Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I find it so weird that Trey Lance is the only QB in NFL history who the media and a big chunk of our fan base believes should be born capable of playing NFL QB and not require any time to learn how to play the position first, how to read defenses, etc. It's just so odd. Lawrence, Fields, Wilson, Jones, all were given the benefit of the doubt while they were sucking as they learned how to do it in the NFL, and ALL of them had significantly more experience in college than Trey. And of course, Brock had four years as a starter in college, and Darnold had 55 games in the NFL.

Am I wrong on this? Is it not a little peculiar that in the case of Lance, it is assumed that if he is not immediately good without any reps or time to learn then he will be eternally bad? How does this make any sense? One of you Trey critics please explain this to me—and when you do please notice that in a single off-season he completely overhauled his mechanics and now is a pretty accurate passer. So that development never happened? Why is it that he's doomed to suck before he even gets a chance to learn? Why is he the only one with that designation?

Because people are f**king idiots.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The argument over Trey vs Brock will continue until one is traded or leaves. I'm not as down on Trey as many of the posters are but I'm not as thumbs up on Brock as many are either.

As far as I'm concerned, neither has proven they can or can't play. It's just too small of a sample size. If Brock plays like he did last year for an entire year and then does it again in 2024 then I'll feel like we have a real solid QB. Seven games isn't enough to convince me. Same for Trey. Until I've seen enough to know for sure that he can't play in the NFL I'll just wait and see.

I've seen this picture too many times to jump on a band wagon only to get let down. It's been a long time since we've had a QB that's played well 2 or more seasons in a row or even stayed healthy 2 straight seasons.

There's no "Purdy vs Trey" argument.

Brock is QB1 and he'll probably be our FQB.

Trey is only fighting to secure QB2.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Why would anyone "strongly dislike" Lance or anyone on the team? I can see not believing in someone, but strongly dislike?

However I do believe, despite how unreasonable it is, there are people here who strongly dislike him.

Three reasons

1. they are insecure and don't want anyone to threaten the guy they like

2. They need to be right and thus have dug in deep

3. They can't stand the people who support Trey similarly to the way they support their guy.

In summary… it's all about them

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Why would anyone "strongly dislike" Lance or anyone on the team? I can see not believing in someone, but strongly dislike?

However I do believe, despite how unreasonable it is, there are people here who strongly dislike him.

I think the people who "strongly dislike" Trey, that it doesn't have anything really to do with Trey in and of himself. I think some people want to be right about their take on him and will do/say whatever they need to in an effort to still feel like their original take was right.

that isnt unique to Lance, happens with all players, but it gets magnified with QBs.

I have a crackpot theory: I think the real reason is that he was initially drafted to replace Jimmy G. Especially one of the guys (the one with multiple accounts that have been banned), because I'm pretty sure that dude is a Jimmy family member or friend (this was the guy who said Steve Young had the weakest arm in NFL history).

Could be, I don't care enough to know any detail like that.

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Why would anyone "strongly dislike" Lance or anyone on the team? I can see not believing in someone, but strongly dislike?

However I do believe, despite how unreasonable it is, there are people here who strongly dislike him.

Three reasons

1. they are insecure and don't want anyone to threaten the guy they like

2. They need to be right and thus have dug in deep

3. They can't stand the people who support Trey similarly to the way they support their guy.

In summary… it's all about them

Worst analysis I've ever seen since I started posting here in 2006.

How about people are upset because we gave up THREE first rounders for someone who is playing like a mid-round pick, is quite likely to be QB3, and has no value in the trade market?

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Why would anyone "strongly dislike" Lance or anyone on the team? I can see not believing in someone, but strongly dislike?

However I do believe, despite how unreasonable it is, there are people here who strongly dislike him.

Three reasons

1. they are insecure and don't want anyone to threaten the guy they like

2. They need to be right and thus have dug in deep

3. They can't stand the people who support Trey similarly to the way they support their guy.

In summary… it's all about them

Worst analysis I've ever seen since I started posting here in 2006.

How about people are upset because we gave up THREE first rounders for someone who is playing like a mid-round pick, is quite likely to be QB3, and has no value in the trade market?

Except they were like that from the day he was drafted.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Why would anyone "strongly dislike" Lance or anyone on the team? I can see not believing in someone, but strongly dislike?

However I do believe, despite how unreasonable it is, there are people here who strongly dislike him.

Three reasons

1. they are insecure and don't want anyone to threaten the guy they like

2. They need to be right and thus have dug in deep

3. They can't stand the people who support Trey similarly to the way they support their guy.

In summary… it's all about them

Worst analysis I've ever seen since I started posting here in 2006.

How about people are upset because we gave up THREE first rounders for someone who is playing like a mid-round pick, is quite likely to be QB3, and has no value in the trade market?

Except they were like that from the day he was drafted.

I can only speak for myself, but I was very excited when he was drafted, only because I trusted the FO and I thought maybe he could be the real deal. He had some very nice plays yesterday, but a few concerning ones as well that could have been game changers in a real game. I personally want to see Trey kick ass, on this team. But the more he doesn't, the more I'm pissed and it comes out in my posts, because we have holes on the roster - OL in particular - that could have been filled with first rounders. Instead we have Trey.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:

The out of context narrative is that TL balled out last night with stats to support it... but we see this every year, backup qbs who do well late in preseason games against defensive players who will never got on the field in the regular season... most any backup qb will be successful passing against soft zone prevent coverages at the end of games with 3rd/4th team scrubs... TL's best ball is a fast ball straight down the field, the easiest ball to throw, requires no touch or directional placement and he hit on several of those tonight... compare his tape running Shanny's regular season offense to Brock and Sammy, like night and day it's not even close...

Shanny set up TL last night to succeed with plays that he can run best, not the KS base offense, to lock in QB3 as Brandon Allen didn't even get a chance, and TL sealed that up... KS pitched him a softball last night and I give TL credit for hitting it, took some time though and he tried to screw it up early (pick to a DL on a screen pass, come on LOL). If any QB on this team is not getting a fair chance it's Brandon Allen, I think KS is holding him back because he knows he will put up the tape needed to be QB3 so he is preventing that from happening... KS is trying hard at this point to save face with the TL debacle.

Man I don't think there's a more anti-Trey poster on this board than you, river.

If Trey does bad, it's cause he's trash, but if he does something good it's a wild conspiracy theory that his success had to be artificially manufactured by Kyle and had almost nothing to do with his own abilities.

You sound like an extreme version of Grant Cohn on the other end of the spectrum lol.

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I find it so weird that Trey Lance is the only QB in NFL history who the media and a big chunk of our fan base believes should be born capable of playing NFL QB and not require any time to learn how to play the position first, how to read defenses, etc. It's just so odd. Lawrence, Fields, Wilson, Jones, all were given the benefit of the doubt while they were sucking as they learned how to do it in the NFL, and ALL of them had significantly more experience in college than Trey. And of course, Brock had four years as a starter in college, and Darnold had 55 games in the NFL.

Am I wrong on this? Is it not a little peculiar that in the case of Lance, it is assumed that if he is not immediately good without any reps or time to learn then he will be eternally bad? How does this make any sense? One of you Trey critics please explain this to me—and when you do please notice that in a single off-season he completely overhauled his mechanics and now is a pretty accurate passer. So that development never happened? Why is it that he's doomed to suck before he even gets a chance to learn? Why is he the only one with that designation?

Because people are f**king idiots.

I don't think I've seen enough to say his accuracy is a non-issue now.

As to needing reps:

This is the NFL… it is what it is. There's seldom chances where you get to start to prove you can QB. Generally you have to prove you are a QB to start. Trey got one of those chances last year and unfortunately got injured.

These are peoples jobs, their lively hoods to support families. For the most part you don't ask all of them to risk that (players and coaches) to allow someone to prove they can QB.

At this point even if we were to cut Trey I'd be surprised if a NFL team picked him up to be a starter. So If at this point in his life he needs to learn how to get that experience / confidence without game time or hope he lucks into reps due to someone's injury. Otherwise there's a tremendous amount of risk to his long term career.

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Why would anyone "strongly dislike" Lance or anyone on the team? I can see not believing in someone, but strongly dislike?

However I do believe, despite how unreasonable it is, there are people here who strongly dislike him.

Three reasons

1. they are insecure and don't want anyone to threaten the guy they like

2. They need to be right and thus have dug in deep

3. They can't stand the people who support Trey similarly to the way they support their guy.

In summary… it's all about them

Worst analysis I've ever seen since I started posting here in 2006.

How about people are upset because we gave up THREE first rounders for someone who is playing like a mid-round pick, is quite likely to be QB3, and has no value in the trade market?

Still falls under my summary clause but thanks. You can hate JL and MS but to hate Trey for something he had no control over says… it's about those people and not Trey.

thanks

Originally posted by Shorteous:
Still falls under my summary clause but thanks. You can hate JL and MS but to hate Trey for something he had no control over says… it's about those people and not Trey.

thanks

Your argument makes no sense. That's like saying if a president sucks, to hate the voters instead of the president. If someone sucks, they should be held accountable for sucking.

crying over 3 first round picks that are behind us while we still have one of the best rosters in the league is so annoying. would one of those firsts been able to help us beat the eagles last year when we had no qbs left?

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by Shorteous:
Still falls under my summary clause but thanks. You can hate JL and MS but to hate Trey for something he had no control over says… it's about those people and not Trey.

thanks

Your argument makes no sense. That's like saying if a president sucks, to hate the voters instead of the president. If someone sucks, they should be held accountable for sucking.

Nobody said anything about not holding Trey accountable. There's a difference in objectively saying Trey is not ready and hoping he gets there before he runs out of time vs actually disliking him and tearing down his success and failures. That's what I'm speaking to but I guess we spoke past each other in our posts.

And to your point, people do hate the voters who put someone they don't like in the Presidency. And the votees and non-votees biasly judge the success and failures of said president based on their personal beliefs.

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Why would anyone "strongly dislike" Lance or anyone on the team? I can see not believing in someone, but strongly dislike?

However I do believe, despite how unreasonable it is, there are people here who strongly dislike him.

Three reasons

1. they are insecure and don't want anyone to threaten the guy they like

2. They need to be right and thus have dug in deep

3. They can't stand the people who support Trey similarly to the way they support their guy.

In summary… it's all about them

Worst analysis I've ever seen since I started posting here in 2006.

How about people are upset because we gave up THREE first rounders for someone who is playing like a mid-round pick, is quite likely to be QB3, and has no value in the trade market?

Still falls under my summary clause but thanks. You can hate JL and MS but to hate Trey for something he had no control over says… it's about those people and not Trey.

thanks

So in essence you can say Trey Lance can do no wrong and that it's someone else's fault for Trey looking so timid and indecisive?? People were so quick to say for damn sure that they know what we have in Darnold without context. And I don't wanna take anything away from Trey Lance yesterday cause he played great, but add context to that on why he played great.

With your summary would you say you are innocent in your three reasons??

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Honestly, even people who strongly dislike Lance, should be rooting for him. It's a win/win for everyone - the organization gets an asset with improved value and a better backup. Die hard Trey fans get some confirmation that he really can play in this league etc.

I've alway maintained he could play well in this league, I just think he needs a ton of reps that we can't really afford right now.

even though these are pre season reps. It's just more film of himself that he can study and grow from, more experiences for him to revert back to during his future play. It's all important.

This team could afford it if we didn't have Brock. Their only concern should be developing a franchise QB. Even if it means taking a step back with whoever that is. We aren't gonna beat the AFC in the SB unless we get a guy of our own.

I just posted about this a moment ago but I think Brock is that guy and Lance/Darnold aren't. They're both quality players but i think Brock has the ability to be special and elevate a franchise, like he's already done. So I think we have the best guy as QB1 for the present and future. That's my opinion.

I'd say Purdy looks like a top tier QB so far, but it's still a bit early to know for certain. He has some room to develop though, which is a great sign. He's not reached his ceiling. But on the flip side, I believe both Lance and Darnold have the raw ability to be better than Purdy can ever hope to be. However, unfulfilled potential in the NFL is as common as prospects who never play in a regular season game.

Purdy has a lot he can get better at and that's awesome because all he's done when he's played, Is play at a high level. That's it. His worst games would be career games for Lance/Darnold

so until Brock shows he isn't on track to be an elite qb, I'm a fan.

if he was drafted higher, everyone and their mother would of crowned him already

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Why would anyone "strongly dislike" Lance or anyone on the team? I can see not believing in someone, but strongly dislike?

However I do believe, despite how unreasonable it is, there are people here who strongly dislike him.

Three reasons

1. they are insecure and don't want anyone to threaten the guy they like

2. They need to be right and thus have dug in deep

3. They can't stand the people who support Trey similarly to the way they support their guy.

In summary… it's all about them

Worst analysis I've ever seen since I started posting here in 2006.

How about people are upset because we gave up THREE first rounders for someone who is playing like a mid-round pick, is quite likely to be QB3, and has no value in the trade market?

In all honesty, get over the f**king three ones. It's over move on. We still have one of if not the best squads in the NFL. Maybe an OL pick would have been cool but oh well.

We are back on the board with a one next draft. They rolled the dice and knew nothing about Brock. If there was no Brock Trey would be QB1. So the picks were needed to secure what they wanted. What's a bigger blunder? Kyler Murray or Trey Lance? Or any number of chances taken by a team each season.

Worshiping 1st round picks that didn't happen is like worshiping ghosts. Move on.