Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
The out of context narrative is that TL balled out last night with stats to support it... but we see this every year, backup qbs who do well late in preseason games against defensive players who will never got on the field in the regular season... most any backup qb will be successful passing against soft zone prevent coverages at the end of games with 3rd/4th team scrubs... TL's best ball is a fast ball straight down the field, the easiest ball to throw, requires no touch or directional placement and he hit on several of those tonight... compare his tape running Shanny's regular season offense to Brock and Sammy, like night and day it's not even close...

Shanny set up TL last night to succeed with plays that he can run best, not the KS base offense, to lock in QB3 as Brandon Allen didn't even get a chance, and TL sealed that up... KS pitched him a softball last night and I give TL credit for hitting it, took some time though and he tried to screw it up early (pick to a DL on a screen pass, come on LOL). If any QB on this team is not getting a fair chance it's Brandon Allen, I think KS is holding him back because he knows he will put up the tape needed to be QB3 so he is preventing that from happening... KS is trying hard at this point to save face with the TL debacle.

Man I don't think there's a more anti-Trey poster on this board than you, river.

If Trey does bad, it's cause he's trash, but if he does something good it's a wild conspiracy theory that his success had to be artificially manufactured by Kyle and had almost nothing to do with his own abilities.

You sound like an extreme version of Grant Cohn on the other end of the spectrum lol.

Man I was hoping everyone would just ignore his s**tty rant.

Originally posted by 9erson3:
In all honesty, get over the f**king three ones. It's over move on. We still have one of if not the best squads in the NFL. Maybe an OL pick would have been cool but oh well.

We are back on the board with a one next draft. They rolled the dice and knew nothing about Brock. If there was no Brock Trey would be QB1. So the picks were needed to secure what they wanted. What's a bigger blunder? Kyler Murray or Trey Lance? Or any number of chances taken by a team each season.

Worshiping 1st round picks that didn't happen is like worshiping ghosts. Move on.

Indeed. 9ers lost out on a HOF LB because of JJ Stokes. It's the risk you run in the draft.

If we get a Pro Bowler with Mr irrelevent it all balances out.

TREY was good where he at last night, and that's w/the 3rd stringers for the moment.. he's SUPER RAW.. if he's still the future of this team, then B-Rock is the PRESENT !!

Originally posted by 9moon:
TREY was good where he at last night, and that's w/the 3rd stringers for the moment.. he's SUPER RAW.. if he's still the future of this team, then B-Rock is the PRESENT !!

Super Raw and expensive.

Originally posted by 9moon:
TREY was good where he at last night, and that's w/the 3rd stringers for the moment.. he's SUPER RAW.. if he's still the future of this team, then B-Rock is the PRESENT !!

Did you just say B-Rock!!!

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Why would anyone "strongly dislike" Lance or anyone on the team? I can see not believing in someone, but strongly dislike?

However I do believe, despite how unreasonable it is, there are people here who strongly dislike him.

Three reasons

1. they are insecure and don't want anyone to threaten the guy they like

2. They need to be right and thus have dug in deep

3. They can't stand the people who support Trey similarly to the way they support their guy.

In summary… it's all about them

Worst analysis I've ever seen since I started posting here in 2006.

How about people are upset because we gave up THREE first rounders for someone who is playing like a mid-round pick, is quite likely to be QB3, and has no value in the trade market?

Still falls under my summary clause but thanks. You can hate JL and MS but to hate Trey for something he had no control over says… it's about those people and not Trey.

thanks

So in essence you can say Trey Lance can do no wrong and that it's someone else's fault for Trey looking so timid and indecisive?? People were so quick to say for damn sure that they know what we have in Darnold without context. And I don't wanna take anything away from Trey Lance yesterday cause he played great, but add context to that on why he played great.

With your summary would you say you are innocent in your three reasons??

first, I'm not innocent, we are all people with bias. I also am not a supporter of Trey right now. Im rooting for him and hope he develops but he is at risk of getting washed out of the league unless he can learn to play without needing to be a starter.

If you go back a few pages you'll see me saying Trey played well but only against prevent defense at the end of the game and looked not good before that. He's not ready, that's obvious and I'm not an advocate of playing him in hopes that he develops.

Finally I'm speaking to people hating Trey overall and tearing down his success and failures. Just as the same with people hating on Purdys success and failures. Not speaking to the people who are rooting for him but know he's not ready.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
crying over 3 first round picks that are behind us while we still have one of the best rosters in the league is so annoying. would one of those firsts been able to help us beat the eagles last year when we had no qbs left?

If we had used those 1sts to shore up the O-Line, maybe we wouldn't have been on our 4th QB.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Honestly, even people who strongly dislike Lance, should be rooting for him. It's a win/win for everyone - the organization gets an asset with improved value and a better backup. Die hard Trey fans get some confirmation that he really can play in this league etc.

I've alway maintained he could play well in this league, I just think he needs a ton of reps that we can't really afford right now.

even though these are pre season reps. It's just more film of himself that he can study and grow from, more experiences for him to revert back to during his future play. It's all important.

This team could afford it if we didn't have Brock. Their only concern should be developing a franchise QB. Even if it means taking a step back with whoever that is. We aren't gonna beat the AFC in the SB unless we get a guy of our own.

I just posted about this a moment ago but I think Brock is that guy and Lance/Darnold aren't. They're both quality players but i think Brock has the ability to be special and elevate a franchise, like he's already done. So I think we have the best guy as QB1 for the present and future. That's my opinion.

I'd say Purdy looks like a top tier QB so far, but it's still a bit early to know for certain. He has some room to develop though, which is a great sign. He's not reached his ceiling. But on the flip side, I believe both Lance and Darnold have the raw ability to be better than Purdy can ever hope to be. However, unfulfilled potential in the NFL is as common as prospects who never play in a regular season game.

Purdy has a lot he can get better at and that's awesome because all he's done when he's played, Is play at a high level. That's it. His worst games would be career games for Lance/Darnold

so until Brock shows he isn't on track to be an elite qb, I'm a fan.

if he was drafted higher, everyone and their mother would of crowned him already

Well I'm a fan until he is off the team but I think I get what you mean.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 9moon:
TREY was good where he at last night, and that's w/the 3rd stringers for the moment.. he's SUPER RAW.. if he's still the future of this team, then B-Rock is the PRESENT !!

Did you just say B-Rock!!!

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 9moon:
TREY was good where he at last night, and that's w/the 3rd stringers for the moment.. he's SUPER RAW.. if he's still the future of this team, then B-Rock is the PRESENT !!

Did you just say B-Rock!!!

THAT's the nickname I gave him after his 2nd game.. lol .. B-ROCK !!!

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Why would anyone "strongly dislike" Lance or anyone on the team? I can see not believing in someone, but strongly dislike?

However I do believe, despite how unreasonable it is, there are people here who strongly dislike him.

Three reasons

1. they are insecure and don't want anyone to threaten the guy they like

2. They need to be right and thus have dug in deep

3. They can't stand the people who support Trey similarly to the way they support their guy.

In summary… it's all about them

Worst analysis I've ever seen since I started posting here in 2006.

How about people are upset because we gave up THREE first rounders for someone who is playing like a mid-round pick, is quite likely to be QB3, and has no value in the trade market?

Still falls under my summary clause but thanks. You can hate JL and MS but to hate Trey for something he had no control over says… it's about those people and not Trey.

thanks

So in essence you can say Trey Lance can do no wrong and that it's someone else's fault for Trey looking so timid and indecisive?? People were so quick to say for damn sure that they know what we have in Darnold without context. And I don't wanna take anything away from Trey Lance yesterday cause he played great, but add context to that on why he played great.

With your summary would you say you are innocent in your three reasons??

first, I'm not innocent, we are all people with bias. I also am not a supporter of Trey right now. Im rooting for him and hope he develops but he is at risk of getting washed out of the league unless he can learn to play without needing to be a starter.

If you go back a few pages you'll see me saying Trey played well but only against prevent defense at the end of the game and looked not good before that. He's not ready, that's obvious and I'm not an advocate of playing him in hopes that he develops.

Finally I'm speaking to people hating Trey overall and tearing down his success and failures. Just as the same with people hating on Purdys success and failures. Not speaking to the people who are rooting for him but know he's not ready.

The more you try to explain, the less your positions make sense.

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Why would anyone "strongly dislike" Lance or anyone on the team? I can see not believing in someone, but strongly dislike?

However I do believe, despite how unreasonable it is, there are people here who strongly dislike him.

Three reasons

1. they are insecure and don't want anyone to threaten the guy they like

2. They need to be right and thus have dug in deep

3. They can't stand the people who support Trey similarly to the way they support their guy.

In summary… it's all about them

Worst analysis I've ever seen since I started posting here in 2006.

How about people are upset because we gave up THREE first rounders for someone who is playing like a mid-round pick, is quite likely to be QB3, and has no value in the trade market?

Still falls under my summary clause but thanks. You can hate JL and MS but to hate Trey for something he had no control over says… it's about those people and not Trey.

thanks

So in essence you can say Trey Lance can do no wrong and that it's someone else's fault for Trey looking so timid and indecisive?? People were so quick to say for damn sure that they know what we have in Darnold without context. And I don't wanna take anything away from Trey Lance yesterday cause he played great, but add context to that on why he played great.

With your summary would you say you are innocent in your three reasons??

first, I'm not innocent, we are all people with bias. I also am not a supporter of Trey right now. Im rooting for him and hope he develops but he is at risk of getting washed out of the league unless he can learn to play without needing to be a starter.

If you go back a few pages you'll see me saying Trey played well but only against prevent defense at the end of the game and looked not good before that. He's not ready, that's obvious and I'm not an advocate of playing him in hopes that he develops.

Finally I'm speaking to people hating Trey overall and tearing down his success and failures. Just as the same with people hating on Purdys success and failures. Not speaking to the people who are rooting for him but know he's not ready.

Since when does a prevent defense have tight coverage like this? Oh, and there are five men rushing. This is a blitz.


So you believe prevent defense is when the defense blitzes and plays tight coverage. Gotcha.

(see why I say unreasonable, people?)

Originally posted by Shemp:
The more you try to explain, the less your positions make sense.

Let me keep it simple, someone asked why someone would hate Trey… as in root against him.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Why would anyone "strongly dislike" Lance or anyone on the team? I can see not believing in someone, but strongly dislike?

However I do believe, despite how unreasonable it is, there are people here who strongly dislike him.

Three reasons

1. they are insecure and don't want anyone to threaten the guy they like

2. They need to be right and thus have dug in deep

3. They can't stand the people who support Trey similarly to the way they support their guy.

In summary… it's all about them

Worst analysis I've ever seen since I started posting here in 2006.

How about people are upset because we gave up THREE first rounders for someone who is playing like a mid-round pick, is quite likely to be QB3, and has no value in the trade market?

Still falls under my summary clause but thanks. You can hate JL and MS but to hate Trey for something he had no control over says… it's about those people and not Trey.

thanks

So in essence you can say Trey Lance can do no wrong and that it's someone else's fault for Trey looking so timid and indecisive?? People were so quick to say for damn sure that they know what we have in Darnold without context. And I don't wanna take anything away from Trey Lance yesterday cause he played great, but add context to that on why he played great.

With your summary would you say you are innocent in your three reasons??

first, I'm not innocent, we are all people with bias. I also am not a supporter of Trey right now. Im rooting for him and hope he develops but he is at risk of getting washed out of the league unless he can learn to play without needing to be a starter.

If you go back a few pages you'll see me saying Trey played well but only against prevent defense at the end of the game and looked not good before that. He's not ready, that's obvious and I'm not an advocate of playing him in hopes that he develops.

Finally I'm speaking to people hating Trey overall and tearing down his success and failures. Just as the same with people hating on Purdys success and failures. Not speaking to the people who are rooting for him but know he's not ready.

Since when does a prevent defense have tight coverage like this? Oh, and there are five men rushing. This is a blitz.


So you believe prevent defense is when the defense blitzes and plays tight coverage. Gotcha.

(see why I say unreasonable, people?)

Looks like a soft zone to me

They also rushed five on the touchdown, and blitzed the first play of that drive, if I recall correctly.

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Why would anyone "strongly dislike" Lance or anyone on the team? I can see not believing in someone, but strongly dislike?

However I do believe, despite how unreasonable it is, there are people here who strongly dislike him.

Three reasons

1. they are insecure and don't want anyone to threaten the guy they like

2. They need to be right and thus have dug in deep

3. They can't stand the people who support Trey similarly to the way they support their guy.

In summary… it's all about them

Worst analysis I've ever seen since I started posting here in 2006.

How about people are upset because we gave up THREE first rounders for someone who is playing like a mid-round pick, is quite likely to be QB3, and has no value in the trade market?

Still falls under my summary clause but thanks. You can hate JL and MS but to hate Trey for something he had no control over says… it's about those people and not Trey.

thanks

So in essence you can say Trey Lance can do no wrong and that it's someone else's fault for Trey looking so timid and indecisive?? People were so quick to say for damn sure that they know what we have in Darnold without context. And I don't wanna take anything away from Trey Lance yesterday cause he played great, but add context to that on why he played great.

With your summary would you say you are innocent in your three reasons??

first, I'm not innocent, we are all people with bias. I also am not a supporter of Trey right now. Im rooting for him and hope he develops but he is at risk of getting washed out of the league unless he can learn to play without needing to be a starter.

If you go back a few pages you'll see me saying Trey played well but only against prevent defense at the end of the game and looked not good before that. He's not ready, that's obvious and I'm not an advocate of playing him in hopes that he develops.

Finally I'm speaking to people hating Trey overall and tearing down his success and failures. Just as the same with people hating on Purdys success and failures. Not speaking to the people who are rooting for him but know he's not ready.

Since when does a prevent defense have tight coverage like this? Oh, and there are five men rushing. This is a blitz.


So you believe prevent defense is when the defense blitzes and plays tight coverage. Gotcha.

(see why I say unreasonable, people?)

Looks like a soft zone to me

That's not a prevent defense. The defender is literally laying on top of Snead when that ball is caught. They also blitzed. Am I to understand that a zone coverage which leaves five yard passes open but collapses on intermediate routes, which includes blitzes, is a "prevent defense?"

No, it's not. Trey was not throwing into huge open windows like you are trying to insinuate. This wasn't a prevent defense.