Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

The out of context narrative is that TL balled out last night with stats to support it... but we see this every year, backup qbs who do well late in preseason games against defensive players who will never got on the field in the regular season... most any backup qb will be successful passing against soft zone prevent coverages at the end of games with 3rd/4th team scrubs... TL's best ball is a fast ball straight down the field, the easiest ball to throw, requires no touch or directional placement and he hit on several of those tonight... compare his tape running Shanny's regular season offense to Brock and Sammy, like night and day it's not even close...

Shanny set up TL last night to succeed with plays that he can run best, not the KS base offense, to lock in QB3 as Brandon Allen didn't even get a chance, and TL sealed that up... KS pitched him a softball last night and I give TL credit for hitting it, took some time though and he tried to screw it up early (pick to a DL on a screen pass, come on LOL). If any QB on this team is not getting a fair chance it's Brandon Allen, I think KS is holding him back because he knows he will put up the tape needed to be QB3 so he is preventing that from happening... KS is trying hard at this point to save face with the TL debacle.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Hoping next week he gets the kind of reps Darnold got this week. He seemed to get into a groove as he got going.

Not just seemed to. He certainly was in a groove until he was backed up for that 2 pt. conversion.

Originally posted by genus49:
Never change man…

Thanks for the advice

A much better game for sure. I thought the "almost pick" right before the start of the 3rd and 13 drive was still very concerning.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
You are wrong. Everyone knows he needs time. The problem is we are impatient with a READY TO WIN ROSTER. A project like this should have NEVER BEEN DRAFTED.

Since the goal is for you to have a "Ready To Win Roster" every single year instead of a 2 year window (we went to the SB with Shanny a few seasons ago, case-in-point),....this makes no sense. Like....absolutely none.

If there's a reason he shouldn'tve been drafted, it would be that he ends up not being good enough to play as a starter in the NFL.

The argument can be made that if he were healthy enough last season, we'd be the run away SB favorites. That narrative has been destroyed by a lack of playing time and health,....but it at the same time kills this silly narrative you created and will die for.

An argument can be made but those would have been lonnnnnnng Vegas odds for us to be "run away SB favorites" with an unproven QB in what is generally still considered to be a QB driven league. I'm sure we were still up there regardless with our roster and particularly in the NFC. But as far as "runaway SB favorites" with teams in the AFC like KC, Buffalo, and Cincinnati with their QB's, runaway favorites before the season started, um, extremely unlikely.

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
You are wrong. Everyone knows he needs time. The problem is we are impatient with a READY TO WIN ROSTER. A project like this should have NEVER BEEN DRAFTED.

Since the goal is for you to have a "Ready To Win Roster" every single year instead of a 2 year window (we went to the SB with Shanny a few seasons ago, case-in-point),....this makes no sense. Like....absolutely none.

If there's a reason he shouldn'tve been drafted, it would be that he ends up not being good enough to play as a starter in the NFL.

The argument can be made that if he were healthy enough last season, we'd be the run away SB favorites. That narrative has been destroyed by a lack of playing time and health,....but it at the same time kills this silly narrative you created and will die for.

An argument can be made but those would have been lonnnnnnng Vegas odds for us to be "run away SB favorites" with an unproven QB in what is generally still considered to be a QB driven league. I'm sure we were still up there regardless with our roster and particularly in the NFC. But as far as "runaway SB favorites" with teams in the AFC like KC, Buffalo, and Cincinnati with their QB's, runaway favorites before the season started, um, extremely unlikely.

"for an unproven qb" --Did you not see the condition where I said if he'd never gotten injured and had gotten a year of experience under his belt?

This is something that even Brock doesn't have.

Great game against 3rd string defense.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Love this drive by Trey Lance… He ends the drive with his 6th straight completion being a TD to Cameron Latu pic.twitter.com/zyRXHYAqK7

— Coach Yac 🗣 (@Coach_Yac) August 20, 2023

Real nice drive.

Those were some really tough passes. All the talent in the World is right there. Just needs play time.

You're joking right? The only "really tough" pass in that sequence was the one to Snead, which was a very nice ball. All of the others were wide open by NFL standards. Given his struggles this preseason it was great to see him hit those. Despite some early misses, everyone should certainly be encouraged by this performance, but let's not get carried away.

The narrative on him a few weeks ago was "he can't make the easy throws"

Now that he's making them consistently we want to move the goalposts again?

And if we're talking about being carried away go read comments from last week when people ran in here to say the kid is trash and not good enough to even be QB3…also note how many people brought up Darnold or Allen facing 3rd/4th stringers.

Who's moving the goalposts? I acknowledged they were good throws and that everyone should be encouraged by that. What I took exception to was the notion that there were a lot of "really tough passes" in that sequence and I stand by my opinion that every ball except the one to Snead was wide open by NFL standards. For Lance to move forward in this offense he needs to show that those are the kind of passes he can hit consistently. Hopefully, he'll stay on this trajectory next week and string a couple of good performances together in a row. I also said in another post that based on his performance last night, I would rather see him get the number two spot since Darnold doesn't seem like a guy who is going to win a lot of games for us. There's just something about him that's off. So before you get your panties in a twist, get your facts straight.

As to what other people were saying last week, what do I care? I wasn't one of them and I haven't made any comments about the quality of the opposition. What I want to see from Lance is an ability to hit the guys who are open when they're open, which he did on that last drive. Of course, he also threw a really ugly pick on a screenplay, but overall the arrow was up on him tonight so now it's up to him to keep it moving in that direction.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
You are wrong. Everyone knows he needs time. The problem is we are impatient with a READY TO WIN ROSTER. A project like this should have NEVER BEEN DRAFTED.

Since the goal is for you to have a "Ready To Win Roster" every single year instead of a 2 year window (we went to the SB with Shanny a few seasons ago, case-in-point),....this makes no sense. Like....absolutely none.

If there's a reason he shouldn'tve been drafted, it would be that he ends up not being good enough to play as a starter in the NFL.

The argument can be made that if he were healthy enough last season, we'd be the run away SB favorites. That narrative has been destroyed by a lack of playing time and health,....but it at the same time kills this silly narrative you created and will die for.

An argument can be made but those would have been lonnnnnnng Vegas odds for us to be "run away SB favorites" with an unproven QB in what is generally still considered to be a QB driven league. I'm sure we were still up there regardless with our roster and particularly in the NFC. But as far as "runaway SB favorites" with teams in the AFC like KC, Buffalo, and Cincinnati with their QB's, runaway favorites before the season started, um, extremely unlikely.

"for an unproven qb" --Did you not see the condition where I said if he'd never gotten injured and had gotten a year of experience under his belt?

This is something that even Brock doesn't have.

You can put conditions on anything.

"If Jimmy threw a better deep ball." "If Jimmy stayed healthy". "If Jimmy conquered throwing picks to linebackers."

And I mean you can look at it that way and we're probably looking at it from different angles of the season.

My angle is no way was anyone but the most optimistic 49ers fan thinking that at the beginning of the season. There's a guy I work with, Bengals fan, (I do live in Ohio), who said in Week One he had the Bears beating us because no one knows anything about Trey Lance. And that was a monsoon game in which neither QB played very well but he was right and we lost to one of the worst teams in the league.

I'd say still only the most optimistic fans would have considered us runaway Super Bowl favorites under your circumstances of getting a year of experience under his belt as even someone I mentioned who is a Top 3-5 QB all time, Peyton Manning, lead the league in interceptions as a rookie. And that was playing for a far worse team but also being much further along as a QB than Trey was last year. If I recall there were a number of people who thought we would probably/possibly sacrifice some wins that we may have gotten with Jimmy last year but going forward the future would be better with the experience Trey gained.

TRey >>> Sam

Just be glad our 2/3 is Lance & Darnold (or vice versa) instead of someone like Will Grier. Cowpies behind Dak (who chokes anyway) are bad cuz Grier sucks.

Originally posted by OhioNiner:
You can put conditions on anything.

No. The condition I put revolves around the same simple premise: Trey is inexperienced,...is growing,...and we don't know how he'll end up given a full season slate as a starter.

Jimmy? I've already seen the kind of player Jimmy G is as a starter. No conditions there,...nor is there a need to go back and time and "what if."

You see the difference?

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I find it so weird that Trey Lance is the only QB in NFL history who the media and a big chunk of our fan base believes should be born capable of playing NFL QB and not require any time to learn how to play the position first, how to read defenses, etc. It's just so odd. Lawrence, Fields, Wilson, Jones, all were given the benefit of the doubt while they were sucking as they learned how to do it in the NFL, and ALL of them had significantly more experience in college than Trey. And of course, Brock had four years as a starter in college, and Darnold had 55 games in the NFL.

Am I wrong on this? Is it not a little peculiar that in the case of Lance, it is assumed that if he is not immediately good without any reps or time to learn then he will be eternally bad? How does this make any sense? One of you Trey critics please explain this to me—and when you do please notice that in a single off-season he completely overhauled his mechanics and now is a pretty accurate passer. So that development never happened? Why is it that he's doomed to suck before he even gets a chance to learn? Why is he the only one with that designation?

I think it's because you're so eager to defend Trey that you don't look at each situation in its entirety.

Lawrence was proven coming out. Then was put in an environment set up to fail in year one. He struggled. His struggles was documented. His environment changed as did his expectations and play.

Fields played in big games in college so he had some sweat equity. He too was put in an environment setup to fail. His struggles were well documented. His environment changed and while his passing play still underwhelmed some of it could be due to personnel. This offseason will tell his story.

Mac Jones complete opposite of 1st two. Was drafted in a great environment played decent. Then put in a bad environment and struggled. This year he is back in a good environment.

Zach Wilson drafted into a good environment. Struggled and got benched.

Trey was drafted into a great environment Struggled. And now fighting to be 2nd string.

The 1st 3 was given benefit of doubt because of supporting cast and coaching staffs.

As you see with Wilson if you don't have any excuse not to succeed and you fail you won't play.

You say he completely overhauled his mechanics in a single off-season. Truth is he's being working on all that since 2019. It's been multiple off-seasons. The fact it took 3 years here for him to figure that out is on him. Zach Wilson has already proved Trey isn't the only one with that designation. If Justin and/or Mac struggles this year, they too will be cast aside.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I find it so weird that Trey Lance is the only QB in NFL history who the media and a big chunk of our fan base believes should be born capable of playing NFL QB and not require any time to learn how to play the position first, how to read defenses, etc. It's just so odd. Lawrence, Fields, Wilson, Jones, all were given the benefit of the doubt while they were sucking as they learned how to do it in the NFL, and ALL of them had significantly more experience in college than Trey. And of course, Brock had four years as a starter in college, and Darnold had 55 games in the NFL.

Am I wrong on this? Is it not a little peculiar that in the case of Lance, it is assumed that if he is not immediately good without any reps or time to learn then he will be eternally bad? How does this make any sense? One of you Trey critics please explain this to me—and when you do please notice that in a single off-season he completely overhauled his mechanics and now is a pretty accurate passer. So that development never happened? Why is it that he's doomed to suck before he even gets a chance to learn? Why is he the only one with that designation?

I think it's because you're so eager to defend Trey that you don't look at each situation in its entirety.

Lawrence was proven coming out. Then was put in an environment set up to fail in year one. He struggled. His struggles was documented. His environment changed as did his expectations and play.

Fields played in big games in college so he had some sweat equity. He too was put in an environment setup to fail. His struggles were well documented. His environment changed and while his passing play still underwhelmed some of it could be due to personnel. This offseason will tell his story.

Mac Jones complete opposite of 1st two. Was drafted in a great environment played decent. Then put in a bad environment and struggled. This year he is back in a good environment.

Zach Wilson drafted into a good environment. Struggled and got benched.

Trey was drafted into a great environment Struggled. And now fighting to be 2nd string.

The 1st 3 was given benefit of doubt because of supporting cast and coaching staffs.

As you see with Wilson if you don't have any excuse not to succeed and you fail you won't play.

You say he completely overhauled his mechanics in a single off-season. Truth is he's being working on all that since 2019. It's been multiple off-seasons. The fact it took 3 years here for him to figure that out is on him. Zach Wilson has already proved Trey isn't the only one with that designation. If Justin and/or Mac struggles this year, they too will be cast aside.

lol Fields Mac, Zach, Lawrence. What do they all have in common that Lance doesn't have? I think you can figure this one out.

Trying to attach him to any of these guys (good or bad) is a wasted effort but continue, I guess?

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I find it so weird that Trey Lance is the only QB in NFL history who the media and a big chunk of our fan base believes should be born capable of playing NFL QB and not require any time to learn how to play the position first, how to read defenses, etc. It's just so odd. Lawrence, Fields, Wilson, Jones, all were given the benefit of the doubt while they were sucking as they learned how to do it in the NFL, and ALL of them had significantly more experience in college than Trey. And of course, Brock had four years as a starter in college, and Darnold had 55 games in the NFL.

Am I wrong on this? Is it not a little peculiar that in the case of Lance, it is assumed that if he is not immediately good without any reps or time to learn then he will be eternally bad? How does this make any sense? One of you Trey critics please explain this to me—and when you do please notice that in a single off-season he completely overhauled his mechanics and now is a pretty accurate passer. So that development never happened? Why is it that he's doomed to suck before he even gets a chance to learn? Why is he the only one with that designation?

You are wrong. Everyone knows he needs time. The problem is we are impatient with a READY TO WIN ROSTER. A project like this should have NEVER BEEN DRAFTED. We can't ask kittle Williams deebo bosa warner, etc to waste their.prime years while Trey gets his precious reps. Shanahan had to beg and plead the team to be patient with him last year. This project was doomed feom the start.

Okay, I am referring to all the people who are saying he will always be trash and we know precisely what kind of QB he will ever be. I am well aware that Purdy is the best chance to win and should be starting. But that doesn't mean Lance can't get a lot better and even legitimately compete for the starting job next year. It's a possibility. The haters will say it's definitely not, despite the CLEAR AND OBVIOUS ELITE talent on display when he actually knows what he's doing. Nobody else on this team is making several throws in a row like that down the field. The guy has special talent. The claims here and around the media space is that he's hopelessly lost mentally and will never learn how to play the position—despite him never getting the opportunity to learn. He has not played consecutive full games in the NFL. How in the WORLD is that enough to know what he will someday be?

That is irrelevant to the reality of the situation of the 49ers, that he got hurt and Purdy has shown that he is a damn good quarterback.

Fair enough. Lance impressed me yesterday with his last two drives. I hadn't seen that cofidence and decisiveness out of him. Granted it was the 4th quarter in a preseason game. I've said it would.be so dumb to trade him at this point because he's still unknown. However, IMO Trey would be better served somewhere else because he isn't getting the reps he desperately needs here. If I were Trey I would want to move on.

IMHO the issue with that isn't the competition. A couple of those throws would be difficult no matter what, because a tight window under pressure is a tight window under pressure. The issue with that, IMHO, is the MENTAL pressure. He has, thus far, mostly crumbled under mental pressure. Especially last week when you could kind of sense the weight of doubt on him. But regarding the 4th quarter yesterday, as you said it's the 4th quarter in a pre-season game. There is no pressure. Moreover, he came off after Darnold, which means, again, no pressure and no expectations. He put it together and played with confidence when there were zero expectations and no pressure. How will he play when it matters and everyone is on his back?

As for your last sentence, if I were Trey I would wait to move on as long as possible, since this is a great opportunity to learn on a winning team. If, god forbid, someone gets hurt and he gets a chance, this will be far greater opportunity than if he's the back up on the Texans or somewhere like that.