Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

I find it so weird that Trey Lance is the only QB in NFL history who the media and a big chunk of our fan base believes should be born capable of playing NFL QB and not require any time to learn how to play the position first, how to read defenses, etc. It's just so odd. Lawrence, Fields, Wilson, Jones, all were given the benefit of the doubt while they were sucking as they learned how to do it in the NFL, and ALL of them had significantly more experience in college than Trey. And of course, Brock had four years as a starter in college, and Darnold had 55 games in the NFL.

Am I wrong on this? Is it not a little peculiar that in the case of Lance, it is assumed that if he is not immediately good without any reps or time to learn then he will be eternally bad? How does this make any sense? One of you Trey critics please explain this to me—and when you do please notice that in a single off-season he completely overhauled his mechanics and now is a pretty accurate passer. So that development never happened? Why is it that he's doomed to suck before he even gets a chance to learn? Why is he the only one with that designation?

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Love this drive by Trey Lance… He ends the drive with his 6th straight completion being a TD to Cameron Latu pic.twitter.com/zyRXHYAqK7

— Coach Yac 🗣 (@Coach_Yac) August 20, 2023

Real nice drive.

Those were some really tough passes. All the talent in the World is right there. Just needs play time.

You're joking right? The only "really tough" pass in that sequence was the one to Snead, which was a very nice ball. All of the others were wide open by NFL standards. Given his struggles this preseason it was great to see him hit those. Despite some early misses, everyone should certainly be encouraged by this performance, but let's not get carried away.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I find it so weird that Trey Lance is the only QB in NFL history who the media and a big chunk of our fan base believes should be born capable of playing NFL QB and not require any time to learn how to play the position first, how to read defenses, etc. It's just so odd. Lawrence, Fields, Wilson, Jones, all were given the benefit of the doubt while they were sucking as they learned how to do it in the NFL, and ALL of them had significantly more experience in college than Trey. And of course, Brock had four years as a starter in college, and Darnold had 55 games in the NFL.

Am I wrong on this? Is it not a little peculiar that in the case of Lance, it is assumed that if he is not immediately good without any reps or time to learn then he will be eternally bad? How does this make any sense? One of you Trey critics please explain this to me—and when you do please notice that in a single off-season he completely overhauled his mechanics and now is a pretty accurate passer. So that development never happened? Why is it that he's doomed to suck before he even gets a chance to learn? Why is he the only one with that designation?

You are wrong. Everyone knows he needs time. The problem is we are impatient with a READY TO WIN ROSTER. A project like this should have NEVER BEEN DRAFTED. We can't ask kittle Williams deebo bosa warner, etc to waste their.prime years while Trey gets his precious reps. Shanahan had to beg and plead the team to be patient with him last year. This project was doomed feom the start.

Originally posted by 49ers81:
You're joking right? The only "really tough" pass in that sequence was the one to Snead, which was a very nice ball. All of the others were wide open by NFL standards. Given his struggles this preseason it was great to see him hit those. Despite some early misses, everyone should certainly be encouraged by this performance, but let's not get carried away.

Wide open,...Wide closed...he put a number of passes right on the money. Rewatch and notice the ball placement. It's an improvement.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
You are wrong. Everyone knows he needs time. The problem is we are impatient with a READY TO WIN ROSTER. A project like this should have NEVER BEEN DRAFTED.

Since the goal is for you to have a "Ready To Win Roster" every single year instead of a 2 year window (we went to the SB with Shanny a few seasons ago, case-in-point),....this makes no sense. Like....absolutely none.

If there's a reason he shouldn'tve been drafted, it would be that he ends up not being good enough to play as a starter in the NFL.

The argument can be made that if he were healthy enough last season, we'd be the run away SB favorites. That narrative has been destroyed by a lack of playing time and health,....but it at the same time kills this silly narrative you created and will die for.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I find it so weird that Trey Lance is the only QB in NFL history who the media and a big chunk of our fan base believes should be born capable of playing NFL QB and not require any time to learn how to play the position first, how to read defenses, etc. It's just so odd. Lawrence, Fields, Wilson, Jones, all were given the benefit of the doubt while they were sucking as they learned how to do it in the NFL, and ALL of them had significantly more experience in college than Trey. And of course, Brock had four years as a starter in college, and Darnold had 55 games in the NFL.

Am I wrong on this? Is it not a little peculiar that in the case of Lance, it is assumed that if he is not immediately good without any reps or time to learn then he will be eternally bad? How does this make any sense? One of you Trey critics please explain this to me—and when you do please notice that in a single off-season he completely overhauled his mechanics and now is a pretty accurate passer. So that development never happened? Why is it that he's doomed to suck before he even gets a chance to learn? Why is he the only one with that designation?

You are wrong. Everyone knows he needs time. The problem is we are impatient with a READY TO WIN ROSTER. A project like this should have NEVER BEEN DRAFTED. We can't ask kittle Williams deebo bosa warner, etc to waste their.prime years while Trey gets his precious reps. Shanahan had to beg and plead the team to be patient with him last year. This project was doomed feom the start.

Okay, I am referring to all the people who are saying he will always be trash and we know precisely what kind of QB he will ever be. I am well aware that Purdy is the best chance to win and should be starting. But that doesn't mean Lance can't get a lot better and even legitimately compete for the starting job next year. It's a possibility. The haters will say it's definitely not, despite the CLEAR AND OBVIOUS ELITE talent on display when he actually knows what he's doing. Nobody else on this team is making several throws in a row like that down the field. The guy has special talent. The claims here and around the media space is that he's hopelessly lost mentally and will never learn how to play the position—despite him never getting the opportunity to learn. He has not played consecutive full games in the NFL. How in the WORLD is that enough to know what he will someday be?

That is irrelevant to the reality of the situation of the 49ers, that he got hurt and Purdy has shown that he is a damn good quarterback.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I find it so weird that Trey Lance is the only QB in NFL history who the media and a big chunk of our fan base believes should be born capable of playing NFL QB and not require any time to learn how to play the position first, how to read defenses, etc. It's just so odd. Lawrence, Fields, Wilson, Jones, all were given the benefit of the doubt while they were sucking as they learned how to do it in the NFL, and ALL of them had significantly more experience in college than Trey. And of course, Brock had four years as a starter in college, and Darnold had 55 games in the NFL.

Am I wrong on this? Is it not a little peculiar that in the case of Lance, it is assumed that if he is not immediately good without any reps or time to learn then he will be eternally bad? How does this make any sense? One of you Trey critics please explain this to me—and when you do please notice that in a single off-season he completely overhauled his mechanics and now is a pretty accurate passer. So that development never happened? Why is it that he's doomed to suck before he even gets a chance to learn? Why is he the only one with that designation?

You are wrong. Everyone knows he needs time. The problem is we are impatient with a READY TO WIN ROSTER. A project like this should have NEVER BEEN DRAFTED. We can't ask kittle Williams deebo bosa warner, etc to waste their.prime years while Trey gets his precious reps. Shanahan had to beg and plead the team to be patient with him last year. This project was doomed feom the start.

Okay, I am referring to all the people who are saying he will always be trash and we know precisely what kind of QB he will ever be. I am well aware that Purdy is the best chance to win and should be starting. But that doesn't mean Lance can't get a lot better and even legitimately compete for the starting job next year. It's a possibility. The haters will say it's definitely not, despite the CLEAR AND OBVIOUS ELITE talent on display when he actually knows what he's doing. Nobody else on this team is making several throws in a row like that down the field. The guy has special talent. The claims here and around the media space is that he's hopelessly lost mentally and will never learn how to play the position—despite him never getting the opportunity to learn. He has not played consecutive full games in the NFL. How in the WORLD is that enough to know what he will someday be?

That is irrelevant to the reality of the situation of the 49ers, that he got hurt and Purdy has shown that he is a damn good quarterback.

Fair enough. Lance impressed me yesterday with his last two drives. I hadn't seen that cofidence and decisiveness out of him. Granted it was the 4th quarter in a preseason game. I've said it would.be so dumb to trade him at this point because he's still unknown. However, IMO Trey would be better served somewhere else because he isn't getting the reps he desperately needs here. If I were Trey I would want to move on.

Thanks for the update. Didn't get to see the game but the consensus is he started slow but then played very well and showed improvement. This is what I like to see so let's hope that continues next week.

Originally posted by krizay:
Trey definitely ended better than he started on those last 2 drives. My issue though is, (going off of what I believe i saw and not rewatching the game) he struggled when we ran Kyle's basic offense. Wasn't until we had to run the uptempo stuff did he look good.

It was a nice step forward nonetheless. I still think he struggles with Kyle's basic offense.

Never change man…

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Love this drive by Trey Lance… He ends the drive with his 6th straight completion being a TD to Cameron Latu pic.twitter.com/zyRXHYAqK7

— Coach Yac 🗣 (@Coach_Yac) August 20, 2023

Real nice drive.

Those were some really tough passes. All the talent in the World is right there. Just needs play time.

You're joking right? The only "really tough" pass in that sequence was the one to Snead, which was a very nice ball. All of the others were wide open by NFL standards. Given his struggles this preseason it was great to see him hit those. Despite some early misses, everyone should certainly be encouraged by this performance, but let's not get carried away.

The narrative on him a few weeks ago was "he can't make the easy throws"

Now that he's making them consistently we want to move the goalposts again?

And if we're talking about being carried away go read comments from last week when people ran in here to say the kid is trash and not good enough to even be QB3…also note how many people brought up Darnold or Allen facing 3rd/4th stringers.

Good bounce back. Brock should get the 1st qtr next week then Trey

Originally posted by lamontb:
Good bounce back. Brock should get the 1st qtr next week then Trey

I dunno, kinda think Brock should sit. He showed plenty that he's ready to go. Maybe give him the first series like last night, depending on how the drive goes.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I find it so weird that Trey Lance is the only QB in NFL history who the media and a big chunk of our fan base believes should be born capable of playing NFL QB and not require any time to learn how to play the position first, how to read defenses, etc. It's just so odd. Lawrence, Fields, Wilson, Jones, all were given the benefit of the doubt while they were sucking as they learned how to do it in the NFL, and ALL of them had significantly more experience in college than Trey. And of course, Brock had four years as a starter in college, and Darnold had 55 games in the NFL.

Am I wrong on this? Is it not a little peculiar that in the case of Lance, it is assumed that if he is not immediately good without any reps or time to learn then he will be eternally bad? How does this make any sense? One of you Trey critics please explain this to me—and when you do please notice that in a single off-season he completely overhauled his mechanics and now is a pretty accurate passer. So that development never happened? Why is it that he's doomed to suck before he even gets a chance to learn? Why is he the only one with that designation?

I'd say yes you're wrong to a degree in which anytime you take such a huge sweeping statement as "the only QB in NFL history".

Off hand, I would say that the QB who was dubbed by Sports Illustrated as "Robo QB", whose father raised him to be the perfect quarterback, Todd Marinovich, would have fit into that QB. And obviously he was a massive bust.

And even quarterbacks who were considered generational if not for their arm talent, but for the talent they did have combined with their aptitude, Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck, and indeed whose fathers were former NFL QBs (and even teammates oddly at one point) would have faced similar expectations.

I think with Trey it's a combination of two or three things with both the media and the fan base. First, the media coverage and number of voices is larger than ever. In Marinovich's day, it was Sports Illustrated and ESPN, mostly. Other outlets as well but mostly. Now, Sports Illustrated is of course a different entity in this day and age but all defunct print media has been supplanted by the entire internet, which is, um, louder.

Combine that with the media's apparent desire to be hypercritical of the 49ers. Combine that with the fact that our "genius" head coach traded up to hand pick this wunderkid and there was always going to be a microscope. And even with that, we all are in our own fishbowl as Zach Wilson has liked had it tougher than Trey in that New York market.

Unfortunately for Trey it's a league and a world of what have you done for me lately and Trey hasn't been on the field to do much of anything. All of those QBs you mentioned given the benefit of the doubt, they also managed to stay on the field and play and learn through their mistakes. Well, in the case of Lawrence, Fields, and Jones anyway. Trey gets hurt, Brock Purdy comes out of nowhere to be the great "Rudy" story only one who's actually good, and Trey gets Wally Pipped and has to be not just adequate but amazing to any credit.

It's not fair of course. But I highly doubt if it's the first time in history even if each individual case has some uniqueness. Personally, I haven't been as much of a Trey critic as someone who felt like people were jumping the gun wanting to dump an admittedly limited, sometimes frustrating, but very competent QB in Jimmy for a guy who played relatively little at a FCS school. The unfortunate thing for him is he's seemingly stuck at this point barring injury as being the guy looked at as Kyle's handpicked future franchise QB who is just a backup at best barring another injury to Brock or his play regressing big time. And as a 3rd overall pick in the draft, traded up for, at that position, yeah unless and until that changes he's always going to have it tough. Fair or not.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I find it so weird that Trey Lance is the only QB in NFL history who the media and a big chunk of our fan base believes should be born capable of playing NFL QB and not require any time to learn how to play the position first, how to read defenses, etc. It's just so odd. Lawrence, Fields, Wilson, Jones, all were given the benefit of the doubt while they were sucking as they learned how to do it in the NFL, and ALL of them had significantly more experience in college than Trey. And of course, Brock had four years as a starter in college, and Darnold had 55 games in the NFL.

Am I wrong on this? Is it not a little peculiar that in the case of Lance, it is assumed that if he is not immediately good without any reps or time to learn then he will be eternally bad? How does this make any sense? One of you Trey critics please explain this to me—and when you do please notice that in a single off-season he completely overhauled his mechanics and now is a pretty accurate passer. So that development never happened? Why is it that he's doomed to suck before he even gets a chance to learn? Why is he the only one with that designation?

You are wrong. Everyone knows he needs time. The problem is we are impatient with a READY TO WIN ROSTER. A project like this should have NEVER BEEN DRAFTED. We can't ask kittle Williams deebo bosa warner, etc to waste their.prime years while Trey gets his precious reps. Shanahan had to beg and plead the team to be patient with him last year. This project was doomed feom the start.

You are correct, especially when you consider what we gave up and where he was drafted.

We are playing luck ball at the QB position, if our coach knew Brock was so good why was he not starting last season? Why did it take Trey & Jimmy G to get injured to get him on the field? He didn't get any reps last season outside of scout team and the plan was to burry him on the depth chart. Why doesn't our coach know whats going on at the QB position? We passed up on Mahomes & Watson for a DT from Stanford for gods sake, then got beat by Mahomes in the super bowl!

Our coach seems to be guessing while the top coaches are winning super bowls with strategic moves rather than these emotional guessing games.

Hoping next week he gets the kind of reps Darnold got this week. He seemed to get into a groove as he got going.