Dallas Cowboys QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Shorteous:
Looks like a soft zone to me

It really doesn't matter. It's a ball he threw on time, with precision placement, to a man who was covered tightly. Defender was on him as soon as the route broke inside. It's good execution.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Shorteous:
Looks like a soft zone to me

It really doesn't matter. It's a ball he threw on time, with precision placement, to a man who was covered tightly. Defender was on him as soon as the route broke inside. It's good execution.

Both drives were great execution and exactly what we want from him.

Originally posted by Shorteous:
Both drives were great execution and exactly what we want from him.

Agreed. I give him props for the fortitude to deliver that performance when it looked like things were going sideways for him again. It was nothing but positive to close that game.

Originally posted by Shorteous:
first, I'm not innocent, we are all people with bias. I also am not a supporter of Trey right now. Im rooting for him and hope he develops but he is at risk of getting washed out of the league unless he can learn to play without needing to be a starter.

If you go back a few pages you'll see me saying Trey played well but only against prevent defense at the end of the game and looked not good before that. He's not ready, that's obvious and I'm not an advocate of playing him in hopes that he develops.

Finally I'm speaking to people hating Trey overall and tearing down his success and failures. Just as the same with people hating on Purdys success and failures. Not speaking to the people who are rooting for him but know he's not ready.

In the context of a preseason game, whether or not Denver was in a prevent defense is immaterial. The takeaway from that should be that Lance demonstrated the ability to hit the open receiver when they were open, which is something he struggled with against the Raiders. It's also doesn't matter if the Broncos were playing their 2nd, 3rd or 4th string guys. A 49er receiver was open and Trey saw him and got the ball out on time and in rhythm. I'll certainly take that as a step in the right direction.

Lance still has a long way to go but I am not at all sold on Darnold as the #2. You get the feeling watching him that, yeah, he can manage the game and will make some nice throws, but can he actually WIN? I mean has he helped put up any points at all this season? Maybe one field goal. Have to say it's kind of interesting to watch preseason when there are still actual questions about the roster to be answered. Go Niners!

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Shorteous:
Both drives were great execution and exactly what we want from him.

Agreed. I give him props for the fortitude to deliver that performance when it looked like things were going sideways for him again. It was nothing but positive to close that game.

Absolutely, we all want him to build on that performance next game and continue to improve.

Second to last drive included several blitzes, including a delayed nickle back blitz, and the third play included 8 Broncos players within one yard of the line of scrimmage at the snap sugaring the gaps, but it was a "prevent defense."

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Why would anyone "strongly dislike" Lance or anyone on the team? I can see not believing in someone, but strongly dislike?

However I do believe, despite how unreasonable it is, there are people here who strongly dislike him.

Three reasons

1. they are insecure and don't want anyone to threaten the guy they like

2. They need to be right and thus have dug in deep

3. They can't stand the people who support Trey similarly to the way they support their guy.

In summary… it's all about them

Worst analysis I've ever seen since I started posting here in 2006.

How about people are upset because we gave up THREE first rounders for someone who is playing like a mid-round pick, is quite likely to be QB3, and has no value in the trade market?

Still falls under my summary clause but thanks. You can hate JL and MS but to hate Trey for something he had no control over says… it's about those people and not Trey.

thanks

So in essence you can say Trey Lance can do no wrong and that it's someone else's fault for Trey looking so timid and indecisive?? People were so quick to say for damn sure that they know what we have in Darnold without context. And I don't wanna take anything away from Trey Lance yesterday cause he played great, but add context to that on why he played great.

With your summary would you say you are innocent in your three reasons??

first, I'm not innocent, we are all people with bias. I also am not a supporter of Trey right now. Im rooting for him and hope he develops but he is at risk of getting washed out of the league unless he can learn to play without needing to be a starter.

If you go back a few pages you'll see me saying Trey played well but only against prevent defense at the end of the game and looked not good before that. He's not ready, that's obvious and I'm not an advocate of playing him in hopes that he develops.

Finally I'm speaking to people hating Trey overall and tearing down his success and failures. Just as the same with people hating on Purdys success and failures. Not speaking to the people who are rooting for him but know he's not ready.

Since when does a prevent defense have tight coverage like this? Oh, and there are five men rushing. This is a blitz.


So you believe prevent defense is when the defense blitzes and plays tight coverage. Gotcha.

(see why I say unreasonable, people?)

Looks like a soft zone to me

How on earth do you look at that and think it's zone?

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by Shorteous:
first, I'm not innocent, we are all people with bias. I also am not a supporter of Trey right now. Im rooting for him and hope he develops but he is at risk of getting washed out of the league unless he can learn to play without needing to be a starter.

If you go back a few pages you'll see me saying Trey played well but only against prevent defense at the end of the game and looked not good before that. He's not ready, that's obvious and I'm not an advocate of playing him in hopes that he develops.

Finally I'm speaking to people hating Trey overall and tearing down his success and failures. Just as the same with people hating on Purdys success and failures. Not speaking to the people who are rooting for him but know he's not ready.

In the context of a preseason game, whether or not Denver was in a prevent defense is immaterial. The takeaway from that should be that Lance demonstrated the ability to hit the open receiver when they were open, which is something he struggled with against the Raiders. It's also doesn't matter if the Broncos were playing their 2nd, 3rd or 4th string guys. A 49er receiver was open and Trey saw him and got the ball out on time and in rhythm. I'll certainly take that as a step in the right direction.

Lance still has a long way to go but I am not at all sold on Darnold as the #2. You get the feeling watching him that, yeah, he can manage the game and will make some nice throws, but can he actually WIN? I mean has he helped put up any points at all this season? Maybe one field goal. Have to say it's kind of interesting to watch preseason when there are still actual questions about the roster to be answered. Go Niners!

Correct whether it was. True to the word prevent or just soft cover 4 / 6 zone to keep everything in front is immaterial.

I believe the QB depth chart should be this for the season.

QB1: Brock
QB running scout Team: Trey
Other QB: Sam Darnold

I don't care if he's QB2 or 3 I just want him to get the most season reps possible and that's most likely as Scout team QB against our #1 defense each week.

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by Shorteous:
first, I'm not innocent, we are all people with bias. I also am not a supporter of Trey right now. Im rooting for him and hope he develops but he is at risk of getting washed out of the league unless he can learn to play without needing to be a starter.

If you go back a few pages you'll see me saying Trey played well but only against prevent defense at the end of the game and looked not good before that. He's not ready, that's obvious and I'm not an advocate of playing him in hopes that he develops.

Finally I'm speaking to people hating Trey overall and tearing down his success and failures. Just as the same with people hating on Purdys success and failures. Not speaking to the people who are rooting for him but know he's not ready.

In the context of a preseason game, whether or not Denver was in a prevent defense is immaterial. The takeaway from that should be that Lance demonstrated the ability to hit the open receiver when they were open, which is something he struggled with against the Raiders. It's also doesn't matter if the Broncos were playing their 2nd, 3rd or 4th string guys. A 49er receiver was open and Trey saw him and got the ball out on time and in rhythm. I'll certainly take that as a step in the right direction.

Lance still has a long way to go but I am not at all sold on Darnold as the #2. You get the feeling watching him that, yeah, he can manage the game and will make some nice throws, but can he actually WIN? I mean has he helped put up any points at all this season? Maybe one field goal. Have to say it's kind of interesting to watch preseason when there are still actual questions about the roster to be answered. Go Niners!

Correct whether it was. True to the word prevent or just soft cover 4 / 6 zone to keep everything in front is immaterial.

I believe the QB depth chart should be this for the season.

QB1: Brock
QB running scout Team: Trey
Other QB: Sam Darnold

I don't care if he's QB2 or 3 I just want him to get the most season reps possible and that's most likely as Scout team QB against our #1 defense each week.

That's something I can agree with you on. Trey needs serious reps. Sam maybe not as many. But I'd like Sam to get some reps too at some point during the week. It's not really done but I don't see why it would be impossible to have both of them getting scout team reps.

Originally posted by Shorteous:
Correct whether it was. True to the word prevent or just soft cover 4 / 6 zone to keep everything in front is immaterial.

I believe the QB depth chart should be this for the season.

QB1: Brock
QB running scout Team: Trey
Other QB: Sam Darnold

I don't care if he's QB2 or 3 I just want him to get the most season reps possible and that's most likely as Scout team QB against our #1 defense each week.

Looked like a single high look with off man coverage. 5 man rush.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Shorteous:
Correct whether it was. True to the word prevent or just soft cover 4 / 6 zone to keep everything in front is immaterial.

I believe the QB depth chart should be this for the season.

QB1: Brock
QB running scout Team: Trey
Other QB: Sam Darnold

I don't care if he's QB2 or 3 I just want him to get the most season reps possible and that's most likely as Scout team QB against our #1 defense each week.

Looked like a single high look with off man coverage. 5 man rush.

That's what I see.

Originally posted by thl408:
How on earth do you look at that and think it's zone?

Kyle and Trey abused that safety on the following TD play... though I think there was a bust in coverage as well.

Originally posted by thl408:
That's what I see.

Happy to be wrong about that but my take away during the live game was that the defense was playing to keep things in front of them and eat the clock.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by Shemp:

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Why would anyone "strongly dislike" Lance or anyone on the team? I can see not believing in someone, but strongly dislike?

However I do believe, despite how unreasonable it is, there are people here who strongly dislike him.

Three reasons

1. they are insecure and don't want anyone to threaten the guy they like

2. They need to be right and thus have dug in deep

3. They can't stand the people who support Trey similarly to the way they support their guy.

In summary… it's all about them

Worst analysis I've ever seen since I started posting here in 2006.

How about people are upset because we gave up THREE first rounders for someone who is playing like a mid-round pick, is quite likely to be QB3, and has no value in the trade market?

Still falls under my summary clause but thanks. You can hate JL and MS but to hate Trey for something he had no control over says… it's about those people and not Trey.

thanks

So in essence you can say Trey Lance can do no wrong and that it's someone else's fault for Trey looking so timid and indecisive?? People were so quick to say for damn sure that they know what we have in Darnold without context. And I don't wanna take anything away from Trey Lance yesterday cause he played great, but add context to that on why he played great.

With your summary would you say you are innocent in your three reasons??

first, I'm not innocent, we are all people with bias. I also am not a supporter of Trey right now. Im rooting for him and hope he develops but he is at risk of getting washed out of the league unless he can learn to play without needing to be a starter.

If you go back a few pages you'll see me saying Trey played well but only against prevent defense at the end of the game and looked not good before that. He's not ready, that's obvious and I'm not an advocate of playing him in hopes that he develops.

Finally I'm speaking to people hating Trey overall and tearing down his success and failures. Just as the same with people hating on Purdys success and failures. Not speaking to the people who are rooting for him but know he's not ready.

Since when does a prevent defense have tight coverage like this? Oh, and there are five men rushing. This is a blitz.


So you believe prevent defense is when the defense blitzes and plays tight coverage. Gotcha.

(see why I say unreasonable, people?)

Looks like a soft zone to me

How on earth do you look at that and think it's zone?

Because football.

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The argument over Trey vs Brock will continue until one is traded or leaves. I'm not as down on Trey as many of the posters are but I'm not as thumbs up on Brock as many are either.

As far as I'm concerned, neither has proven they can or can't play. It's just too small of a sample size. If Brock plays like he did last year for an entire year and then does it again in 2024 then I'll feel like we have a real solid QB. Seven games isn't enough to convince me. Same for Trey. Until I've seen enough to know for sure that he can't play in the NFL I'll just wait and see.

I've seen this picture too many times to jump on a band wagon only to get let down. It's been a long time since we've had a QB that's played well 2 or more seasons in a row or even stayed healthy 2 straight seasons.

There's no "Purdy vs Trey" argument.

Brock is QB1 and he'll probably be our FQB.

Trey is only fighting to secure QB2.

Nice projection after 7 starts. We still don't know if he can repeat what he did last year and again the following year. We don't know if he can stay healthy. Those are requirements for a franchise QB. He doesn't have some of the skills that a true franchise QB possesses but he has the mental part down. Let's see if he can keep on overcoming his lack of speed and arm strength. If you look at him objectively he is very similar to JG in physical skills. Even if Jimmy had stayed healthy he wasn't considered a franchise QB. Almost everyone looked at him as somewhere between 12 and 15. Some had him between 15-20. That doesn't mean the team can't win. They just need to keep a lot of good talent around him because he's not going to take over a game with his physical tools. Have a strong defense that will keep the scoring down and they'll always have a chance.

We've been ove rand ove rLance's issues. It really comes down to experience or lack of it. There's no question about his physical skills but his limitations show u in live action. He looked better last night but he still has a long way to go.

The Purdy vs Trey argument will happen if Brock falters thus season or next season and Trey shows improvement. Right now there isn't an argument about which one should start but the team always needs to be looking 2,3 or 4 years down the road.