds changes when money starts coming in. If a lot of people start betting on that line, then that line's odds will start to change like your updated post

Vegas is just trying to cover thiet butts if they got to pay off the people who betted at +1600. The goal is to take your money, not pay

Yeah. Can we not talk about Vegas for a second though,...and instead talk about the people making the bets and what they think? After all, no algorithms are in charge of people physically making bets.

Lance is currently projected to sit behind Jimmy Garoppolo to open the season, but that hasn't stopped bettors from backing Lance for Rookie of the Year.
According to BetMGM, Lance has received 15.8% of the bets and 22.6% of the money — the most in both categories.
https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-betting-trey-lance-is-most-popular-bet-for-offensive-rookie-of-the-year-200800443.html

When I said "they see the same things we see",....I'm talking about the human bettors,...not Vegas machines and algorithms.

Real human beings are placing bets on Trey that obviously I guess you don't like?

got it, wasn't sure who you meant at first.

Wish i could have put 50 on the +1600

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
got it, wasn't sure who you meant at first.

Wish i could have put 50 on the +1600

Dude I was so close to putting a couple $100 down on Lance being the 3rd overall pick back when he was in distant 3rd in odds.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
got it, wasn't sure who you meant at first.

Wish i could have put 50 on the +1600

Dude I was so close to putting a couple $100 down on Lance being the 3rd overall pick back when he was in distant 3rd in odds.

been to Vegas twice already this year and forgot to place any future bets. Going back at the end of Aug.. but the odds will be like crap by then

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Trey Lance vs. Jimmy Garoppolo pic.twitter.com/gn8Dq4CGbb

— Brad (@Graham_SFN) July 16, 2021

Similar release, identical route. Both WRs stem up the outside of the numbers.

One doesn't break stride and the other is pushed out of bounds by the ball placement.

I realize the circumstances are different, the point is ball placement.

— Brad (@Graham_SFN) July 16, 2021

Come on NY you are better than this. Anyone can make that throw with shorts on.

I didn't make the video dude, I'm just posting content on July 16th Brad said he realizes the circumstances but is pointing out ball placement.

how can you look at his tape in college and tell me ball placement is a strength?

Im a huge fan of Lance but that was a huge weakness for him was accuracy and ball placement. Until i see improvement when live (basically TC and preseason) im going to assume its a weakness

Originally posted by ritz126:
how can you look at his tape in college and tell me ball placement is a strength?

Im a huge fan of Lance but that was a huge weakness for him was accuracy and ball placement. Until i see improvement when live (basically TC and preseason) im going to assume its a weakness

Kinda hard to go top 3 in the draft with poor ball placement. Any links if you think so?

Originally posted by random49er:
Kinda hard to go top 3 in the draft with poor ball placement. Any links if you think so?

Well he has an extremely small sample size. No big time school thought enough of his qb abilities to offer him out of high school.....so he has one season worth of starts with better players at every position than the other team. I think Lance is probably the big winner in this past season being cancelled due to Covid.
Hopefully it all works out but in my eyes, he has a long way to go.
The upside is he does have tools and appears to be very intelligent and an extremely hard worker. That combined with being in the best system for success gives some hope.
I just worry about a guy coming from a Minnesota high school to NDSU to the NFL. I mean he's probably only played with or against 2 or 3 other Nfl type talents his whole life.

Originally posted by ritz126:
how can you look at his tape in college and tell me ball placement is a strength?

Im a huge fan of Lance but that was a huge weakness for him was accuracy and ball placement. Until i see improvement when live (basically TC and preseason) im going to assume its a weakness

I watched every single throw of his from 2019 today…and while he's not the most accurate QB to come out of college, he still completed 67% of his balls. He's by far more accurate then Cam, Lamar, Allen coming out of college…Watson and Herbert are two others that weren't known for their accuracy.

For him it was all lower mechanics…as a 19 yr old.

There's a nice timeline of him improving throughout his "lost season" and it's clear as day he's improved in the lower half of his body. Kid never had professional training as a QB. No bad habits from years of passing attempts. He's had basically a full NFL season worth of training on his mechanics.

that one clip is proof of improvements

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by ritz126:
how can you look at his tape in college and tell me ball placement is a strength?

Im a huge fan of Lance but that was a huge weakness for him was accuracy and ball placement. Until i see improvement when live (basically TC and preseason) im going to assume its a weakness

I watched every single throw of his from 2019 today…and while he's not the most accurate QB to come out of college, he still completed 67% of his balls. He's by far more accurate then Cam, Lamar, Allen coming out of college…Watson and Herbert are two others that weren't known for their accuracy.

For him it was all lower mechanics…as a 19 yr old.

There's a nice timeline of him improving throughout his "lost season" and it's clear as day he's improved in the lower half of his body. Kid never had professional training as a QB. No bad habits from years of passing attempts. He's had basically a full NFL season worth of training on his mechanics.

that one clip is proof of improvements

Same. I watched every single throw of his. His new mechanics will help a ton, the scheme here, separators at the skill position, etc.

When he does miss it's high and that's dangerous (Kittle and Reid getting hit low) and INT's.

If he works hard on that he's going to be in great shape.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Same. I watched every single throw of his. His new mechanics will help a ton, the scheme here, separators at the skill position, etc.

When he does miss it's high and that's dangerous (Kittle and Reid getting hit low) and INT's.

If he works hard on that he's going to be in great shape.

It was the same complaint that everyone had with Watson and Herbert coming out of college…balls sailing.

I think PPF had lance with just six turnover-worthy plays (including fumbles). That was a 1.6% rate, which was lower than any other Qb drafted this yr.

I think we're gonna be just fine, he just needs real reps.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Wewillwin:

Lions for the majority of Staffords career > 49ers roster and especially offensive weapons in 2017.

Brady won the Super Bowl last year (again!)

And outside of Brady, who this pure in the pocket passer that's crushing it in the league? There isn't anyone...the league is changing and has been for the past 5+ years. Young QBs having success have physical gifts, that help them maintain success until they can understand the nuances of playing QB. When you don't have those physical gifts all you have is the mental side, no rookie or young player is really ready for that. Just ask Josh Rosen who was deemed "pro-ready"

I'm also not talking about Stafford vs Jimmy, I'm saying throw him on a bad roster with bad coaches and see what he does (Lions was just an example) I bet the Jimmy truthers would change their tune a little.

But if you want to talk Stafford, you'll be hard pressed to find anyone that believes Jimmy is better outside of a 49ers fan forum.

Stafford is average like Jimmy. Are you a Stafford Truther?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Same. I watched every single throw of his. His new mechanics will help a ton, the scheme here, separators at the skill position, etc.

When he does miss it's high and that's dangerous (Kittle and Reid getting hit low) and INT's.

If he works hard on that he's going to be in great shape.

It was the same complaint that everyone had with Watson and Herbert coming out of college…balls sailing.

I think PPF had lance with just six turnover-worthy plays (including fumbles). That was a 1.6% rate, which was lower than any other Qb drafted this yr.

I think we're gonna be just fine, he just needs real reps.

I do too. I'm not too worried about it. He's already working hard on his mechanics. Add live bullets and let's see that growth.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Stafford is average like Jimmy. Are you a Stafford Truther?

Shanahan is. Shanny would have chose Stafford over Jimmy and made that clear to everyone

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Wewillwin:
Lions for the majority of Staffords career > 49ers roster and especially offensive weapons in 2017.

Brady won the Super Bowl last year (again!)

And outside of Brady, who this pure in the pocket passer that's crushing it in the league? There isn't anyone...the league is changing and has been for the past 5+ years. Young QBs having success have physical gifts, that help them maintain success until they can understand the nuances of playing QB. When you don't have those physical gifts all you have is the mental side, no rookie or young player is really ready for that. Just ask Josh Rosen who was deemed "pro-ready"

I'm also not talking about Stafford vs Jimmy, I'm saying throw him on a bad roster with bad coaches and see what he does (Lions was just an example) I bet the Jimmy truthers would change their tune a little.

But if you want to talk Stafford, you'll be hard pressed to find anyone that believes Jimmy is better outside of a 49ers fan forum.

Stafford is average like Jimmy. Are you a Stafford Truther?

Jimmy isn't close to being the QB Stafford is.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Wewillwin:
Lions for the majority of Staffords career > 49ers roster and especially offensive weapons in 2017.

Brady won the Super Bowl last year (again!)

And outside of Brady, who this pure in the pocket passer that's crushing it in the league? There isn't anyone...the league is changing and has been for the past 5+ years. Young QBs having success have physical gifts, that help them maintain success until they can understand the nuances of playing QB. When you don't have those physical gifts all you have is the mental side, no rookie or young player is really ready for that. Just ask Josh Rosen who was deemed "pro-ready"

I'm also not talking about Stafford vs Jimmy, I'm saying throw him on a bad roster with bad coaches and see what he does (Lions was just an example) I bet the Jimmy truthers would change their tune a little.

But if you want to talk Stafford, you'll be hard pressed to find anyone that believes Jimmy is better outside of a 49ers fan forum.

Stafford is average like Jimmy. Are you a Stafford Truther?

Stafford is not average and Jimmy wishes he can be anything like Stafford. I'm a realist and know that Stafford with the best coaching he's had and more overall talent not just 1 superstar in CJ he's going to be much more of an issue than Goff ever was. Still don't think LA is better than the 9ers as an overall team tho, LA is 1 Donald or Ramsey injury away from missing to fighting for their playoff lives. They absolutely have no depth

Originally posted by ninersrule4:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Wewillwin:
Lions for the majority of Staffords career > 49ers roster and especially offensive weapons in 2017.

Brady won the Super Bowl last year (again!)

And outside of Brady, who this pure in the pocket passer that's crushing it in the league? There isn't anyone...the league is changing and has been for the past 5+ years. Young QBs having success have physical gifts, that help them maintain success until they can understand the nuances of playing QB. When you don't have those physical gifts all you have is the mental side, no rookie or young player is really ready for that. Just ask Josh Rosen who was deemed "pro-ready"

I'm also not talking about Stafford vs Jimmy, I'm saying throw him on a bad roster with bad coaches and see what he does (Lions was just an example) I bet the Jimmy truthers would change their tune a little.

But if you want to talk Stafford, you'll be hard pressed to find anyone that believes Jimmy is better outside of a 49ers fan forum.

Stafford is average like Jimmy. Are you a Stafford Truther?

Jimmy isn't close to being the QB Stafford is.

Lol let him believe what he wants. Though it is funny seeing Woo' ranking of Jimmy. He went from a franchise QB, to a top 10 QB, to just average, in a matter of 6 months.